So: many if not most of you have probably heard about the whole #INeedMasculismBecause thing. For those who aren’t: a bunch of Men’s Rights Redditors and other MRAs, inspired by a post on 4Chan, decided to swarm Twitter with #INeedMasculismBecause tweets in response to the #INeedFeminismBecause hashtag. Feminists responded by outswarming the MRAs, flooding their new hashtag with often quite hilarious parodies of MRAspeak, as well as some just plain ridiculousness.
Today, on r/mensrights, MRAs are surveying the damage in a host of different threads, with some plaintively wondering “why is everyone so hostile towards the idea of men having issues,” and others claiming that the hashtag really “started as a caricature of Men’s Rights, in order to lure out the real life caricatures of Radical Feminism.” Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Jezebel has already chronicled some of the funniest parody tweets. And I was thinking of doing the same. I mean, these are pretty good:
Ok, that last one was just a dumb joke about someone ordering a watermelon-flavored drink. I “favorite” a lot of things.
Anyway, catching up on the whole thing last night, I found myself thinking that the parody comments – as funny as some of them were – couldn’t really compete with the loopiness of the real MRA tweets.
So here are some #INeedMasculismBecause tweets by some of my new favorite Twitter MRAs. (I only started going through these really late last night, so a lot of my examples come from the Indian MRAs who were posting prolifically at the time.)
Let’s start with Average Man, who opened a new Twitter account just for the occasion:
Uh, maybe they gave you “less marks” because you don’t know the difference between “less” and “lower.”
Alexander shared these somewhat perplexing thoughts:
The prolific SaveIndianFamilyNGO had all sorts of interesting opinions:
I found myself often perplexed by wnnbl, but I don’t think his troubles with English were the main problem:
I assume these last two are jokes, but honestly, who knows?
I have no idea what Virag was going on about with these tweets:
But this one at least was pretty clear:
Atit seems to have a rather strange idea of what “equality for men” means:
Warrior for Justice also doesn’t seem to like women very much:
Martin Clausen ramped up his largely dormant Twitter account to post these gems:
I don’t quite know what to make of Jackson here, but he seems to be a real MRA.
This is just a theory, but maybe women look at you strangely when you pick up your kids because of that uncontrollable boner you mentioned earlier?
MRAs show once again that they’re beyond parody — or at least indistinguishable from it.
Oh, by the way, in case anyone cares, I figured out who “David H. Fucktrelle — Male Feminist Extraordinare ™” really is. It wasn’t really that hard to figure out. It’s the one person in the universe who uses the phrase “male feminist extraordinare ™.”
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22male+feminist+extraordinaire%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>Buddha was a masculinist already back in 500BC
That one made me smile. The combination of projecting his issues and the utter absence of knowleged of the legend itself is simply baffling.
His wife was a princess and she gave birth to his son. She basically was set for life already.
I HAVE ASCENDED BEYOND THE NEED FOR YOUR MORTAL INTEGRALS
LOOK UPON MY PROOFS, YE MIGHTY, AND DESPAIR
(despair because I missed something stupid that invalidates the whole thing, probably)
Ok, just the Martin Clausen ones:
“The entire western world hates men”
Gosh I must be the only one who likes them =o
“Men in today’s society are NOT powerful”
You mean Obama’s a woman???
“People still think helping victims who are men and boys of all colours is a war on women”
Lol. Wut?
“Men and boys need compassion too, but are constantly ignored and left to die”
So…males’ source of life nourishment is compassion from others? How much compassion do men need to stop them from dying? Since when was this a thing? I feel kind of bad now.
Good morning! Needed my morning fix of Manboobz. Packing stuff up to move equals really bad sinuses equals whee to the brain and a headache from the dust.
I really wish I understood cat language ‘cuz “mrow” said with big purrs is wonderful.
MRA’s: find humanism and learn it. Also, stop separating everyone by their reproductive parts. It’s annoying and stupid. We are not defined by our genitals.
Fatrelle: sadly, even I can tell that when you call someone nasty names you have no real argument. And the “no women allowed in man spaces” part is hilarious because AVfM has added women. The FeMRA’s are held up like trophies, as someone else here said (paraphrased) “like it gives MRA’s authority or validity because you can hold up a few women and go “see! see”. It’s normal for humans, I think, to blame-shift (been doing it since Adam and Eve) and to commit what I think is called the single-cause fallacy(feminism is the only problem). Then it’s best to realize your mistakes and correct them. ‘stepping carefully off soapbox to get more coffee’ Have a good day to all.
I’m curious as to how SaveIndianFamily guy plans to save the family while remaining a mile away from women. Do we need to explain to him where babies come from?
I’m also confused as to how telling people about how many STDs American girls supposedly have is going to bring about world peace.
A few of those “how to not be a feminist” tips are actually “how to be a feminist, explained in shitty offensive language.”
I have a feeling that the writer’s not thinking of the same stuff as I am, but as far as I know feminism’s got quite a bit of a history of saying “fuck you too” to e.g. celebrity gossip and slimming tips…
I do believe I do shop and I believe the phrase is: For Women.
And FYI there are: For Men products too.
Gosh, by this guys logic all males and all females are narcissistic.
Again the logic can be applied to men and women. You know because we all live in a community. And communities have cultures and cultures dictate how we think.
Women are chopped up into pieces: look lips, look breasts ect. We are made to be pieces of what we are in media. Men are far more likely to be shown as a whole entity.
Okay, in other words respond to every situation the same way. I don’t think men do this one either.
And many women have suffered abuse. If I respond negativity to violence shown to me due to my abusive childhood I’m not trying to get myself out of trouble. I am responding to the trauma I faced in the past. PTSD you jerk.
I missed the abuse part. 🙁 This advice is abusive. Yeah, accept responsibility but…you are accepting responsibility. (Melody, not you personally) I recognize sometimes when my depression is making me irrational. Then I can calm myself down. Kinda. But this is taking responsibility. (okay, huh? some good advice mixed in with a bunch of wtf?) This author is being way too harsh. I can’t just flip a switch or yell at myself to stop it. I’ve tried and it really doesn’t work (makes things worse, circular). Preztel logic?
Great. Okay, well which studies are you referencing here. I don’t want to spend a ton of time breaking this down because I would be on here for hours explaining.
Part of this is the difference in crimes committed. Murder vs drugs for example. My sources show that women who commit violent crimes are just as likely to be incarcerated as men. When it comes to drugs women are less likely to see prison time (but studies don’t take plea bargains ect into account).
Men and women are seen differently in the court system. That is a problem with our culture. The same culture that wants to argue women aren’t fit for combat.
http://digitalcommons.utep.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=gang_lee
However, you may want to look at race as well. White privilege and whatnot. Because minority men are far more likely to see prison for crimes than white males. Minority men get longer prison sentences that white males. And the race component plays into the difference between men and womens prison times. As far more of the minority male population is in prison than the minority female population. Again complicated topic that can’t just be summed up simply.
Of course the victim blaming is very prevalent in society. “You didn’t fight back hard enough”, “You were dressed up”, “You were drinking”, “You were out after dark”, “You were with a man you didn’t know” ect.
Frankly, the sources used by MRM are NOT reliable sources of information. Frequently, if you look at the methodology it proves their studies unpublishable by the scientific community. Furthermore, when women site sources such as peer reviewed journals, the census, the CDC we are told that these are controlled by feminists by MRM folk. However, MRM hold that their sources are so much more reliable. This is confirmation bias. I can admit that sometimes I am wrong or that certain things are true the MRM folks can’t seem to accept that they could be wrong.
I despise other women? How would you know this? I hate my best friend?
Of course I suppose this guy thinks that men can have real relationships that don’t rely on advantage.
I have many female and many male friends. I certainly didn’t pick them because they give me an advantage.
And I tend to get along with most folks I meet: in the grocery store, on the bus and at work. Admittedly, some of the work friendships are networking. However, pretending every interaction I have comes from some self-interest because I’m a woman comes off as woman hating.
Masculinity and femininity are social constructs. They are not constant across history or culture. And pretending they are makes you seem ignorant.
And BTW we can make sperm in a lab now.
Interesting statement when earlier on you claimed women can’t have relationships with other women without self interest. It seems to me that you think women are self serving and selfish. And the rest of your post past the third sentence it is clear you think women are innately evil. Very contradictory.
And this goes in direct opposition with your statement above. That femininity and masculinity are different.
Sorry my rant is getting so long…………
Men are judged more harshly than women? In what way? Women are told what size they should be, what they should act like, what they should look like, what they should eat ect. Women are bombarded with expectations. Including expectations on how they should be in order to not be raped. Men come into womens spaces all the time and say “but the men”. Frequently, discussing issues that they never bring up without the context of women talking about those issues and how they effect women.
Men have plenty of places where they get to hang with the guys. And they do. They are places that don’t open themselves up to be inclusive to women. I don’t have a problem with men having mens spaces, but women need womens spaces too.
Shaming tactics? I know what those feel like: You are a slut, you are a prude, you eat too much, you eat to little, you drank to much, you lead him on, ect. These are some of the shaming tactics I see used by MRM folks against women.
Some men do have anger management issues. Some men do have commitment problems. Some women have anger management issues. Some women have commitment problems. Pointing them out isn’t shaming and putting up a straw feminist who declares to all men to have these problems isn’t going to make the statement true.
I’m not going into this a ton, but it has been said time and time again the amount of false accusations in regards to rape is small.
It is never right for a man to harass me. It is never right for a man to put his hands on me without my permission. It is never right for a man to ignore my statement of no.
And someone on here already said something lovely in regards to shielding men from our sexuality. Something along the lines of the fact they have no problem if attractive men want to flaunt their stuff. I don’t need to be shielded from men who want to show off what they got because I’m not controlled by my impulses and won’t rape or harass them just for being there. Men can control themselves too.
How about you speak out about misogyny then? I have spoken up against male bashing. When there was graffiti at my college that said we should castrate all men I spoke up against it. As did many other students. And I speak up against racism as well.
Yay! Rant finished.
Very enjoyable rant. 🙂
I feel like ranty dude’s rant would be a lot less confusing if he understood that “feminist” and “woman who I don’t like” are not interchangeable categories.
Guess that confusion is what happens when guys get used to using “feminist” to mean “woman who is pissing me off”.
@Cassandra
Very true.
Or woman who says things I don’t want to hear.
Gosh, this program keeps wanting to change my name.
Ha. Just noticed that it changed.
@CassandraSays
At least feminists don’t do that. 😛
“Ugh, this woman who says women belong in the kitchen pisses me off, she’s such a feminist! … Wait, but I’M a feminist… Er… Um… Er… Pass the headache pills please.”
(I still think the funniest ones are those who complain that the women who won’t sleep with them are feminists. Yeah, suuuure that woman wanted to have sex with you but her ideology stopped her, not the fact that you are a Severus Snape-level slimy nice guy (TM) bastard.)
@Creative
OMG so true.
I’ve met those men. The fact that I won’t have casual sex with them is because I’m a feminist, or a prude.
I love how many of the posts on manboobz have men bragging about how much tail they get and then talking about how all the men don’t get their fair share. They sound super bitter which makes me think they aren’t getting as much as they claim.
Studies indicate that somebody is lying though: Men claim to have twice as many partners as females claim to have in their life time. Depending on your study: 12 partners to 6 partners in a british study; The Health Survey for England found that men had 9.3 partners to womens 4.7 partners and Federal Goverment with men saying they had 7 partners and women saying they had 4.
Which by the way David Gale has a break down on how those two sets of numbers are impossible and that someone is lying.
For the past forty years, women have had feminism telling them that their shit smells like rainbows and cinnamon buns. Hell, an entire academic discipline has been built around tonguing the swollen clitoris of women’s ego. What it all comes down to is that #WomenNeedFeminism for whatever idiosyncratic first-world problem that they angst out over between checking their vapid Tumblrs and twittering away on their MAN-made iPhones. She’s overweight? No, she’s sticking it to the mighty phallus’ oppressive beauty standards. She’s an unpleasant harridan with 0 friends? No, she’s speaking out against the patriarchy. Her puckered meat clam drools in anticipation whenever she sees a presentable man? Fight the purity myth! And so on. This enabling of consequence-free behavior is essentially what’s driven feminism since 1970, and it’s basically all it’s good for. So let’s not be making fun of #INeedMasculismBecause.
It’s possible they both are, since women are threatened with the “slut” and “whore” labels for having too much sex, and men are threatened with “gay” and “not manly enough” for having too little.
@Melody
I’ve never met those particular guys in person, just so many of them are featured on here whining about it. (Met plenty of other creeps though.)
Why would someone follow an ideology that doesn’t work with their personal morality? I don’t dislike being creeped on because I’m a feminist, I’m a feminist because I don’t think I’m morally obligated to entertain creepers (amongst other things).
@Dvärghundspossen
Someone should tell that to Nevada, the Netherlands, and pretty much everywhere else where prostitution is legal, since that legalization has come with an increase in human trafficking, particularly of children. Sex trafficking happens everywhere, but places with legalized prostitution provide a much more lucrative market.
Whoops, wrong thread with that last one. Apologies.
Awesome
I think other people in these comments have already done this better, but Roommate and I decided to try paraphrasing the 12-Steps To Stop Being a Feminist or Whatever thing.
1. Don’t be narcissistic. Don’t think that just because you’re a woman, you’re entitled to tampons or underwear that’s shaped for your body. You narcissist.
2. Don’t let others make choices for you. You’ve ‘needed’ a step-by-step guide through life, which you’ve followed with your sisters like sheep. So follow this step-by-step guide to fixing that.
3. Get rid of all that self-induced schizophrenia. If you were abused, you have to either always act like you are permanently broken or like it totally wasn’t a big deal or anything. Acting anything less than these two extremes means you’re a person who reacts to certain things differently, and we can’t have you thinking you’re a person. You narcissist.
4. Don’t let the law take responsibility for crimes women commit. Become the Batman.
5. Don’t believe everything women and feminized men in the media tell you. They will tell you that sometimes rape and abuse happens and those are lies. I also know you feminists are all in total support of celebrity gossip and weight-loss tips. I also totally know what a feminist is.
6. Don’t fake solidarity with women, especially in public. I know more about your relationships than you do, stranger on the internet who I’ve never met. I know you may think that all of those life-long friendships with other women were based on shared-interests, companionship, and love, but I know that you all hate each other because one of you is prettier or some bullshit.
7. Don’t seek equality with men. I mean, really. You narcissist. Also actively separate feminine and masculine traits.
8. Don’t demonize male sexuality or the male sex. Empathy, wisdom, grace, mercy, compassion, and love aren’t just feminine traits, you harpy! How dare you actively separate feminine and masculine traits!
9. Respect the sanctuaries of men. I won’t tell you where exactly these sanctuaries are, but you’re an awful person if you think you belong there. Wherever they are. Call of Duty games or the oval office maybe? I don’t know.
10. Don’t use shaming tactics. You narcissist.
11. Be honest about sexual harassment. So you like things like touch and sex when you’ve consented to it with people you know and may even be in a loving relationship with but not from strangers who just do it without asking you? Don’t you realize how gray that line is? I tried understanding the difference between those too scenarios and I pooped myself. It’s too hard.
12. Speak out against misandry. It’s out there… somewhere.
Augochlorella wins an internet. With a bow on.