Today is an auspicious day. For the Men’s Rights Subreddit, which we often write about here on Man Boobz, has won the prestigious World’s Greatest Shitlord Award. Oh, sorry, I mean it won the Subreddit of the Day award on Reddit. Which is, in this case, pretty much the same thing.
Here are some highlights from the official announcement , which I am totally not making up. No, really, you can go look. Someone – that being XavierMendel, one of the mods of r/subredditoftheday — actually wrote these things. And meant them. I AM NOT BEING SARCASTIC THIS IS REAL HOLY SHIT.
The topic at hand today takes a generous turn from our amusing and lighthearted articles of the month. On this, the last day of January, we look at something a bit more worthy to be called an article. /r/MensRights comes up a lot across reddit and, indeed, across the world as being one of the few centers for men’s help. It’s often attacked, and is always the center of one controversy or the other. My questions reflect that. MensRights is, undoubtedly, the home of great activists.
Again. I am not making this up.
There were some people close to me that suggested I not run this article. That the repercussions of doing so would be unreasonably bad. Well, here you go, people. This is my way of saying that a good reporter doesn’t care. A good reporter reports. It’s not in my job to care about consequences.
I’m not sure that Mr. Mendel quite understands the difference between “reporting” and “asskissing.”
/r/MensRights. Never in our society could the uninitiated imagine such a place. A place where feminism is questioned, and our culture is deconstructed to find what it’s really up to.
Hahaha, what? I was not aware that feminism wasn’t ever questioned on the internet, or anywhere else in “our society.” I mean, it’s not like I run a blog that features nearly 500 posts detailing people attacking feminism on the internet, most of them nastily and ignorantly and sometimes using the word “cunt,” and the vast majority of them not on Reddit. And it’s not like this only barely scratches the surface of the subject.
/r/MensRights is one of the last fortifications of free thought to exist on Reddit.
Yeah, that’s why I was banned – not for trolling or harassing or calling anyone names, but for politely if persistently disagreeing with the denizens until then-moderator ignatiusloyola threw a fit.
“Surely you jest,” one might tell me, “when you mean they’re alone in this regard?” No, hypothetical 19th century British gentleman, I do not. I truly mean it when I say that. What other subreddit openly questions feminism? None spring to mind, and I make it my duty to catalog various subreddits. Most end up banned or run down within a month. Only /r/MensRights remains.
Reddit: Bastion of Internet Feminism.
Nobody can say for sure whether or not they’re correct in any single regard. It’s certain that, due to the laws of probability, they’re not correct in every regard. However, it’s also certain that they’re correct in most of them. Occasionally a wackjob or two will suggest that feminism is behind Cinnamon Toast Crunch (The taste you can see!™). The accuser latches onto those wackjobs to denounce the whole movement.
Yeah, it’s not as if comments suggesting that a man allegedly wronged in divorce court should turn to murder got literally dozens of upvotes in r/mensrights, or anything.
Oh wait, they did.
Yeah, it’s not as if Men’s Rights Redditors gave literally hundreds of upvotes to a post about a t-shirt suggesting that men could be convicted of rape simply for being in a room alone with a woman.
Oh wait, they did.
It’s not as if Men’s Rights Redditors regularly give dozens if not hundreds of upvotes to posts from unhinged hate sites like A Voice for Men or Angry Harry,or fall all over themselves praising an internet-famous female MRA who thinks that many abused women “demand” their abuse.
It’s not as if they think “spermjacking” is a real thing in the world that should make all men think twice about ejaculating in the general vicinity of women.
It’s not like … oh, you can find many, many more examples for yourself.
After claiming that “people have died” after being called misogynists, while “nobody ever dies after being called a misandrist,” Mr. Mendel winds up his speech with this stirring conclusion:
I support the struggles of people who are in bad positions. I respect it, in a way, for I have also seen great struggle. My struggle is not over, nor will it end until my death. For I struggle with something that will not go away through legislation or social change. The Men’s Rights Movement, however, struggles with something very changeable. Very malleable, able to be fixed within a generation if so desired. So I will support them, for they have a fighting chance. …
/r/MensRights is controversial for a reason. In the same sense as Jews of the 1890s, Irish of the 1850s, Hispanics of the 1350s, and many more. Each generation has their controversial improvement in society. We’ve gotten off easy so far, but we have to make it happen eventually. As far back as anyone living can remember, the table has been imbalanced in one way or another, favoring men or women. It’s time the table stays level for once. We need equality.
And that’s what /r/MensRights is trying to do.
Oy yoy yoy. There’s so much ridiculousness to unpack there that it makes me tired. I think I’ll go take a nap.
Mr. Mendel followed his stirring introduction with some questions for the denizens of r/mensrights. And there was some discussion. I can’t even. Not right now. I’ll get to all that in a future post.
In the meantime, Skepchick’s Rebecca Watson – who has been on the receiving end of r/menrights’ heroic activism more than once — has her own reaction to the Men’s Rights is the Subreddit of the Day announcement.
Even if your name is your brand, it’s prudent for that name to be a pseudonym unless you’re actually hot stuff enough to have a lawyer and such.
(Not criticizing anyone who regularly uses their real name online, BTW, but if you’re actively trying to prevent identity theft, that’s a prudent first step.)
OMG, guys, I started commenting regularly, like, yesterday. Quick! Quick! be mean to me! XD
I love the Bronte books, but I have to admit my love of Wuthering Heights is all about the unreliable narrator effect. Something about knowing there is a Truth and there is What The Narrator Says makes me happy. It’s weird. It’s like reading the first Harry Potter bookt he second time and having it be the magic of “OMG I KNOW WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON THERE LOL!”
Re: Austen MRAs, would John Thorpe from Northanger Abbey count? He only complements Catherine Morland because he thinks she’s going to marry him, and insults her a lot when she is surprised and refuses his proposal, which seems kinda Really MRA Sour Grapesish. (Henry Tilney, the love interest in that book, is actually my favorite Austen beau. I like Darcy all right, I guess, but he’s a bit too stiff for me; Henry is much more fun and whimsical, while being steadfast and true.)
Ok, bracing for the Meanness of the High School Clique!
As if you have any other setting XD
kiwi girl, I somehow missed the announcement about your kitty. what a relief! katz, sorry about the identity theft. I went through that about 3 years ago, and what a pain in the ass…
DL, I hope your dog is okay, and if not I’m sorry about that. It doesn’t change anything about your behavior here though.
On Austen MRAs: Mr. Collins
Deoridhe, you suck! You have, um, sneakily copied our cat avatars so as to give the impression that you’ve been here a long time! Yeah, that’s it! And you have, uh, opinions about classic literature and I haven’t actually read those two particular books but I’m sure your opinions are completely wrong.
[growls at Deoridhe. subsides when given a biscuit and rolls over for tummy rubs.]
Oh, and I really liked Jane Eyre. o.o Quiet, nerdy, bookish girl who never quite fits? Felt like me for most of my teens. I still think she should have ditched Rochester, though, especially after seeing how he treated his wife. Meh.
Yay okayish kitteh! Mine is whining at me to pay attention to him *petpets* My avatar looks like him, only he doesn’t have the lines all around him.
Ohnoes sick dog!
You can’t possible expect us to keep up a barrage of meanness in the face of biscuits. (But are they British or American biscuits?)
@cloudiah, that’s fine, I wasn’t keeping score 🙂
/offers a plate of Anzac biscuits
I like Jane Eyre (the character) too; I think the best parts of the book are the parts that are just about her and not so much about Mr. Rochester. Although I wasn’t too impressed with her plan to spend all her money taking a carriage to nowhere in particular.
*feeds katz and cloudiah biscuits and belly rubs*
I actually lurked for, like, the last year and a half to two years. And then I got a smartphone, and could comment more easily, and started wanting to say the things I was thinking in my head, and now you’re (most likely) stuck with me. So the cat was kinda deliberate ’cause I thought they were TOTALLY cute and wanted one, but I couldn’t make a rainbow one, even though I really wanted a rainbow one and I spent forever trying, so I made one that looks like my cat instead – thought now that I think of it, I could make a black and white one and color it in a graphics program….
Both British and American biscuits, and some of the American kind might actually have gravy on hem. 😯 And the British ones most likely are mostly chocolate.
And as I lurker, I promise I will only squee once if the people I’ve been a quiet fan of actually acknowledge me. (OMGOMGOMGOMGkatzandcloudiahspoketomeIneedtobreathomg!)
Also, yes. Mr. Collins is SUCH an MRA.
I was doing OK with Jane Eyre (thought Rochester was kind of a dick, but figured that times were different then) until I got to the part with the wife. Yeah, marry a guy who’s been keeping his first wife locked in the attic – what could possibly go wrong?
ALL THE BISCUITS ARE BELONG TO ME!!!
But I’ll share them with feminists.
It’s extremely odd to have hung around one place long enough to be one of the established people there.
What’s an Anzac biscuit? Is it sweet or savory?
Yeah, I know what Google is for. I already have like 6 tabs open and I’m LAZY.
Yeah, not to mention the simple fact that historically locked up wives were usually not actually mentally ill or unstable, but rather became annoying to their spouse and so were disposed of. The history of English mental illness is scary and bad and frequently evil. 8(
(Is that a good odd or a bad odd?)
Good odd.
Anzac biscuits sound a bit like oatmeal cookies. 😯 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzac_biscuit
Deoridhe, you are bad and you should feel ba–biscuit? Yes, please!
Yep, that’s them, and as a kiwi I claim sovereignty over the biscuit.
[accepts Anzac biscuit with gratitude and offers Kiwi girl’s kitty ALL THE SKRITCHES]
I think I’ve been commenting here about a year. Lurking for a few months before that. Yeah, it’s a good odd.
Must sleep now — think I’m still getting over that terrible flu. Seriously, I hope even our trolls don’t catch that, it was terrible. Did I mention it was terrible?
*feels all the biscuits?*
When it comes to mean comments on here, I think the attitude of people on here is a lot nicer than in many other places on the net. Seriously, the way people will ask others not to say horrible things about the trolls here, in spite of the hateful speech they often direct at the regulars, really warms my heart sometimes. And yeah, I had a bit of a disagreement while commenting here in my previous incarnation, but in my defense, I was having a bit of a mental breakdown at the time.
I read here to stare in fascination and horror at MRA types, learn lots of things from the comments, and laugh occasionally. Oh, and is it bad that I’ve never read Wuthering Heights in spite of being an English major? I was supposed to read Northanger Abbey, but uh, I didn’t. I do like Jane Eyre though (read it when I was twelve).