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Feminists! Give up your misandry, accept that women are inferior, and oh, this MRA rant gets worse. Much worse.

Whatever this kid is saying is guaranteed to be smarter and less offensive than Jacob Ian Stalk's horrific rant
Whatever this kid is saying is guaranteed to be smarter and less offensive than Jacob Ian Stalk’s horrific rant

Cloudiah found this amazingly awful rant — from a prolific manosphere commenter and Spearhead supporter by the name of Jacob Ian Stalk — in the comments section to a piece on feminism in The Tab Oxford, a student paper. She posted it in the comments here on Man Boobz, where itโ€™s already generated a good deal of discussion (see comments here, here, here, and here for starters). But I thought it deserved a post of its own.

So without further ado, I present Jacob Ian Stalkโ€™s โ€œ12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists.โ€

Equality is equality. Feminism is about the unbridled pursuit of power for women. Got that?

Uh, no, actually, because itโ€™s not true, but please continue.

The age of feminism is over, thankfully. The comments here that support feminism are from the rats that refuse to leave the sinking ship, thinking thereโ€™s sustenance still to be found there somewhere. Sorry to disappoint, but there is nothing nutritious left.

So the ship is sinking at the very moment itโ€™s run out of food that rats can eat. Thatโ€™s quite a coincidence! Or is it sinking because it ran out of food? Were the dudes on the ship using rat food to plug holes in the hull?

Men the world over are waking up to the damage wrought by rampant feminism and theyโ€™re shocked to realise it all happened while they were asleep. Well, theyโ€™re asleep no more. Bleat all you like about feminism being about this or that, but the truth of itโ€™s evil is written all over the once noble institutions of the world and the wishful bleatings of solipsistic girl-children canโ€™t erase it. It is done. The cailphate is establishing its power base once more and Sharia law is spreading.

Huh? Because of feminism? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Feminists have destroyed the family and have eschewed child-bearing in favour of credentialism and the illusion of success, killing their unborn children and robbing men of their will to be fathers and husbands. The laugh is on you, Western feminists, as Western birth rates have at last fallen below their replenishment rate and the Muslims are laughing all the way to the maternity wards.

Oh, dear, you got some racism in your misogyny. Two terrible tastes that taste worse together!

The best you can hope for, Western women, is to abandon feminism entirely. Abandon that idiotic notion of โ€˜equalityโ€™, as it will never happen. ย All it has earned you is the disrespect of men and an increasing number of women the world over. Feminism doesnโ€™t make you strong. It doesnโ€™t make you powerful. It doesnโ€™t make you free. And it sure as hell doesnโ€™t make you equal. It just makes you despicable.

Wait, werenโ€™t you just complaining that feminism is about female supremacy? Now youโ€™re admitting that itโ€™s actually about equality โ€“ and youโ€™re preaching male supremacy in its place?

Abandon feminism. Hereโ€™s a 12-step program for recovering feminists. There are others.

Ok, here we go.

1. Donโ€™t be narcissistic. Never think youโ€™re more important than men or children. Marketing departments delight in exploiting the feminist fallacy that you are. They promote โ€˜womenโ€™s onlyโ€™ this and that, and women have bought into it. This appears sexist but it is really a marketing ploy that works because most women are narcissistic. Companies know they can charge more for goods and services by using the words โ€˜women onlyโ€™. Narcissistic women are easily exploitable women. Be neither.

Huh. Isnโ€™t the Menโ€™s Rights Movement all about exploiting the narcissism of men who think theyโ€™re more important than women? (And children โ€“ at least in the case of the MRAs who whine endlessly about how unfair it is they canโ€™t financially abandon their kids.)

2. Donโ€™t let others make choices for you. This should be self-evident but for most of your life youโ€™ve allowed yourself to be told what to wear, what to buy, what to eat, how to dress, where to go, how to think โ€“ in clubs, gyms, magazines, websites, books, stores and by TV talk show hosts. Youโ€™ve โ€˜neededโ€™ a step-by-step guide through life, which youโ€™ve followed with your sisters like sheep. Companies have exploited this need. Behave like a sheep if you must but obey the sheepdog, not the wolf. Better yet, be a woman who can think for herself.

โ€ฆ so long as โ€œthinking for yourselfโ€ means โ€œthinking youโ€™re inferior to men and generally thinking the way men who hate women want you to.โ€

3. Get rid of the self-induced schizophrenia. Donโ€™t insist youโ€™re strong, confident, capable and independent one minute, then weak, frightened and vulnerable the next, especially when youโ€™ve been caught doing something wrong. Donโ€™t chop and change whenever it suits you โ€“ learn about who you are and be true. Admit when youโ€™ve done something wrong. Donโ€™t suddenly remember that you suffered abuse in the past or have some kind of mental illness or other instability, then use it to get yourself off. If you never sought help for these problems before you were caught, donโ€™t use them as an excuse afterwards. Accept responsibility for yourself.

And for everything bad that men do as well, as manospherians repeatedly insist. If men are violent, itโ€™s because women (allegedly) like dating violent men. If men brutalize the women in their life, itโ€™s because the women provoke them. If a man arms himself with high-powered weapons and massacres children, his mom is to the real villain. For manospherians and MRAs generally, “responsiblity” means “a woman is always to blame.”

4. Donโ€™t let the law take responsibility for crimes women commit. Speak out against women routinely receiving shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. If the law punishes women as it does children, treat them like children and encourage others to do so too. Donโ€™t call these women โ€˜victimsโ€™ and say โ€œtheyโ€™ve suffered enoughโ€ because theyโ€™re women. Believe in, and stand up for, equal justice on the basis of gender.

Women do tend to receive shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. But this isnโ€™t the fault of feminism. Indeed, female judges are slightly more likely to give women harsher sentence than male judges, possibly reflecting paternalistic attitudes on the part of male judges.

5. Donโ€™t believe everything women and feminised men in the media tell you. Many serve up slop by the bucket โ€“ celebrity gossip, slimming tips, sex tips, man-shaming tips, rape and abuse lies, etc. TV shows like Oprah and Dr Phil are filled with advice on how women can transform themselves into victims and blame everything on men, while constantly ridiculing them. Partake of more nutritious fare than this. Get your infotainment from equitable programs. Be aware of the cultural status quo from both perspectives.

I have no idea what Jacob here would consider an โ€œequitableโ€ program, but, really, no one of any gender should be getting life advice from Dr. Phil.

6. Donโ€™t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public. Donโ€™t pretend that all women are your best friends when everyone knows nothing could be further from the truth. Openly acknowledge the reality that women despise each other unless thereโ€™s personal advantage in not doing so. Most good men can see through these attempts at deception, so lies wonโ€™t travel far. Donโ€™t be a liar, especially not an obvious one.

I have no idea what the fuck heโ€™s going on about here. โ€œDonโ€™t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public??โ€ Do women who hate each other march around Jacobโ€™s neighborhood arm-in-arm, pretending to be BFFs and singing the Lady Internationale? (โ€œArise, you prisoners of menstruation โ€ฆ ย .โ€œ)

7. Donโ€™t seek equality with men. Masculinity and femininity are inherently different. They are neither equals nor opposites, but different parts of the sexual continuum that canโ€™t be defined from each other. Actively separate masculinity from femininity, and separate both from the sexual politics that keep them in healthy tension. Donโ€™t claim women can do anything men can do until you start producing your own sperm.

Um, what? Is Kate Bush not a brilliant musician because she doesnโ€™t have balls? Is Joan Didion not a brilliant writer because she canโ€™t jizz into a sock?

Not every sperm producer is sacred.

8. Donโ€™t demonize male sexuality or the male sex. Both sexes can be evil, both can be virtuous. Empathy, wisdom, grace, mercy, compassion and love are all as masculine as they are feminine. Donโ€™t invaginate our boys by shaming or medicating the masculinity out of them before it matures and donโ€™t impregnate them with the corrosive lie that being a woman is like being a man only better. Male sexuality is a pearl to be cultured. Suffuse your sons egos with promise if you want your daughters to have good men to love.

Uh, โ€œinvaginate?โ€ Invaginate means to โ€œbe turned inside out or folded back on itself to form a cavity or pouch.โ€ Iโ€™m pretty sure that teaching boys not to rape their dates does not in any way, literally or figuratively, turn them into a pouch.

9. Respect the sanctuaries of men. Men are judged much more harshly than women so they need their safe retreat. They donโ€™t have the same opportunities for emotional support as women so they need a place where they can express themselves free of judgment and ridicule. This place must be respected. Take care if you venture there as your feminine narcissism is the enemy. Donโ€™t draw attention to yourself and donโ€™t expect protection if you do. If you must speak donโ€™t attempt to control the dialogue or steer it towards you. Donโ€™t censor language to suit your sensitivities. Male sanctuary is sacred โ€“ treat it as you would a cathedral.

Dudes, if you want to start your own little clubhouses where you can call women โ€œcuntsโ€ in peace and quiet, go ahead and do it. Just donโ€™t pretend theyโ€™re about anything more than misogyny. And if you put these allegedly sacred sanctuaries on the internet, donโ€™t be surprised if some people take offence. Oh, and donโ€™t claim that, say, video games, or STEM fields, or atheism, or whatever male-heavy thing you’re into, is a โ€œmale sanctuaryโ€ that need to be protected from evil girl germs.

Some male spaces can be totally awesome:

Others, not so awesome.

10. Donโ€™t use shaming tactics. Donโ€™t accuse men of having anger management issues when theyโ€™re angry at injustice. Donโ€™t accuse them of being a threat when they call you out for being a bigot or a tyrant. Donโ€™t accuse them of having a fear of commitment when theyโ€™re merely making a choice between bravery and stupidity. Donโ€™t assess the merit of their arguments on the basis of their attractiveness to you. Donโ€™t attribute their views about women to past disappointments when it is merely an objective assessment of your sex. Shaming tactics are remnants of childhood so leave them in the nursery if you want to be taken seriously.

I think this one just broke the irony meter. Itโ€™s not like manosphere dudes ever use shaming language aimed at anyone.

A word of warning here. The next paragraph is the worst one in the whole manifesto, and, honestly, one of the worst things I’ve run across in my more than two years of doing this blog. TRIGGER WARNING for rape apologia.

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11. Be honest about sexual harassment. If you assert that you have the right to dress as you please and that men should be able to control their sexuality, honour their right to be shielded from yours. If you donโ€™t want men to control themselves but instead want to control their loss of control for your own enjoyment, be prepared for the consequences when things go awry. If โ€˜harassmentโ€™ โ€“ the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape โ€“ magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you donโ€™t really want men to control themselves. Donโ€™t expect men to know when itโ€™s right to โ€˜harassโ€™ you and when itโ€™s not. Donโ€™t treat Man one minute as an exciting and courageous hero and the next a monster intent on tyranny and abuse if youโ€™re inconsistent in your sexual intentions and desires.

Woah. Letโ€™s take another look at that especially terrible comment in the middle of that mess:

If โ€˜harassmentโ€™ โ€“ the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape โ€“ magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you donโ€™t really want men to control themselves.

Iโ€™ve got no jokes for this one. You honestly think that RAPE can be โ€œthe foundation of a passionate new romance?โ€ What the fuck is wrong with you?

12. Speak out against misandry. The main reason for its proliferation is that women have remained silent. Silence in the face of injustice is cowardly. It has allowed loud, obnoxious women to preach hatred with impunity, which has reflected badly on all women. When you speak out against misandry you do all women a favour. Donโ€™t be a misandrist, donโ€™t be a coward and donโ€™t be silent.

At this point, I really donโ€™t think I need to bother to point out the hypocrisy here.

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hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Kittehs: I believe that’s She-Hulk.

kittehserf
11 years ago

hellkell – oh, cool! ๐Ÿ™‚

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

But what about the barrel?

You mean the small container?

neuroticbeagle
neuroticbeagle
11 years ago

@kittehs
It’s the best image I got when I typed “feminist hulk” into pinterest search.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

This is angry? Cuz I thought y’all were some combo of bored and amused and such.

And yeah, that flounce is a 2, tops.

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

So random question. If you find trolls to be amusing and enjoy interacting with them on a certain level, does that mean that you’re playing into their hands, or that they’re playing into yours? I can never tell. On the one hand, you’re providing sustenance to whatever thought cancer drives them on, but on the other, they’re really funny… what? I just like to laugh at people sometimes. Also, lurkers read what’s written and, regardless of the intent of the troll, are informed by the discourse, even if one half of that discourse is utterly vapid.

(And since when were “troll” and “capable of blatantly copying and pasting academic articles” mutually exclusive?)
(And, for bonus points, why does coming here seem like a good way to deal with being unable to sleep?)

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Athywren: I can’t speak for others, but I like poking them until they burst.

I’m not overly concerned with what lurkers may or may not take away from the discourse.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Athywren – sometimes I can’t be bothered with trolls (mostly, these days) but mocking/tearing ’em to bits seems a better idea than ignoring them, in many ways. They’re not going to stop being misogynistic fuckshites whether we respond or not, so like you said – better for lurkers to read what we have to say, and for us to point and laugh at them, or tell them just how foul they are, whichever is appropriate. (Sometimes both, as in “penguin whores” and rape advocate Tommyboy.)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Me? I have a case of XKCD Duty Calls. They are wrong, therefore I will tell them how wrong they are.

Of course, it really is a duty in a way, as this is how I got inducted into Sir Pecunium’s Royal Assassins.

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Wow, if trolls have such thin skins to think that “bored amusement” is equal to anger, what would they call actual anger?

Alice Sanguinaria
11 years ago

Argenti – xkcd’s Duty Calls is my life’s motto on the Internet. ๐Ÿ˜›

CassandraSays
11 years ago

Some trolls are hilarious and others are a bore. As long as anyone is finding them amusing then I say feed away.

thebewilderness
11 years ago

Most trolls don’t just want the attention, they want people to engage with them.
Mocking without engaging seems to be the most effective response.

kittehserf
11 years ago

I like hellkell’s image of poking them until they burst. Where’s a webcam when you need one?

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

I don’t think it would be terrible if there was no serious communication to give lurkers anything informative, but where there’s the opportunity, it’s always worth putting it out there. Plus the joy of the XKCD Duty… it’s better than cake.
Anyways, Tired has made his return to my brain weasels, so g’night again.

kittehserf
11 years ago

Niters! ๐Ÿ™‚

Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
11 years ago

Troll: If you give me a response, I win!

Everyone: Here’s our response, asspain

Troll: …So why don’t I feel like a winner?

neuroticbeagle
neuroticbeagle
11 years ago

@Kittehs
I like the first picture you found best.

CassandraSays
11 years ago

So why donโ€™t I feel like a winner?

Story of their lives, really.

toujoursgai
11 years ago

I know the thread has moved on, but the story about English being lacking because we only have one word for blue is cracking me up.

If only we could distinguish between different kinds of blue!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shades_of_blue

pecunium
11 years ago

followtable: I would prefer you attempted to be reasonable and respectful. I would do the same for you.

You’ve not been reasonable. Don’t pretend that being an asshole who avoids “bad” language = being reasonable you weaselly little fuck.

And, I like to feed trolls. You’ve come to a place that knows how.

So put on your bib, and get ready to tuck in. We’re about to have a blueberry pie eating contest.

pecunium
11 years ago

Regarding blue: Yeah, russian has two color values where we have one (because the idea behind goluboi, and sinie are fundamentally different), but the conclusions being drawn from them (at present) are weak, and often being used as a stalking horse to defend the Chomskian ideas of, “deep grammar”.

Given that Whorf was expanding on Sapir, and Sapir had some methodological problems (to be very forgiving), the write up of a paper based on those factors is, from a probative standpoint more than a little suspect.

Anyone who would use it, without expanding on the material, loses pretty much all credibility with me, because they are either too stupid/ill informed on the issues to be credible, or have an agenda they choose to hide, and hope the use of a masking article will hide the fact the palmed cards and so grant a cachet of respectability to a position which is far from settled in the discipline of linguistics.

(was that “rational” enough for you to accept as being free of ad hom, you ignorant little fuck-faced twit?)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

The pie eating contest!

And Mr. Rational won’t even have to pay to get in ๐Ÿ™‚