Today is an auspicious day. For the Men’s Rights Subreddit, which we often write about here on Man Boobz, has won the prestigious World’s Greatest Shitlord Award. Oh, sorry, I mean it won the Subreddit of the Day award on Reddit. Which is, in this case, pretty much the same thing.
Here are some highlights from the official announcement , which I am totally not making up. No, really, you can go look. Someone – that being XavierMendel, one of the mods of r/subredditoftheday — actually wrote these things. And meant them. I AM NOT BEING SARCASTIC THIS IS REAL HOLY SHIT.
The topic at hand today takes a generous turn from our amusing and lighthearted articles of the month. On this, the last day of January, we look at something a bit more worthy to be called an article. /r/MensRights comes up a lot across reddit and, indeed, across the world as being one of the few centers for men’s help. It’s often attacked, and is always the center of one controversy or the other. My questions reflect that. MensRights is, undoubtedly, the home of great activists.
Again. I am not making this up.
There were some people close to me that suggested I not run this article. That the repercussions of doing so would be unreasonably bad. Well, here you go, people. This is my way of saying that a good reporter doesn’t care. A good reporter reports. It’s not in my job to care about consequences.
I’m not sure that Mr. Mendel quite understands the difference between “reporting” and “asskissing.”
/r/MensRights. Never in our society could the uninitiated imagine such a place. A place where feminism is questioned, and our culture is deconstructed to find what it’s really up to.
Hahaha, what? I was not aware that feminism wasn’t ever questioned on the internet, or anywhere else in “our society.” I mean, it’s not like I run a blog that features nearly 500 posts detailing people attacking feminism on the internet, most of them nastily and ignorantly and sometimes using the word “cunt,” and the vast majority of them not on Reddit. And it’s not like this only barely scratches the surface of the subject.
/r/MensRights is one of the last fortifications of free thought to exist on Reddit.
Yeah, that’s why I was banned – not for trolling or harassing or calling anyone names, but for politely if persistently disagreeing with the denizens until then-moderator ignatiusloyola threw a fit.
“Surely you jest,” one might tell me, “when you mean they’re alone in this regard?” No, hypothetical 19th century British gentleman, I do not. I truly mean it when I say that. What other subreddit openly questions feminism? None spring to mind, and I make it my duty to catalog various subreddits. Most end up banned or run down within a month. Only /r/MensRights remains.
Reddit: Bastion of Internet Feminism.
Nobody can say for sure whether or not they’re correct in any single regard. It’s certain that, due to the laws of probability, they’re not correct in every regard. However, it’s also certain that they’re correct in most of them. Occasionally a wackjob or two will suggest that feminism is behind Cinnamon Toast Crunch (The taste you can see!™). The accuser latches onto those wackjobs to denounce the whole movement.
Yeah, it’s not as if comments suggesting that a man allegedly wronged in divorce court should turn to murder got literally dozens of upvotes in r/mensrights, or anything.
Oh wait, they did.
Yeah, it’s not as if Men’s Rights Redditors gave literally hundreds of upvotes to a post about a t-shirt suggesting that men could be convicted of rape simply for being in a room alone with a woman.
Oh wait, they did.
It’s not as if Men’s Rights Redditors regularly give dozens if not hundreds of upvotes to posts from unhinged hate sites like A Voice for Men or Angry Harry,or fall all over themselves praising an internet-famous female MRA who thinks that many abused women “demand” their abuse.
It’s not as if they think “spermjacking” is a real thing in the world that should make all men think twice about ejaculating in the general vicinity of women.
It’s not like … oh, you can find many, many more examples for yourself.
After claiming that “people have died” after being called misogynists, while “nobody ever dies after being called a misandrist,” Mr. Mendel winds up his speech with this stirring conclusion:
I support the struggles of people who are in bad positions. I respect it, in a way, for I have also seen great struggle. My struggle is not over, nor will it end until my death. For I struggle with something that will not go away through legislation or social change. The Men’s Rights Movement, however, struggles with something very changeable. Very malleable, able to be fixed within a generation if so desired. So I will support them, for they have a fighting chance. …
/r/MensRights is controversial for a reason. In the same sense as Jews of the 1890s, Irish of the 1850s, Hispanics of the 1350s, and many more. Each generation has their controversial improvement in society. We’ve gotten off easy so far, but we have to make it happen eventually. As far back as anyone living can remember, the table has been imbalanced in one way or another, favoring men or women. It’s time the table stays level for once. We need equality.
And that’s what /r/MensRights is trying to do.
Oy yoy yoy. There’s so much ridiculousness to unpack there that it makes me tired. I think I’ll go take a nap.
Mr. Mendel followed his stirring introduction with some questions for the denizens of r/mensrights. And there was some discussion. I can’t even. Not right now. I’ll get to all that in a future post.
In the meantime, Skepchick’s Rebecca Watson – who has been on the receiving end of r/menrights’ heroic activism more than once — has her own reaction to the Men’s Rights is the Subreddit of the Day announcement.
Cassandra. I blame the way they used to pay writers at the time.
Great Expectations should have been 200 pages shorter.
(It’s funny how certain authors just rub you up the wrong way to the point where pretty much anything they write gets an instinctive “nope!”)
Pretty much anything Dickens wrote would have been better with the word count cut in half.
Yeah, we get it. In fact we got it after the first few phrases. Could we move on now?
@CassandraSays
I was just thinking the same thing, but I wouldn’t use the word “author.”
@Cassandra, I feel the same way about Tolkien’s works.
Long-time reader, rare commenter piping up to say I love the commentariat here…and to point and laugh at “Lusitanian.” Sorry dude, not since Camões.
Also, FWIW I am not Brazilian but among my vast Portuguese cousinage and acquaintances on both USian coasts, the only ones who refer to themselves as “Hispanic” are racist fuckwads who complain about affirmative action but bragged about marking it on forms in high school as a chance to get extra scholarships.
Ooh you guys are some literary soulmates! I usually get the weirdest looks when I bitch about Tolkien needing an editor. The rigors of serial publishing/pay-by-word doesn’t get Dickens off the hook either. Maybe if he had used fewer words he could have written stories where, I don’t know, things happen? Maybe multiple things?
But nobody makes me stabby like Marcel Proust, with Nabokov coming in close second.
Do we really need to make this into a “bitch about literature” thread?
Normally I lurk, but all this Bronte & Austen talk makes the need to comment impossible to resist. I just couldn’t like Jane Eyre when I read it – here’s this sane, sensible woman, and she falls for a brooding, childish, and secretive asshat? Whyyyyy?
Then I had to read Wide Sargasso Sea, which really put the nail in that coffin.
Now I stick with Jenna Starborn.
Okies, in another direction, Kim is your power on yet? Are there other bridges to use that are relatively convenient? Is the weather improving?
Bah, behind as usual – what was up with your cat, Kiwi girl? I take it she’s doing better? =^.^=
Also the Gremaine Greer + Steve Irwin thing cracked me up so much. His death made me laugh in general actually – I am sad for his family but the fact he died via an animal getting pissed off at him, and he wasn’t even being obnoxious, was too ironic. Not a bad way to go: just sucks for those you leave behind. 🙁
You in Aussie Kim? My sympathies for your problems, hoping it clears up quickly. O_O
(Although I should say that you guys all have every right to share any opinion about literature, here or elsewhere.)
::dies::
Um, ahh … you like wearing fluoro socks! So there!
Let’s see, literature I like – Barchester Towers. Mind you I only read it because I ADORE the BBC serial. It stars Donald Pleasance and Nigel Hawthorne but it’s the one where Alan Rickman made his name. The odious Obadiah Slope is the role he was born to play. 🙂
BTW, Kiwi girl, I’m glad your cat is OK!
Oh, and on the topic of Mean To Newbies – nope, nobody’s ever been mean to me here. Not even slightly. I didn’t lurk all that long before I started commenting, prolly only a couple of months at most. I did feel some trepidation at commenting, but that’s because the commentariat* here are scarily educated** and know a damn sight more about most of the stuff the trolls blather about than I do. So like any group, takes a little while to get involved and get to know people, but mean? Hostile? Nope. (Actually the troll takedowns are one of the big attractions, heheh.)
Anyway there are KITTIES! and PUPPIES! and cute animals generally!
*old Soviet term for identity thieves, apparently
**yes I’m lookin’ at you Argenti and Pecunium and Ithiliana
Darn Kitteh, your link in your name has reverted back to that other blogsite again.
Augh! Stoopid WordPress! I deleted that blog the other day.
Hey, I met a KITTY at the clinic tonight!
katz, cloudiah: Since you both have had the misfortune of having to deal with identity theft (so sorry to hear it!), do you have any advice for how to get it dealt with? Especially for those of us who may not have a ton of money to throw at a lawyer?
A friend of mine just found out that his identity has been stolen. We’ve already told him to go to the police and notify all of his banks/credit lines, but then what? Looking online for people/organizations that might help with such cases runs into the problem of having to tell genuinely helpful groups from scammers who try to further exploit victims of identity theft. Any suggestions?
I love the commentariat here! I am a mostly lurker but whenever I’ve posted I don’t think anyone has been mean to me. But then again, I also do not tend to jump into clearly well established communities saying “Hey guys, here’s how you are all super wrong about everything! Hugs, Denise!” and expect a good response.
Also, given that people have THE WHOLE FREAKING INTERNET in which to say gross things, I appreciate a place where sexist comments are swiftly nipped in the bud. If you want to go criticize a woman for, as an example, being ugly instead of being wrong, you have no shortage of places to do that. This is not one of those places, and I for one really enjoy that. So, please, regular commentariat, keep up the good work.
I should also point out that there are many times when someone criticizes somebody, and that somebody is like “hey, you know what? You’re right, I’m sorry” and everyone else is like “thanks, now here are some baby bulldogs”. Or someone criticizes somebody and that somebody says “woah there, that was sarcasm” and the response is “oh sorry, my bad, here’s a picture of my new kitten”. That’s not being unfriendly or unwelcoming at all.
Literature discussion! Yes, please, more!
Also, another newbie/lurker here. The only commenters I’ve seen being “mean and spiteful” have been the trolls. Mostly they fail and instead just come off as stupid and hilarious. The regulars are always lovely, witty, and share baby animal videos.
The only time I’ve seen people here be mean other than to trolls is when people are a. saying stuff that’s hurtful to others, then b. refusing to acknowledge that what they said was hurtful, and then c. either calling the people whose feelings were hurt oversensitive or doubling down on their belief that they have the right to say hurtful things. In which case, well, yeah, people aren’t going to be very friendly towards you, because you’re being an asshole.
The addition of “OMG you mean oversensitive people are also possibly mobsters out to steal my identity!” is a fascinating new edition to the pattern, but one that I wouldn’t suggest than anyone else try to repeat.
Say, if we’re Russian mobsters, does that mean we should be writing in the
SpanishCyrillic alphabet?Also, re: trolls vs the regulars – only once have I had a personal attack here, and that was from a weird fly-by troll. It wasn’t hurtful (it was too damn stupid to be anything but laughable) but what really struck me was how regulars, people I know only by words and gravatars on a screen, tore him to bits for what he said.
Gave me the warm fuzzies, it did. 🙂
Completely side tracking onto crochet, aren’t these cute: http://www.anniescatalog.com/image.html?prod_id=23418&mode=gallery