I haven’t had the patience to go through the discussions that developed in the wake of the Men’s Rights Subreddit’s historic winning of the prestigious King Dick of Fart Mountain Subreddit of the Day award yesterday. But I did read enough to come across this little exchange, in which a heroic Men’s Rightser confessed how touched he was that someone outside the Men’s Rights subreddit had noticed the bold, brave activism of Reddit MRAs.
And then someone pointed out some other things he’s said a couple of days ago.
NWOslave, is that you?
Actually, I doubt it; NWOslave has an account under his own name there. But great minds do think alike.
Here’s the link to StarFscker’s original comment in context.
I wonder how these guys would handle things like nudist camps or even ren faires. o.O
@Viscaria
I’d wager that he only thinks what men wear should be constrained by what men think and women in the vicinity don’t come into it at all.
He actually doesn’t think women come in to play much at all (aftr they’ve made the decision on what to wear) except as hangers for clothes that do things. After all, it is the outfit that communicates a message, not the woman. Even the rejection seems to come from the clothes as the woman is only a “cock-tease” because of what she wears not because she herself has actually rejected an advance made in response to the outfit.
I also think it is interesting that what a woman does in public (wearing things) is compared to what a man does in private (flirt with someone he wouldn’t be seen in public with).
I think CassandraSays’s mom is awesome.
I think I might need to start using this as the textbook example of “false equivalence”. It’s downright impressive.
However, to be fair (odd, I know, but I’m overly Canadian sometimes), he did argue that 99% of men can handle all the tantalizing hotclotheswearingness, so all of you bragging how you aren’t jumping men in shorts are just part of the 99%.
I am sure that if you were poking these men, however, that he would insist you should be understood and sympathized with while those whorish men should be scolded, because this man is clearly a believer in a balanced view.
*ahem*
Yes, because he gathered a sample from which he could generalise to estimate that the correct proportion is 99%. I’m sure I did a comment the other day about how MRA percentage estimates are all in the 90-100% range.
This isn’t a big deal or anything but I’m also kinda pissed that he included “lesbian females” (and by extension, I assume, all queer women) in the group of people who are totes oppressed by women choosing what clothes they want to wear. Don’t spread this bullshit all over us too, please.
Of course, he went on to say that it’s only 1% of men who can’t control themselves so I guess that’s flattering?
So many comments already! Sorry if anything I’m about to say got said already!
First, wtf is with “dresses in a manner I find sexy” being equal to “flirts but won’t be seen with you”? Second, as someone who doesn’t care wtf your dangly bits are, you’re either attractive (to me) or you aren’t — ball scratching? Don’t think I’ve ever noticed besides when telling relatives to stop making a show of it (as you may’ve noted, I have a weird family). Third, wtf difference does the nature of the dangly tots make when they’re being scratched? Itchy crotch is itchy, deal with it and move on, is this really so hard?
TMI
Fourth, more skirts and boots please, I do enjoy the eye candy and can totally refrain from staring, forget “poking”! Assholes ruining it for those of us who just find attractive people attractive! Of course, brain > looks
Also, why should people base their behavior on what 1% of the population might do? What’s the chance of encountering someone who’s in that 1% on any given day, and them happening to notice you?
It would be a ridiculous demand even if he wasn’t asking women to feel sympathy for men who “can’t” control themselves, which he is.
whataboutthemoonz — “This shit is starting to depress me.” Go to EA’s twitter, enjoy what they’ve been up to (and try Veronica’s blog, the good captain was playing in a fountain and got caught on camera 🙂 )
Does anyone actually find the sight of a man scratching his balls to be sexy? I don’t find that sexy even if it’s a man who I’m attracted to. It’s like getting hot and bothered because someone is picking their nose.
Viscaria — “In other news, run-on-sentences are the best sentences.” Yep!
And fuck yeah on not including women-liking non-cis-men, but then again, only cis man I know that might not be offended at being included here is my father and we all know he’s an asshole.
@Argenti, “dangly tots?” Please tell me that was autocorrect being helpful. 😉
Yes, yes it was >.<
That was, rather obviously, supposed to be dangly bits >.<
@Cassandra, also men who adjust themselves in front of me. I Do Not Need To See That. There was this one guy who did it routinely, not just in front of me. The awfulest time was when I was sitting down at my desk and he was standing next to me.
Kiwi & Cassandra: or the dudes who decide to spread out on public transport as if their balls are in danger of suffocating.
I had one boss who could not keep his hand out of his pocket and adjusting. I always wanted to say, “Yes, it’s still there, and you are gross.”
I wouldn’t say it bothers me all that much, the scratching and the adjusting. It’s definitely impolite, but it doesn’t send me into OH GOD NO STOP THAT territory, it’s just sort of…something that should really be done in private, so it’s awkward to be watching it.
Why angry dudebro in the OP thinks that people would find it arousing just because a hand is making contact with a sexualized body part I’m not sure. Does he find it sexy when women scratch their asses?
Now if a guy is clearly doing it because he finds it sexy to do it in front of women, because he likes the idea of imposing what he thinks of as a sexual act on them, then yeah, that’s gross.
Following that train of logic, all of those people who parade about with their expensive cars, designer clothing and the like are oppressing lower-income people. They’re causing others to want to rob them, which is a natural by-product of seeing pricey, desirable objects. Everybody should be forced to wear sackcloth and drive beaters to avoid this problem.
If my jeans are both very tight and very expensive am I enticing people to grope AND rob me?
@CassandraSays, yes. clearly.
OMG I SEE THIS EVERY DAY (except the days when I walk). Taking up two seats because you want to air out your dangly bits is not acceptable. I only once had the nerve to say something about it, and that was because there was an elderly man with a heavy shopping bag who clearly needed to sit.
This problem with men taking up too much space doesn’t happen on Wellington trains or buses. But the bloody people who put their bag/stuff on the seat next to them – hey you paid for one person, not to use an entire seat! Also, for the seats that come horizontally out from the wall, sitting on the aisle side of the seat to “put people off” sitting next to you – not cool. /frowny face.
*sorry, that should be “… you paid for one arse…”
FORCING all heterosexual men (and homosexual women) to think about them in a sexual way.
This guy has obviously never heard of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Thoughts != actions. Thoughts != uncontrollable.
Eesh.
@CassandraSays
I was never pro-leggings in some general sense, just sticking up for them as a workable item of clothing. Pretty sure lots of people do dig ’em though.
Given Kittehhelp’s other tastes, she probably doesn’t mind them with breeches or something.