I haven’t had the patience to go through the discussions that developed in the wake of the Men’s Rights Subreddit’s historic winning of the prestigious King Dick of Fart Mountain Subreddit of the Day award yesterday. But I did read enough to come across this little exchange, in which a heroic Men’s Rightser confessed how touched he was that someone outside the Men’s Rights subreddit had noticed the bold, brave activism of Reddit MRAs.
And then someone pointed out some other things he’s said a couple of days ago.
NWOslave, is that you?
Actually, I doubt it; NWOslave has an account under his own name there. But great minds do think alike.
Here’s the link to StarFscker’s original comment in context.
Is this the kind of MRA that the PUA-types would hate? Because he’s encouraging women to downgrade their sexual market value or something like that? Isn’t there something about how women dressing *unattractively* is a sign of Women Aren’t Women Anymore and all this? Who do these guys hate more? Attractive women or unattractive women? I MUST KNOW.
Also, the whole ‘parading around something I can’t have’ is just weird and icky. Like, every time you see something nice you have to go and touch it? Are you four? Also equating people to things is always awesome! Not to mention the ‘line’ of ‘what is too sexy’ is going to be different for every person. And what about guys who have a fetish for women dressed in ankle length skirts and blouses, or whatever it is we’re supposed to be wearing? Maybe we just shouldn’t ever leave the house to avoid tempting men! That’s definitely never been proposed before and has always worked really well for everyone!
@Kiwi Girl
The boyfriend is big into T-shirts and jeans, and when we go out somewhere nice, I always suggest (once) a turtleneck or nicer shirt instead, but that’s the extent of me trying to alter how he dresses. He can listen or not and I won’t bring it up again (except to thank him for taking my advice or to compliment how he looks). So, while I feel for people with partners who dress badly, it still doesn’t give them (or me, although t-shirts aren’t too bad) the right to pester or harass their partner into changing. After nicely suggesting a handful of times that he not continue to wear worn out clothes, we compromised on his old shirts that shouldn’t be worn in public, but he didn’t want to get rid of – nightshirts for me.
If he asks, I’ll of course suggest things that are appropriate, but that is a completely different situation.
@Some girl, I’m not talking about people who won’t get out of t-shirt or jeans, but people who look like they’re an enemy of water and soap (or soap substitute), or who wear dirty/torn type clothing out to office job interviews (as a for example) and wonder why they don’t get the role. If someone wants to wear a t-shirt and jeans to the opera or to an expensive restaurant (more for examples), I couldn’t care less. My partner wears casual or semi-casual clothing all the time, and it really doesn’t bug me – although I do tease him when he’s wearing fleecy pants with holes in the arse around the house.
That’s why I said “inappropriately”. 🙂
And yeah, offering advice on clothing can be a touchy area. My partner is colour-blind, and recognises I have “better taste” in clothing than him, so I get to choose his work clothing. I’ve also managed to convince him that it is bad for shoes to wear them days in a row (e.g. they don’t get to try out inside), so he now has 2 pairs of shoes for work.
You sound like you’re doing fine with your partner, and obviously you’re not in the same situation as “look at my swag gf” guy above.
@Kiwi Girl
I hope I’m doing fine! Thanks. 🙂 I just meant that even in inappropriate situations (which I’m barely in? Maybe I like dressing up and “matching” the level of formalness of a partner too much and so have overestimated how “inappropriate” the situation is), there are limits to how much anyone should try to change their partners and limits on how to do so, however much I may feel bad for those in even more extreme situations than mine.
Am I the only one who finds it annoying that purple star doesn’t have a purple avatar?
That’s why I said I have sympathy. 🙂 For ingrained behaviour, it’s really hard to change. Also, I was thinking of it from a putting up with colleague’s stinky hygiene/clothing at work. I remember reading some guy’s opinion piece on the Stuff website about cycling to work. It appeared that he worked in an office, and his attitude was that because he was doing all this good exercise, his workmates should just suck up the fact he was sweaty at work. That did make me think Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
@katz, yep, and I’m the one that has to match peg colours when hanging out clothing. 🙂
Have you ever done the Stroop test?
Yuppers, did that in elementary school enrichment, actually.
How difficult did you find it?
@katz
I didn’t actually notice. Purple Star is so annoying to me in general, though, that I see the name and have to sigh, roll my eyes, and say “not again” when I see them posting. (It took me like two posts to get to that point. PURPLE STAR: THIS IS A BAD SIGN!)
Now that you’ve pointed it out, though, I might have to add an extra sigh. 🙂
Not terribly difficult. You just have to adjust how you think.
No trolling or whatever, I just want to know how I can force my girlfriend to wear clothes that make her uncomfortable for my viewing pleasure. Any suggestions?
I have one: spill lukewarm coffee all over your favourite shirt right before you meet your greatest hero.
YOU don’t. Learn now that no one cares about your boner.
You’re too immature for sexy dressing, you can’t even spell it right.
I know this was called earlier in the thread (by many people), but now we have Purple Star as proof:
Men: Not Just Oppressed by Women who Dress Too Sexy, Also Oppressed by Women who Don’t Dress Sexy Enough
MRAs: The Ultimate No Win Scenario
Purple Star thinks this woman should be uncomfortable just because he has some stupid notion of how she should dress. She’s not even HIS girlfriend, going by the “this coming from a guy who is a bf” bit – it’s (allegedly) some other dude whining about his girlfriend not subjecting herself to stares from other men so HE can feel good.
Go fuck yourselves, both of you, if there are in fact two men in this scenario. You get off on women feeling vulnerable and nervous, do you? On treating them like they’re accessories? Losers. I hope this woman dumps whoever the man involved is, whatever the relationship. He’s no friend.
On the opposite tack – men who’re decent human beings and then some – Mr K is a useful man to have around on a shopping expedition. He can come into the changing room to help me choose and nobody knows he’s there. 😉
@Kitteh, ah, I thought he was positioning himself as the bf. Hence why I wrote the comment I did. If he’s not the bf, then those comments don’t apply and I second your sentiments. 🙂
So “no trolling” is like “no offense” then?
Whether he’s the boyfriend or not, whether the story’s made from whole cloth, he can go walk on Legos anyway. No trolling? Yeah, right. If this is happening, he or the other guy are being trolls to that woman.
Loved your Boeing comment, btw. 😉
Late to chafing convo but I can recommend sudacreme (baby cream) for fixing chafed bits, Kitteh.
My father only completed about 10 years of schooling, and had a fucking milk run where his money went to support the family, and communicated better than these guys. I can forgive the odd mistake because this isn’t a place for English class, but when these guys complain about females who don’t dress “good enough” (yet they appear to be taking time to choose their clothes, etc) and they can’t even be bothered sorting out homonyms, I get pissed. I do view people who are this lazy at communicating as just as lazy in other aspects of their lives, including how they dress.
There are pro-feminism people commenting here from all walks of life, many with negative backgrounds, yet they consistently communicate well. It’s just these fucking guys.
I am not an editor, but part of my real life job involves a lot of report writing, and editing/ peer reviewing other people’s work. It means I headdesk a few times at this end when I read the streams-of-poorly-spelled-stream-of-consciousness crap that we often see, and David quotes in his blog posts. I do this headdesking gently, so there are no obvious bruises 😉
@ Kiwi girl
Given that it doesn’t seem to be an ESL issue with most of our trolls it does make me wonder if there’s a correlation between lack of intelligence and becoming an MRA.
::applauds Kiwi girl::