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Feminists! Give up your misandry, accept that women are inferior, and oh, this MRA rant gets worse. Much worse.

Whatever this kid is saying is guaranteed to be smarter and less offensive than Jacob Ian Stalk's horrific rant
Whatever this kid is saying is guaranteed to be smarter and less offensive than Jacob Ian Stalk’s horrific rant

Cloudiah found this amazingly awful rant — from a prolific manosphere commenter and Spearhead supporter by the name of Jacob Ian Stalk — in the comments section to a piece on feminism in The Tab Oxford, a student paper. She posted it in the comments here on Man Boobz, where it’s already generated a good deal of discussion (see comments here, here, here, and here for starters). But I thought it deserved a post of its own.

So without further ado, I present Jacob Ian Stalk’s “12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists.”

Equality is equality. Feminism is about the unbridled pursuit of power for women. Got that?

Uh, no, actually, because it’s not true, but please continue.

The age of feminism is over, thankfully. The comments here that support feminism are from the rats that refuse to leave the sinking ship, thinking there’s sustenance still to be found there somewhere. Sorry to disappoint, but there is nothing nutritious left.

So the ship is sinking at the very moment it’s run out of food that rats can eat. That’s quite a coincidence! Or is it sinking because it ran out of food? Were the dudes on the ship using rat food to plug holes in the hull?

Men the world over are waking up to the damage wrought by rampant feminism and they’re shocked to realise it all happened while they were asleep. Well, they’re asleep no more. Bleat all you like about feminism being about this or that, but the truth of it’s evil is written all over the once noble institutions of the world and the wishful bleatings of solipsistic girl-children can’t erase it. It is done. The cailphate is establishing its power base once more and Sharia law is spreading.

Huh? Because of feminism? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Feminists have destroyed the family and have eschewed child-bearing in favour of credentialism and the illusion of success, killing their unborn children and robbing men of their will to be fathers and husbands. The laugh is on you, Western feminists, as Western birth rates have at last fallen below their replenishment rate and the Muslims are laughing all the way to the maternity wards.

Oh, dear, you got some racism in your misogyny. Two terrible tastes that taste worse together!

The best you can hope for, Western women, is to abandon feminism entirely. Abandon that idiotic notion of ‘equality’, as it will never happen.  All it has earned you is the disrespect of men and an increasing number of women the world over. Feminism doesn’t make you strong. It doesn’t make you powerful. It doesn’t make you free. And it sure as hell doesn’t make you equal. It just makes you despicable.

Wait, weren’t you just complaining that feminism is about female supremacy? Now you’re admitting that it’s actually about equality – and you’re preaching male supremacy in its place?

Abandon feminism. Here’s a 12-step program for recovering feminists. There are others.

Ok, here we go.

1. Don’t be narcissistic. Never think you’re more important than men or children. Marketing departments delight in exploiting the feminist fallacy that you are. They promote ‘women’s only’ this and that, and women have bought into it. This appears sexist but it is really a marketing ploy that works because most women are narcissistic. Companies know they can charge more for goods and services by using the words ‘women only’. Narcissistic women are easily exploitable women. Be neither.

Huh. Isn’t the Men’s Rights Movement all about exploiting the narcissism of men who think they’re more important than women? (And children – at least in the case of the MRAs who whine endlessly about how unfair it is they can’t financially abandon their kids.)

2. Don’t let others make choices for you. This should be self-evident but for most of your life you’ve allowed yourself to be told what to wear, what to buy, what to eat, how to dress, where to go, how to think – in clubs, gyms, magazines, websites, books, stores and by TV talk show hosts. You’ve ‘needed’ a step-by-step guide through life, which you’ve followed with your sisters like sheep. Companies have exploited this need. Behave like a sheep if you must but obey the sheepdog, not the wolf. Better yet, be a woman who can think for herself.

… so long as “thinking for yourself” means “thinking you’re inferior to men and generally thinking the way men who hate women want you to.”

3. Get rid of the self-induced schizophrenia. Don’t insist you’re strong, confident, capable and independent one minute, then weak, frightened and vulnerable the next, especially when you’ve been caught doing something wrong. Don’t chop and change whenever it suits you – learn about who you are and be true. Admit when you’ve done something wrong. Don’t suddenly remember that you suffered abuse in the past or have some kind of mental illness or other instability, then use it to get yourself off. If you never sought help for these problems before you were caught, don’t use them as an excuse afterwards. Accept responsibility for yourself.

And for everything bad that men do as well, as manospherians repeatedly insist. If men are violent, it’s because women (allegedly) like dating violent men. If men brutalize the women in their life, it’s because the women provoke them. If a man arms himself with high-powered weapons and massacres children, his mom is to the real villain. For manospherians and MRAs generally, “responsiblity” means “a woman is always to blame.”

4. Don’t let the law take responsibility for crimes women commit. Speak out against women routinely receiving shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. If the law punishes women as it does children, treat them like children and encourage others to do so too. Don’t call these women ‘victims’ and say “they’ve suffered enough” because they’re women. Believe in, and stand up for, equal justice on the basis of gender.

Women do tend to receive shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. But this isn’t the fault of feminism. Indeed, female judges are slightly more likely to give women harsher sentence than male judges, possibly reflecting paternalistic attitudes on the part of male judges.

5. Don’t believe everything women and feminised men in the media tell you. Many serve up slop by the bucket – celebrity gossip, slimming tips, sex tips, man-shaming tips, rape and abuse lies, etc. TV shows like Oprah and Dr Phil are filled with advice on how women can transform themselves into victims and blame everything on men, while constantly ridiculing them. Partake of more nutritious fare than this. Get your infotainment from equitable programs. Be aware of the cultural status quo from both perspectives.

I have no idea what Jacob here would consider an “equitable” program, but, really, no one of any gender should be getting life advice from Dr. Phil.

6. Don’t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public. Don’t pretend that all women are your best friends when everyone knows nothing could be further from the truth. Openly acknowledge the reality that women despise each other unless there’s personal advantage in not doing so. Most good men can see through these attempts at deception, so lies won’t travel far. Don’t be a liar, especially not an obvious one.

I have no idea what the fuck he’s going on about here. “Don’t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public??” Do women who hate each other march around Jacob’s neighborhood arm-in-arm, pretending to be BFFs and singing the Lady Internationale? (“Arise, you prisoners of menstruation …  .“)

7. Don’t seek equality with men. Masculinity and femininity are inherently different. They are neither equals nor opposites, but different parts of the sexual continuum that can’t be defined from each other. Actively separate masculinity from femininity, and separate both from the sexual politics that keep them in healthy tension. Don’t claim women can do anything men can do until you start producing your own sperm.

Um, what? Is Kate Bush not a brilliant musician because she doesn’t have balls? Is Joan Didion not a brilliant writer because she can’t jizz into a sock?

Not every sperm producer is sacred.

8. Don’t demonize male sexuality or the male sex. Both sexes can be evil, both can be virtuous. Empathy, wisdom, grace, mercy, compassion and love are all as masculine as they are feminine. Don’t invaginate our boys by shaming or medicating the masculinity out of them before it matures and don’t impregnate them with the corrosive lie that being a woman is like being a man only better. Male sexuality is a pearl to be cultured. Suffuse your sons egos with promise if you want your daughters to have good men to love.

Uh, “invaginate?” Invaginate means to “be turned inside out or folded back on itself to form a cavity or pouch.” I’m pretty sure that teaching boys not to rape their dates does not in any way, literally or figuratively, turn them into a pouch.

9. Respect the sanctuaries of men. Men are judged much more harshly than women so they need their safe retreat. They don’t have the same opportunities for emotional support as women so they need a place where they can express themselves free of judgment and ridicule. This place must be respected. Take care if you venture there as your feminine narcissism is the enemy. Don’t draw attention to yourself and don’t expect protection if you do. If you must speak don’t attempt to control the dialogue or steer it towards you. Don’t censor language to suit your sensitivities. Male sanctuary is sacred – treat it as you would a cathedral.

Dudes, if you want to start your own little clubhouses where you can call women “cunts” in peace and quiet, go ahead and do it. Just don’t pretend they’re about anything more than misogyny. And if you put these allegedly sacred sanctuaries on the internet, don’t be surprised if some people take offence. Oh, and don’t claim that, say, video games, or STEM fields, or atheism, or whatever male-heavy thing you’re into, is a “male sanctuary” that need to be protected from evil girl germs.

Some male spaces can be totally awesome:

Others, not so awesome.

10. Don’t use shaming tactics. Don’t accuse men of having anger management issues when they’re angry at injustice. Don’t accuse them of being a threat when they call you out for being a bigot or a tyrant. Don’t accuse them of having a fear of commitment when they’re merely making a choice between bravery and stupidity. Don’t assess the merit of their arguments on the basis of their attractiveness to you. Don’t attribute their views about women to past disappointments when it is merely an objective assessment of your sex. Shaming tactics are remnants of childhood so leave them in the nursery if you want to be taken seriously.

I think this one just broke the irony meter. It’s not like manosphere dudes ever use shaming language aimed at anyone.

A word of warning here. The next paragraph is the worst one in the whole manifesto, and, honestly, one of the worst things I’ve run across in my more than two years of doing this blog. TRIGGER WARNING for rape apologia.

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11. Be honest about sexual harassment. If you assert that you have the right to dress as you please and that men should be able to control their sexuality, honour their right to be shielded from yours. If you don’t want men to control themselves but instead want to control their loss of control for your own enjoyment, be prepared for the consequences when things go awry. If ‘harassment’ – the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape – magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you don’t really want men to control themselves. Don’t expect men to know when it’s right to ‘harass’ you and when it’s not. Don’t treat Man one minute as an exciting and courageous hero and the next a monster intent on tyranny and abuse if you’re inconsistent in your sexual intentions and desires.

Woah. Let’s take another look at that especially terrible comment in the middle of that mess:

If ‘harassment’ – the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape – magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you don’t really want men to control themselves.

I’ve got no jokes for this one. You honestly think that RAPE can be “the foundation of a passionate new romance?” What the fuck is wrong with you?

12. Speak out against misandry. The main reason for its proliferation is that women have remained silent. Silence in the face of injustice is cowardly. It has allowed loud, obnoxious women to preach hatred with impunity, which has reflected badly on all women. When you speak out against misandry you do all women a favour. Don’t be a misandrist, don’t be a coward and don’t be silent.

At this point, I really don’t think I need to bother to point out the hypocrisy here.

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hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Cassandra: You are so right about the acting.

CassandraSays
11 years ago

Notice that I say he has an interest in it, not that he has a talent for it.

In any case, I think he’s had quite enough of our attention. To the other thread!

marinerachel
marinerachel
11 years ago

Oh, honey – nothing you’ve shared is new.

Jacob Ian Stalk
Jacob Ian Stalk
11 years ago

“nothing you’ve shared is new”

I meant that I’m thankful for what has been shared with me. Some of that was new…and also helpful.

marinerachel
marinerachel
11 years ago

Oh, I’m very sorry for my misunderstanding and the resulting misrepresentation. I’m glad the feedback has been helpful.

augochlorella
11 years ago

Moral autonomy is everyone’s goal, I suppose, although it’s probably not the safest journey to take alone. I suspect it’s for this reason we all submit to leadership to some degree on a daily basis, whether it be parents, teachers, employers, government…or blog communities.

Sure… but why should I as a woman have to accept “sheepdog” leadership from my husband? Surely it would be just as unsafe for my husband to take the journey of moral autonomy alone, much less be responsible for mine as well. What exactly makes him more fit to lead my life than myself?

Jacob, I got no clue why you’re here, but it seems like you’re using a lot of words to say not much at all.

Seconding.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Maybe he’s 11km away fro the real JIS.

katz
11 years ago

Hey, I totally realized who this guy reminds me of! The constant polite, and apparently honest, solicitation and acceptance of advice, combined with a total inability to actually understand or incorporate any of the advice given due to an impenetrable underlying belief in one’s fundamental rightness: I’ve only seen it in one other person.

It’s a guy who wanted feedback on a graphic novel he was writing. It was really terrible, and he was constantly posting bits of it and asking for help. He always graciously accepted any and all feedback, no matter how harsh, but he never actually addressed the major problems and he’d do ridiculous mental gymnastics to interpret every comment as suggesting only a minor cosmetic change, even if it was actually telling him to scrap the whole thing and start over. Like so:

ME: So people are commenting on his haircut, so he completely loses emotional control and his power crystal explodes and kills a bunch of people? That’s a ridiculous reaction for a teenager. He’s basically having a giant tantrum.

HIM: OK, so I need to clarify how the power crystals work.

It was maddening talking to him, because there was so much work that needed to be done and so much good advice to give and he was actively asking for it, but then no matter what you said or how clearly you stated it, he’d just end up hearing “it’s basically fine except for a couple of little things you could tweak.”

katz
11 years ago

David: The best part is that, in the comment immediately following, Toysoldier himself thinks he’s going too far.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

katz — well of course. TS firmly believes the power structures that allow women to abuse are feminist in nature. Jacob said they were built by men, and that men must correct this. Totally against TS’s “feminists are at fault and need to, um, idk, cease to exist, or something” (pretty sure I don’t want to know how he’d end that thought)

And that power crystal thing sounds hilarious. Like, dude, have him explode over actual bullying or something.

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

I thought Jacob was a FeMRA whose name I can’t remember. The one that posted in the holier-than-thou, wifey voice.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Sunshinemary?

CassandraSays
11 years ago

It’s pretty clear that if it’s the same guy posting here as, say, at TS’s blog, he’s had some sort of profound religious experience between then and now. Maybe God told him that accusing random people of being in league with Satan was uncharitable.

marinerachel
marinerachel
11 years ago

Do I want to become familiar with this Toy Solider character?

CassandraSays
11 years ago

Do you enjoy frustration? Take some sort of pleasure from watching someone take a valid issue and twist it to support their messed up agenda? If not, I wouldn’t recommend it.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

No, you do not want to become familiar with TS. It’ll just hurt your forehead because you slammed it into your desk so many times, reading his stuff.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

marinerachel – no, he’s a douchebag. Nothing to see there.

I’m in league with Satan if it’s Satan Claws we’re talking about.

Well,”under the control of” rather than “in league with”. Can’t go assuming equality with kitties.

marinerachel
marinerachel
11 years ago

You know what’s frustrating? Those of us who don’t have children or don’t stay home with our children are demonised and those most of us who do are allegedly abusive. Can. Not. Win.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Yep, the manosphere’s notions are that women are wrong whatever choices we make, even if they aren’t really choices at all. Even women who are totally under the thumbs of their oh-so-superior men are wrong – too dependent, too clingy, too demanding, or something. All these scum want to do is hurt and punish women for existing.

pecunium
11 years ago

JIN: Moral autonomy is everyone’s goal, I suppose, although it’s probably not the safest journey to take alone. I suspect it’s for this reason we all submit to leadership to some degree on a daily basis, whether it be parents, teachers, employers, government…or blog communities.

Speak for yourself.

And even so, no one can show that women need to look to men for that compass.

In addition (and this is no small point) you ignored a lot of response. A cynical person might think that was because you had not.

Me… I’ll assert it.

I wouldn’t expect it to but it makes sense to be polite surely?

What do you mean by polite? No “bad words”. Fuck that shit. When you say “women are inferior” that’s impolite. You may not be using, “rude language”, but you are sure as hell being offensive; and you know it.

The helpful criticisms some people are providing in this thread would probably not be so helpful if I were not being polite.

See above, you aren’t being polite, you are using “delicate” language to couch offensive ideas.

I use this word to mean in the manner of Narcissus falling in love with his reflection.

Ah… that would be the part where we are told men are better than women… because reasons.

I guess it comes down to a clear definition of “equal”. If we define it as ‘equal rights under the law’ or ‘equal dignity under God’ or ‘equal opportunity’ or other such definition, then I don’t think many people in the Manosphere would object to the term.

You would be wrong, and self-deluded.

These seem like sensible words. Number 11 was a comment on the risks associated with inconsistent sexual intentions and responses.

Could you put this in english? Because when someone says, “no”, then that means no. When they say, “more please!” the means continue.

Brain dead simple, even a man can understand it.

so much as I am about Christian Dominionism”

It’s not a fear, just a concern. Christian Dominionism, if it uses the same methods of ‘encouragement’ as Sharia, would also be a concern.

But you don’t mention it; even though (unlike Shari’a) people are actively putting it’s tenets into legislation.

Why is that?

I agree. The list started out being much longer

Good God, man! Longer? Jesus, Mary, and Joseph; all the saints and angels! I don’t even want to think about what you thought was extraneous to the superfluity of thought you edited it down to.

The list bears updating, hopefully with all the grappling points removed,

I can do that for you:

Men and women are free to do what they like in society. Neither is inferior to the other. Each person is an autonomous whole.

Easy-peasy.

I feel no embarrassment whatsoever in asking for help from those who do.

But you won’t take good advice when given. Pride, it goeth before the fall.

No-one’s perspective is irrelevant and no-one’s feelings are silly,

Incorrect.

Aaliyah
11 years ago

@marinerachel

Do I want to become familiar with this Toy Solider character?

TS is one of the most unpleasant, disingenuous MRAs I know. I recommend you forget about him.

marinerachel
marinerachel
11 years ago

After what happened last week, I can’t bare any more dehumanisation and will forget this creature entirely before approaching them or their work.

pecunium
11 years ago

TS is a self-centered, lying sack of shit. From what I can tell those are his good points.

Aaliyah
11 years ago

TS is a self-centered, lying sack of shit. From what I can tell those are his good points

I remember him commenting on a Yes Means Yes post, accusing Thomas Millar of ignoring male victims of sexual violence.

And guess what? That comment was on a post that explicitly mentioned victims of female-on-male sexual violence. And contrary to TS’ claim that there is no discussion of male victims at all on YMY, I looked through the blog archives at YMY and found a decent number of articles on male victims.

He’s like Tamen but 10x worse.

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