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Reddit Sh*tlords Give Other Reddit Sh*tlords Prestigious Sh*tlord Award

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Today is an auspicious day. For the Men’s Rights Subreddit, which we often write about here on Man Boobz, has won the prestigious World’s Greatest Shitlord Award. Oh, sorry, I mean it won the Subreddit of the Day award on Reddit. Which is, in this case, pretty much the same thing.

Here are some highlights from the official announcement , which I am totally not making up. No, really, you can go look. Someone – that being XavierMendel, one of the mods of r/subredditoftheday — actually wrote these things. And meant them. I AM NOT BEING SARCASTIC THIS IS REAL HOLY SHIT.

The topic at hand today takes a generous turn from our amusing and lighthearted articles of the month. On this, the last day of January, we look at something a bit more worthy to be called an article. /r/MensRights comes up a lot across reddit and, indeed, across the world as being one of the few centers for men’s help. It’s often attacked, and is always the center of one controversy or the other. My questions reflect that. MensRights is, undoubtedly, the home of great activists.

Again. I am not making this up.

There were some people close to me that suggested I not run this article. That the repercussions of doing so would be unreasonably bad. Well, here you go, people. This is my way of saying that a good reporter doesn’t care. A good reporter reports. It’s not in my job to care about consequences.

I’m not sure that Mr. Mendel quite understands the difference between “reporting” and “asskissing.”

/r/MensRights. Never in our society could the uninitiated imagine such a place. A place where feminism is questioned, and our culture is deconstructed to find what it’s really up to.

Hahaha, what? I was not aware that feminism wasn’t ever questioned on the internet, or anywhere else in “our society.” I mean, it’s not like I run a blog that features nearly 500 posts detailing people attacking feminism on the internet, most of them nastily and ignorantly and sometimes using the word “cunt,” and the vast majority of them not on Reddit. And it’s not like this only barely scratches the surface of the subject.

/r/MensRights is one of the last fortifications of free thought to exist on Reddit.

Yeah, that’s why I was banned – not for trolling or harassing or calling anyone names, but for politely if persistently disagreeing with the denizens until then-moderator ignatiusloyola threw a fit.

“Surely you jest,” one might tell me, “when you mean they’re alone in this regard?” No, hypothetical 19th century British gentleman, I do not. I truly mean it when I say that. What other subreddit openly questions feminism? None spring to mind, and I make it my duty to catalog various subreddits. Most end up banned or run down within a month. Only /r/MensRights remains.

Reddit: Bastion of Internet Feminism.

Nobody can say for sure whether or not they’re correct in any single regard. It’s certain that, due to the laws of probability, they’re not correct in every regard. However, it’s also certain that they’re correct in most of them. Occasionally a wackjob or two will suggest that feminism is behind Cinnamon Toast Crunch (The taste you can see!™). The accuser latches onto those wackjobs to denounce the whole movement.

Yeah, it’s not as if comments suggesting that a man allegedly wronged in divorce court should turn to murder got literally dozens of upvotes in r/mensrights, or anything.

Oh wait, they did.

Yeah, it’s not as if Men’s Rights Redditors gave literally hundreds of upvotes to a post about a t-shirt suggesting that men could be convicted of rape simply for being in a room alone with a woman.

Oh wait, they did.

It’s not as if Men’s Rights Redditors regularly give dozens if not hundreds of upvotes to posts from unhinged hate sites like A Voice for Men or Angry Harry,or fall all over themselves praising an internet-famous female MRA who thinks that many abused women “demand” their abuse.

It’s not as if they think “spermjacking” is a real thing in the world that should make all men think twice about ejaculating in the general vicinity of women.

It’s not like … oh, you can find many, many more examples for yourself.

After claiming that “people have died” after being called misogynists, while “nobody ever dies after being called a misandrist,” Mr. Mendel winds up his speech with this stirring conclusion:

I support the struggles of people who are in bad positions. I respect it, in a way, for I have also seen great struggle. My struggle is not over, nor will it end until my death. For I struggle with something that will not go away through legislation or social change. The Men’s Rights Movement, however, struggles with something very changeable. Very malleable, able to be fixed within a generation if so desired. So I will support them, for they have a fighting chance. …

 /r/MensRights is controversial for a reason. In the same sense as Jews of the 1890s, Irish of the 1850s, Hispanics of the 1350s, and many more. Each generation has their controversial improvement in society. We’ve gotten off easy so far, but we have to make it happen eventually. As far back as anyone living can remember, the table has been imbalanced in one way or another, favoring men or women. It’s time the table stays level for once. We need equality.

And that’s what /r/MensRights is trying to do.

Oy yoy yoy. There’s so much ridiculousness to unpack there that it makes me tired. I think I’ll go take a nap.

Mr. Mendel followed his stirring introduction with some questions for the denizens of r/mensrights. And there was some discussion. I can’t even. Not right now. I’ll get to all that in a future post.

In the meantime, Skepchick’s Rebecca Watson – who has been on the receiving end of r/menrights’ heroic activism more than once —  has her own reaction to the Men’s Rights is the Subreddit of the Day announcement.

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katz
11 years ago

Cheatress?

katz
11 years ago

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

I think cheatress is supposed to mean cheater, not really sure why it has to be gendered though…

But whatever, yeah, her options are to stop fucking him or let him continue to abuse her, obvious thing is obvious? Not sure it’s really that simple, but yes, those are the obvious options (not sure it’s that simple because of things like blackmail, but since she doesn’t mention that, probably not relevant)

And this is totally not the thread for “but why didn’t you leave?”

Gametime
11 years ago

Therefore, as long as she satisfies his needs he has no incentive to be concerned with her needs nor to stop treating her so bad.

Discussing abuse in the context of “incentives” for abusers to stop abusing is really fucking gross, fyi.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Yeah there’s that, and fuck, even if she does stop “satisfying his needs”, that’s only going to make him more abusive, not less (in my experience anyways)

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Also, humbly, can we take this to the proper thread? It’s over this way — http://manboobz.com/2013/01/28/the-mens-rights-subreddit-a-net-exporter-of-hate/

katz
11 years ago

I think cheatress is supposed to mean cheater, not really sure why it has to be gendered though…

Of course, it’s just such an obvious (and obnoxious) way to demonstrate that, in your mind, the individual is defined by two traits: Cheating and being female.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
11 years ago

Just to update everyone, I bought the Lamb Chop pattern. It was stuck in my head and I knew it wouldn’t leave until I bought it.

Also, this is factually incorrect:

I’ve noticed that anyone who disagrees with the particular interpretation of feminism(along with overall socio-political paradigm) is conveniently branded a *Troll*.

Apparently you don’t understand either feminism or Marxism.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

katz — I appear to have misread your confusion again, thinking it was straight confusion when you were having confusion (or at least a head tilting owl) of wtf? nature. I apologize and shall retreat to the corner of shame!

I really must learn how to interpret head tilting owls! (Wtf is this nonsense? Wtf do you mean? Wtf does Argenti have a working brain…)

katz
11 years ago

Lamb Chop was stuck in your head?

katz
11 years ago

Argenti, it was supposed to be a “did you seriously just use the word ‘cheatress?'” owl. But head-tilting owls are indeed ambiguous. We’d better return to stable-headed owls instead.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
11 years ago

LOL, you evil person! I see your video and raise you Mouth and MacNeal. The chorus can be sung ad infinitum (as I did, as a child, in the car, to my parents’ annoyance).

Bwhahahahaaha

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

I am so glad Purple Star came here to clarify their thoughts and display their ignorance. I feel truly blessed to have been here for it.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
11 years ago

@katz, there was a link to Sexual Marmite in your second video clip. I looked. I wish I hadn’t.

katz
11 years ago

There was? I…have no idea what that is about.

Some Gal Not Bored at All

As I pointed out last time when Purple Star said

And the biggest irony is that the guy she was cheating on got away with domestic violence against her because she kept coming back and giving him exactly what he wants: sex!

he doesn’t just want sex. If he did, he wouldn’t abuse her. He wants to abuse. So, by continuing to blame her for “giving him what he wants,” you are blaming her for giving him the ability to abuse her. That is victim-blaming.

And please let’s not pretend that she can stay or go are somehow equal or easy choices. I can stay with or leave the boyfriend as well, but I am both financially dependent and disabled. (I also don’t want to leave, but that is irrelevant here.) We have no idea how the choices of the ABUSE VICTIM may be constrained. It is almost unthinkable that they are completely unconstrained. So don’t pull “she can stay or go” especially while implying that, if she stays, she is somehow then responsible for the actions of her abuser.

(This is my second try posting this, I dealt with Purple Star’s bullshit last time, and I am almost out of spoons so apologies if something is unclear or oversimplified.)

clairedammit
clairedammit
11 years ago

Although, could we substitute “asshat” for “dickhead” for a non-gendered insult?

Or shitwaffle!

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Thanks for that marmite warning!

katz — Rotate your Owl! Yes, always a good fallback owl! Still, sorry if my attempt at clarification came off sounding like a know-it-all.

And I’m still going to the corner of shame, cuz I left my violin over there and have a date with some dead composers 🙂

Some Gal Not Bored at All

Yay for Lamb Chop and owls. Is anyone here familiar with Lamb Chop’s Nutcracker Suite? I grew up with it and alway sing the words in my head whenever I hear the music.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=qCtFKP79LRI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqCtFKP79LRI

cloudiah
11 years ago

It is true that we use the term “troll” differently here than it is used elsewhere. If you prefer, The PurpleStar, I can just call you an asswaffle.

katz, I loved that first owl. (I loved the 2nd one too, but I had seen it before.)

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Some Gal — that was clearer than my attempt at guessing why she might stay!

Some Gal Not Bored at All

@Argenti

Thanks. I just hate when victim blamers try to pull the “I am not blaming the victim for how they were victimized, I’m just blaming them for this thing that cannot be separated from it.” It is one if the things that makes me really angry because it is either thoughtless while pretending to be thoughtful or dishonest while pretending some momentous truth-telling. Ugh.

katz
11 years ago

Lamb Chop was the only show I was allowed to watch as a kid. We went over to a friend’s house to watch it. So much nostalgia!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

I loved Animal Farm right away, but a. I read it of my own free will and b. I already had a geeky interest in communist history, so I had fun playing Spot That Historical Allegory. 1984 is a better book overall, I think, but Animal Farm is a great intro to Orwell.

@ Falconer

Far From the Madding Crowd is a much, much more interesting book than Jude the Obscure. Still depressing, but more interesting.

RE Wool alternatives for people who’re allergic (represent!), I love the Babysoft sweaters from French Connection. Warm, not too heavy, and not itchy at all even for people like me who’re such babies that even cashmere causes us pain.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
11 years ago

I really like the Lion Brand and Mary Maxim acrylics as I find them nice to knit and wear. So far, I’m not impressed with Red Heart Super Saver as it feels really harsh, but I’m only making a snuggle sack thing in it for partner, in camo and brown. 🙂

I now have a zucchini loaf in the oven, so that has dealt to the free zucchini I got from a work colleague. It also has sultanas in the recipe, it really is looking like a carrot cake copy. I think the recipe is American, as it has called for oil and not butter.

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