Cloudiah found this amazingly awful rant — from a prolific manosphere commenter and Spearhead supporter by the name of Jacob Ian Stalk — in the comments section to a piece on feminism in The Tab Oxford, a student paper. She posted it in the comments here on Man Boobz, where it’s already generated a good deal of discussion (see comments here, here, here, and here for starters). But I thought it deserved a post of its own.
So without further ado, I present Jacob Ian Stalk’s “12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists.”
Equality is equality. Feminism is about the unbridled pursuit of power for women. Got that?
Uh, no, actually, because it’s not true, but please continue.
The age of feminism is over, thankfully. The comments here that support feminism are from the rats that refuse to leave the sinking ship, thinking there’s sustenance still to be found there somewhere. Sorry to disappoint, but there is nothing nutritious left.
So the ship is sinking at the very moment it’s run out of food that rats can eat. That’s quite a coincidence! Or is it sinking because it ran out of food? Were the dudes on the ship using rat food to plug holes in the hull?
Men the world over are waking up to the damage wrought by rampant feminism and they’re shocked to realise it all happened while they were asleep. Well, they’re asleep no more. Bleat all you like about feminism being about this or that, but the truth of it’s evil is written all over the once noble institutions of the world and the wishful bleatings of solipsistic girl-children can’t erase it. It is done. The cailphate is establishing its power base once more and Sharia law is spreading.
Huh? Because of feminism? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Feminists have destroyed the family and have eschewed child-bearing in favour of credentialism and the illusion of success, killing their unborn children and robbing men of their will to be fathers and husbands. The laugh is on you, Western feminists, as Western birth rates have at last fallen below their replenishment rate and the Muslims are laughing all the way to the maternity wards.
Oh, dear, you got some racism in your misogyny. Two terrible tastes that taste worse together!
The best you can hope for, Western women, is to abandon feminism entirely. Abandon that idiotic notion of ‘equality’, as it will never happen. All it has earned you is the disrespect of men and an increasing number of women the world over. Feminism doesn’t make you strong. It doesn’t make you powerful. It doesn’t make you free. And it sure as hell doesn’t make you equal. It just makes you despicable.
Wait, weren’t you just complaining that feminism is about female supremacy? Now you’re admitting that it’s actually about equality – and you’re preaching male supremacy in its place?
Abandon feminism. Here’s a 12-step program for recovering feminists. There are others.
Ok, here we go.
1. Don’t be narcissistic. Never think you’re more important than men or children. Marketing departments delight in exploiting the feminist fallacy that you are. They promote ‘women’s only’ this and that, and women have bought into it. This appears sexist but it is really a marketing ploy that works because most women are narcissistic. Companies know they can charge more for goods and services by using the words ‘women only’. Narcissistic women are easily exploitable women. Be neither.
Huh. Isn’t the Men’s Rights Movement all about exploiting the narcissism of men who think they’re more important than women? (And children – at least in the case of the MRAs who whine endlessly about how unfair it is they can’t financially abandon their kids.)
2. Don’t let others make choices for you. This should be self-evident but for most of your life you’ve allowed yourself to be told what to wear, what to buy, what to eat, how to dress, where to go, how to think – in clubs, gyms, magazines, websites, books, stores and by TV talk show hosts. You’ve ‘needed’ a step-by-step guide through life, which you’ve followed with your sisters like sheep. Companies have exploited this need. Behave like a sheep if you must but obey the sheepdog, not the wolf. Better yet, be a woman who can think for herself.
… so long as “thinking for yourself” means “thinking you’re inferior to men and generally thinking the way men who hate women want you to.”
3. Get rid of the self-induced schizophrenia. Don’t insist you’re strong, confident, capable and independent one minute, then weak, frightened and vulnerable the next, especially when you’ve been caught doing something wrong. Don’t chop and change whenever it suits you – learn about who you are and be true. Admit when you’ve done something wrong. Don’t suddenly remember that you suffered abuse in the past or have some kind of mental illness or other instability, then use it to get yourself off. If you never sought help for these problems before you were caught, don’t use them as an excuse afterwards. Accept responsibility for yourself.
And for everything bad that men do as well, as manospherians repeatedly insist. If men are violent, it’s because women (allegedly) like dating violent men. If men brutalize the women in their life, it’s because the women provoke them. If a man arms himself with high-powered weapons and massacres children, his mom is to the real villain. For manospherians and MRAs generally, “responsiblity” means “a woman is always to blame.”
4. Don’t let the law take responsibility for crimes women commit. Speak out against women routinely receiving shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. If the law punishes women as it does children, treat them like children and encourage others to do so too. Don’t call these women ‘victims’ and say “they’ve suffered enough” because they’re women. Believe in, and stand up for, equal justice on the basis of gender.
Women do tend to receive shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. But this isn’t the fault of feminism. Indeed, female judges are slightly more likely to give women harsher sentence than male judges, possibly reflecting paternalistic attitudes on the part of male judges.
5. Don’t believe everything women and feminised men in the media tell you. Many serve up slop by the bucket – celebrity gossip, slimming tips, sex tips, man-shaming tips, rape and abuse lies, etc. TV shows like Oprah and Dr Phil are filled with advice on how women can transform themselves into victims and blame everything on men, while constantly ridiculing them. Partake of more nutritious fare than this. Get your infotainment from equitable programs. Be aware of the cultural status quo from both perspectives.
I have no idea what Jacob here would consider an “equitable” program, but, really, no one of any gender should be getting life advice from Dr. Phil.
6. Don’t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public. Don’t pretend that all women are your best friends when everyone knows nothing could be further from the truth. Openly acknowledge the reality that women despise each other unless there’s personal advantage in not doing so. Most good men can see through these attempts at deception, so lies won’t travel far. Don’t be a liar, especially not an obvious one.
I have no idea what the fuck he’s going on about here. “Don’t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public??” Do women who hate each other march around Jacob’s neighborhood arm-in-arm, pretending to be BFFs and singing the Lady Internationale? (“Arise, you prisoners of menstruation … .“)
7. Don’t seek equality with men. Masculinity and femininity are inherently different. They are neither equals nor opposites, but different parts of the sexual continuum that can’t be defined from each other. Actively separate masculinity from femininity, and separate both from the sexual politics that keep them in healthy tension. Don’t claim women can do anything men can do until you start producing your own sperm.
Um, what? Is Kate Bush not a brilliant musician because she doesn’t have balls? Is Joan Didion not a brilliant writer because she can’t jizz into a sock?
Not every sperm producer is sacred.
8. Don’t demonize male sexuality or the male sex. Both sexes can be evil, both can be virtuous. Empathy, wisdom, grace, mercy, compassion and love are all as masculine as they are feminine. Don’t invaginate our boys by shaming or medicating the masculinity out of them before it matures and don’t impregnate them with the corrosive lie that being a woman is like being a man only better. Male sexuality is a pearl to be cultured. Suffuse your sons egos with promise if you want your daughters to have good men to love.
Uh, “invaginate?” Invaginate means to “be turned inside out or folded back on itself to form a cavity or pouch.” I’m pretty sure that teaching boys not to rape their dates does not in any way, literally or figuratively, turn them into a pouch.
9. Respect the sanctuaries of men. Men are judged much more harshly than women so they need their safe retreat. They don’t have the same opportunities for emotional support as women so they need a place where they can express themselves free of judgment and ridicule. This place must be respected. Take care if you venture there as your feminine narcissism is the enemy. Don’t draw attention to yourself and don’t expect protection if you do. If you must speak don’t attempt to control the dialogue or steer it towards you. Don’t censor language to suit your sensitivities. Male sanctuary is sacred – treat it as you would a cathedral.
Dudes, if you want to start your own little clubhouses where you can call women “cunts” in peace and quiet, go ahead and do it. Just don’t pretend they’re about anything more than misogyny. And if you put these allegedly sacred sanctuaries on the internet, don’t be surprised if some people take offence. Oh, and don’t claim that, say, video games, or STEM fields, or atheism, or whatever male-heavy thing you’re into, is a “male sanctuary” that need to be protected from evil girl germs.
Some male spaces can be totally awesome:
Others, not so awesome.
10. Don’t use shaming tactics. Don’t accuse men of having anger management issues when they’re angry at injustice. Don’t accuse them of being a threat when they call you out for being a bigot or a tyrant. Don’t accuse them of having a fear of commitment when they’re merely making a choice between bravery and stupidity. Don’t assess the merit of their arguments on the basis of their attractiveness to you. Don’t attribute their views about women to past disappointments when it is merely an objective assessment of your sex. Shaming tactics are remnants of childhood so leave them in the nursery if you want to be taken seriously.
I think this one just broke the irony meter. It’s not like manosphere dudes ever use shaming language aimed at anyone.
A word of warning here. The next paragraph is the worst one in the whole manifesto, and, honestly, one of the worst things I’ve run across in my more than two years of doing this blog. TRIGGER WARNING for rape apologia.
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11. Be honest about sexual harassment. If you assert that you have the right to dress as you please and that men should be able to control their sexuality, honour their right to be shielded from yours. If you don’t want men to control themselves but instead want to control their loss of control for your own enjoyment, be prepared for the consequences when things go awry. If ‘harassment’ – the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape – magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you don’t really want men to control themselves. Don’t expect men to know when it’s right to ‘harass’ you and when it’s not. Don’t treat Man one minute as an exciting and courageous hero and the next a monster intent on tyranny and abuse if you’re inconsistent in your sexual intentions and desires.
Woah. Let’s take another look at that especially terrible comment in the middle of that mess:
If ‘harassment’ – the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape – magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you don’t really want men to control themselves.
I’ve got no jokes for this one. You honestly think that RAPE can be “the foundation of a passionate new romance?” What the fuck is wrong with you?
12. Speak out against misandry. The main reason for its proliferation is that women have remained silent. Silence in the face of injustice is cowardly. It has allowed loud, obnoxious women to preach hatred with impunity, which has reflected badly on all women. When you speak out against misandry you do all women a favour. Don’t be a misandrist, don’t be a coward and don’t be silent.
At this point, I really don’t think I need to bother to point out the hypocrisy here.
“I think this one just broke the irony meter. It’s not like manosphere dudes ever use shaming language aimed at anyone.”
Tu quoque /tuːˈkwoʊkwiː/,[1] (Latin for “you, too” or “you, also”) or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent’s position by asserting the opponent’s failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone’s point of view based on criticism of the person’s inconsistency and not the position presented[2] whereas a person’s inconsistency should not discredit the position. Thus, it is a form of the ad hominem argument.[3]
Wow, this guy is a real piece of garbage. The rape justification is chilling. He needs to be removed from society before he hurts someone.
How about……individuals are individuals…regardless of sex…and we should stop treating either misogyny or misandry as either fictional or covers-all practices? Jesus Christ.
Ugh, “egalitarians”
And a horse is a horse, of course, of course, but neither of these tautologies is terribly useful when you’re experiencing misogyny.
What a completely original and wise comment. Why, I’ve never heard of that before! Who knew that all this time if I just stuck my fingers in my ears and “la la la can’t hear you!” loudly enough all the entrenched power or privileged groups would just poof be gone and we could all be equal!?
Thank you Matt for showing us that such a utopia is possible. You are a true visionary.
Oh, Matt. Bless your heart, honey.
I think both sides are equally wrong and equally ignorant. I dont really get the sense that either side of the argument is superior to the other. I think both are sexist towards eachother. As for the mra or whatever the term is, i think he brings up some fairly good points in hos ranting. And i think the feminist kind of proves some of thoe points with her equally irational ranting. But in the endit seems both parties are missing the bigger picture and are both just really ignorant of their own idiocracies and imperfections. I dont really see the feminist as being particularly right about anything. She just defends her side of the argument by insulting this guy and gloating in how ‘right’she thinks she is. But i see no facts being presented. At least the mysoginistic dude has some facts to back him up. I think if he didnt sound so racist and mysoginistic he could of had a better argument but it seems thay his side of the debate stems from hate rather than logic just like the feminist side seems to stem from a defensive standpoint. I mean why make an ARTICLE based on a stupid comment? Why does a comment bother her so much. Its very likely that this comment is probably not even around anymore but this article will be around for a while. Obviously her ego was bruised by this stupid comment and she felt compelled to right a whole fucking article about it to feel better. And all she accomplished was mocking the man. She didnt give him a chance to expand on his ideas she just argued with his comment which im not saying was, but could of been taken out of context. Maybe if this guy had wrote an article of his own or a book or did an interview i would understand. But hes just a shmuck who got online and typed a comment she didnt agree with. His views do not reflect those of all men but she made it seem like it does just cuz her feelings were hurt. Fuck your feelings. You proved like fifty percent of what he said right and you can only blame yourself for that. Peace
I also noticed that some of your replies are based off misunderstanding what he wrote. Like the whole rape thing. Of course hes not saying that rape can be the foundation of romance. Hes saying that some women will call certain things harassment until it happens to them. Hes not condoning rape. But you misunderstood that and used it as a way to bully and mock him and say ‘hes condoning rape, everyone lets get him! ‘ … Thats what he means by narcissistic. So before you bash someone at least read their comments the right fucking way without bashing them
Jdot, what are you even talking about? Who is the “she” you keep mentioning?
I think he’s referring to me.
Yup. I suspect that jdot presumes that anyone writing such nasty, nasty, mean and horrible things about the calm, rational and oh so sensible views of A Man — has to be one of those weak and foolish woman not-quite-people thingummies.
Oh good. I’m not the only one scratching my head wondering what the hell he is talking about.
Talk about a nonsequitur there, Jdot.
Pro tip: “Fuck your feelings” and “Peace” do not go together.
Fuck your wall-o-text, and no peace to you.
jdot:
>Necros old thread from 2013.
>Misgenders the author (who is easily visible at the top of the page had zie bothered to look) so zie can feel better about whining that David didn’t like what this asshole had to say.
>Complains about David making an article on the comment, and opening it up to discussion without including the person who made them in the first place, insisting that the guy who said that women should bow down to the whims and desires of men (and who jdot admits sounds racist and misogynistic) had somehow backed up his comment with “facts”.
Troll harder. 1/10.
Y’know what? I’m just bored enough to chew on this. Hope you’re hungry, trollface.
Sexism isn’t just “someone said something mean about men that hurt my fee-fees”, sexism is institutionalized. That means that there is a system in place that everyone contributes to in some way (and I mean everyone) that’s meant to keep one specific gender down. And the gender that usually gets the short end of the stick is female. (Trans people and non-binary people do have a whole slough of their own problems as well.)
“Now, neither of you are right, but obviously the man is right and brings up good points that I agree with and “the feminist” obviously proves because I didn’t agree with anything “she” had to say.”
Protip: Reading about the author is a good place to start getting an idea about what kind of person they are. David is, as far as anyone’s concerned, a dude (but he’s also a business of ferrets in a David suit).
What kind of “facts” do you think David should have presented? What kind of facts did the original commenter present? Please point them out, because my obviously feeble feminist lady brain didn’t spot any facts on behalf of the commenter. [/sarcasm]
All I saw in the original commenter’s quotes was fear-mongering and woman-hating.
Unless by “facts”, you mean “things I agree with and don’t want anyone to question ever”.
Wait, wait, wait.
So you think he’s racist and misogynistic and his “side of the debate” (It’s not a fucking debate, but okay) stems from hate, but you think he presents some “good points”?
Someone didn’t read the header. This is a site to track and mock misogyny. Get comfy.
Days since someone didn’t read what the site was for: 0
Last I checked, David does have a right to comment on what he likes, because this is, y’know, his blog.
And I don’t think I’d want to hear any “expanding” from this asshole. It seems like he’s explained himself enough so that anyone who reads this could see he hates women (especially feminist women).
#NotAllMen
But all feminists are women, and all women are just butthurt about this comment!
Yes, how dare David have feelings about things! How dare us feeble minded feeemales have feelings about people saying we’re stupid and should bow down to the whims of the nearest male who looks at us!
It’s obviously David’s fault! [/sarcasm]
Here we go again. “You obviously didn’t read it right!”
Okay, let’s review:
I bolded the important bits.
The law does not magically change when you – or anyone else – thinks it’s convenient.
Harassment is harassment.
Yes he is. He just put ‘harassment’ in fucking scare quotes. He put rape in the same category as “stares, sexual innuendos” and “sly touches”.
Yeah, obviously we misunderstood that the man who hates women thinks that rape is on the same level as staring at someone lewdly or making inappropriate comments.
Go sit on a cactus. Go do a Lego firewalk. And may you never be able to find your left shoe.
No, he means “women thinking they’re deserving of respect and equality to men” is narcissistic.
So before you get your boxers in a bunch because David doesn’t like the idea of some asshole demanding that women stop being feminists and just submit to his (and the rest of men’s) whims, why don’t you fucking read who the author is and what the site’s for.
Peace.
Yeah, I figured he was referring to David, I just wanted to hear him say it. Sometimes it’s fun to see how much stupid shit you can get them to say.
@Paradoxical Intention
I never want to get on your bad side. D:
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@Paradoxical Intention
I really need to watch that movie. Maleficent it totally one of my favorite Disney characters, and has been since I first saw Sleeping Beauty when I was a wee babby. (Villains always seem much more interesting.) I’m excited she got a movie all to herself. Kinda sad she wasn’t green, though.
It was amazing.
And MRAs cried about how it failed a “reverse Bechdel test”.
So doubly so.
@Paradoxical Intention
“Reverse Bechdel test”? What is that? How does a movie fail? When a movie doesn’t revolve around someone with a dick for at least 98% of a movie?
Reverse Bechdel test: Does the movie have at least two named male characters who at some point talk to each other about something other than women? Very few movies fail this,
@ Dvarghundspossen
That’s *exactly* how Maleficent failed the reverse Bechdel Test, I’ve heard.
@Dvärghundspossen
You mean, like, EVERY movie that has two or more male characters in it? My eye muscles have sprained from rolling them too hard. I don’t even think the quintessential “chick flick” has two guys always talking about just women.
I wonder when they’ll pick up on the racial version of the Bechdel test and reverse that? I’m sure they’ll be all up in arms about the one whole movie in the history of American cinema* that doesn’t have two white characters not talking about a non-white character.
*Because I doubt anyone who takes any of these test seriously wouldn’t watch any foreign films.