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A Voice for Men: we’ll support women in combat only if the proper percentage of women get killed.

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Woman officially not in combat role.

As everyone reading this blog no doubt already knows, feminists have hailed the Pentagon’s decision to open combat jobs to women, which will allow women the same opportunities to serve as men. The decision is also a backhanded acknowledgement that, for all intents and purposes, women are serving in combat today already. (Congresswoman Tammy Duckworth lost both of her legs in combat in Iraq – but officially, what she was engaged in wasn’t combat.)

It seems inevitable that, as a result of this decision, young women will be required to sign up for selective service alongside men. While virtually all feminists I know oppose the draft, most agree that as long as registration is going to be required, it should be required for both men and women. Indeed, when selective service was reinstated in 1981, the National Organization for Women brought a lawsuit demanding this sort of equality.

Reaction amongst Men’s Rightsers to the Pentagon’s announcement has been mixed. Some have welcomed the change, as a “what’s good for the goose” acknowledgement of equal rights and responsibilities. Others, like most of the regulars on The Spearhead, predict catastrophe, as inherently unqualified women are sent to the front lines. Regular Spearhead commenter Uncle Elmer joked:

After this experiment runs its course, how many men will have died while bringing tampon supplies up to the front?

Can anyone tell me the additional garbage load from tampon-related issues on all-women submarines? Could a mission fail if some gal flushed her tampon down the toilet instead of following the proper mil-spec procedure?

But the most telling reaction has come from A Voice for Men, which in an editorial suggested that it would only support the move if women were required to die as often as men.

No, really. Here’s what the editorialist, presumably site founder Paul Elam, wrote:

AVFM supports the spirit of the new Pentagon Directive …  However, any blanket approval of the new measure thus far would be premature. …

[T]he only way this new policy will have any meaning will be if it is mandatory that women face combat on the front lines. With 20% of the military being comprised of women, that means roughly 20% of combat related fatalities should be female. 1 in 5 of body bags being filled overseas should contain the bodies of mothers, sisters, daughters, wives and girlfriends.

AVFM isn’t alone in hoping that one result of the Pentagon’s new policy will be increased injury and death for women. On his blog the self-designated “counter-feminist agent of change” Fidelbogen quoted – with a weird sort of semi-approval – one comment from an unknown person he says he found online:

I know this isn’t a laughing matter but this is pretty fucking sweet. Now those very same women who complain about how hard childbirth is get to experience real pain and misery by getting their arms blown off by enemy fire or their legs blown off by mines. Or getting infections when they have to stay at their post for days at a time without taking a bath. Those same women who say all men are rapists can now see what real rape is when they are taken as POW’s and gang-raped by foreign men at gun point and passed around like a piece of meat and then their heads blown off when they are done. This is real war ladies, are you ready for your cup of true equality?

In the comments on AVFM, meanwhile one Rick Westlake helped to make clearer the vindictive subtext of the AVFM’s editorial, suggesting that the Pentagon’s decision could be good for men if it served to

rub …  some high-ratcheted, ‘entitled/empowered’ noses in the misandric, disposable-male double standard of the Selective Service system.

Our current society, including our military, makes mock of ‘equality’ by divorcing ‘opportunity’ from ‘consequences,’ ‘choices’ from ‘costs,’ and ‘benefits’ from ‘responsibility.’ Princesses are awarded all of the opportunities, choices and benefits and are excused from all the responsibility, costs and consequences. ‘Draft-pigs,’ meaning men, are made to shoulder all those dirty, nasty, dangerous and demeaning responsibilities, consequences and costs on behalf of the Entitled Empowered Princesses.

Putting women on the combat line would be disastrous for the military … But the fact remains, enough Princesses have clamored for the ‘opportunities and benefits’ of serving in the front line, heedless of the consequences and the costs.

By requiring Princesses to register for Selective Service, before they can claim the benefits that ‘draft-pigs’ can only receive if they’ve registered – and by declaring them liable for the same fines and penalties as the draft-pigs, if they don’t – we at least remind them that freedom isn’t free, that choices have costs, and that true equality includes responsibility and consequences.

I can already hear the thin, reedy screeches from the Princesses. Fine. Let them learn what it is to hump 35-pound fifty-cal ammo cans to feed Ma Deuce in a firefight. Or let them scuttle back to the home and the hearth, and give thanks for (and to) the Brave Men who will defend them.

Elam himself echoed this vindictive “let them eat equality” stance in a sneering comment posted under his own name suggesting that in the wake of the Pentagon’s new policy plenty of women won’t find the “aroma” of equality to

be so sweet … This is what feminism was always about, and now, after three waves, the chickens are going to come home to roost. Because feminism never was about anything but creating tax paying, laboring, consuming, bleeding and dying servants to the masters of corporatocracy.

They lured women in with visions of corner offices and autonomy, and now that they have fully taken the bait, the doors are going to be slammed behind them and locked. They will be left to languish in their “freedom” as corporate wage slaves, and when needed they will be forced to contribute to the rivers of blood required to keep it going.

NOW and others will likely succeed in keeping the last part “optional” for while, but it won’t last.

The grand daughters of today’s college woman is as fucked as any man in history.

To which every feminist I know would say: bring it on. Feminists are well aware that equality, along with its many benefits, brings certain costs.  Putting more women into combat roles means, inevitably, that more women will be injured or killed. The feminists supporting the Pentagon’s decision are aware of this. Unlike many MRAs, though, they look at combat injuries and deaths as one of the sad but inevitable consequences of war — not as something to rub anyone’s face into.

Here’s a hint to any MRAs who think that either AVFM or the more blatantly sadistic commenter quoted by Fidelbogen has a point: Civil Rights activism is about uplifting everyone, not making others “pay.”

When the American civil rights movement took up the issue of voting rights, civil rights activists demanded that black people be allowed to vote without harassment or other obstacles like “literacy tests” standing in their way.

Civil rights activists didn’t demand that whites be kept from voting.

The Civil Rights movement called for historically all-white colleges to be opened up to blacks. It didn’t call for white people to be banned from these colleges too.

This is how you can tell that the Men’s Rights movement, as it stands today, is not a true civil rights movement. Because insofar as it is about anything other than complaining about (and sometimes harassing) feminists and women in general, it’s about tearing down rather than building up.

Instead of trying to build domestic violence shelters and other services for men, for example, the MRM is more interested in defunding shelters for women – even when their efforts in this area directly harm male victims.

It’s telling that when Father’s Rights activist Glenn Sacks had an issue with the advertisements being run by one DV shelter, he encouraged his followers to bombard the shelter’s donors with phone calls in order to cripple the shelter’s fundraising efforts – even though the shelter in question also provides services for men. It’s telling as well that MRAs rail endlessly against the Violence Against Women Act, and have celebrated Republican opposition to it – even though the act is officially gender neutral in everything but its name, and would provide funding for men’s shelters if MRAs got off their asses to build any.

Instead of fighting for the rights of male victims of rape, the Men’s Rights movement is more interested in downplaying the rape of women, wildly exaggerating the number of “false rape accusations,” and in endless discussions about whether or not having sex with women incapacitated with drinks or drugs is really rape. All of these things contribute to a “rape culture” that harms male victims of rape as well as female.

Not that most MRAs actually care about male victims of rape except as a debating point — perhaps because that would require acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of their rapists are other men.  (MRAs do get outraged in the rare cases in which women are the culprits.) The group that does more than any other to fight for male rape victims is the anti-prison rape group Just Detention. Try to find even a mention of this group on any of the leading Men’s Rights sites. (The only mention of the group on AVFM is a comment in a post attacking a feminist writer noting that it isn’t part of the Men’s Rights movement.)

There are endless other examples, because this is in essence the way that the so-called “Men’s Rights” movement does business.

When you take a certain pleasure in the notion of women being “made to pay” or otherwise harmed when they seek equality, you’re about as much of a civil rights movement as the Klan.

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The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Photopastiche is done! New face template and all. That kitty looks juuuuuuust like Mimsie (which shows what a commonplace tuxedo she is, lol).

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Carp pox, sounds fun, sounds less sadly than Ich at least. Can ponds get that? If so, keep malachite green on hand katz, Ich is nothing to play around with.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Faking autocorrect! Less deadly than Ich is what that should say.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

…fucking autocorrect…and now I give up and go back to Criminal Minds.

DLColvin
8 years ago

Yes.. Ponds get ich. Ich is allllways in water.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Lol, well, unless you’re of the “it can’t survive without an active infection” school! (FTR, I think those people are idiots)

Shows how little I know about ponds in practice.

Gods I hate Ich, 78~ degree tank with scaleless fish? It reproduces goddamned fast and I have to half the malachite dose and fuck do I hate racing against time. Katz, I’m lost damned near an entire tank thanks to having to wait a day to pick up malachite green, this is why I’m entirely in favor of keeping some on hand, even a one day delay just isn’t worth the risk. (Nasty nasty parasite, I like to call it fish ebola, though I guess fish SJS might be more accurate…in any case, Ich is icky)

lowquacks
lowquacks
8 years ago

@Kittehs

Aah. I assumed remembered “hydrographic charts” and assumed that hydrographic offices were a pretty common thing to have, because, hey, even Wollongong has one.

Odd place, that office – probably not wise to say too much, but it’s an open secret that they’ve got veeeery strong connections of some type the general public aren’t to know about to ASIS and/or ASIO.

Anecdote time: when I was about 12, I was in an enrichment class for the academically gifted run on a shoestring budget by two fantastic teachers. It was a one-day-a-week thing we’d head to another school for, with a fantastically customisable and transparent syllabus focusing on arts, history, and basic science. We got to design our own class projects using Bloom’s Taxonomy and probably spent more days on excursions to whichever local institution would have us than we did in classrooms.

Being a darling group of about twenty11-12yo nerd kids led by a respectable young schoolteacher and a genteel Mr Rogers type with a good mind for negotiation and preparation got us into all sorts of places – bits of hospitals, bowels of the local library, university and conservatorium research bits, mayor’s office, the archives of an art gallery, grounded military aircraft at a local airport, Lucas Heights Nuclear Reactor. . . but on the day we were to visit the hydrographic office, which we’d checked about ahead of time, something big had happened and we were kept out on the grounds that we could be a terrorist threat.

Sorry about the delayed reply, was playing jazzed-up trivial pursuit with the family.

lowquacks
lowquacks
8 years ago

@Kitteh

I’m in a flood-danger zone (just up a slight hill from a creek) but it’s barely even the normal flooding that the creek does. I think the floods are a bit further north than I am.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Glad to hear that, lowquacks. I had a text from my sister, they’re okay but the phone/internet connection is really weak where they are. It’s a relief to know she’s all right.

Interesting about Hydro! Makes sense, they are part of the RAN after all. Geez I hope the spooks are more competent than the corrections office there, though. The number of times we (and probably all the other correcting agents around the country) have to either fix their stuff-ups on the tracings we’re using or ring ’em and say “Hey, you fucked it up again.” (My boss loves doing that.)

lowquacks
lowquacks
8 years ago

So are the people in the corrections office “correctional officers”?

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

BWAHAHA I hope not!

Their system’s gone so downhill it’s laughable. They used to have hand-drawn tracings, which were fine (this being tracing sheets showing precisely where a particular correction is placed). Then the person who made ’em left and they had some poor schmuck filling in who couldn’t even write legibly. Then they went to electronically produced tracings, which are clearer, but have The. Most. Mistakes. I have ever seen on any. We do British and NZ corrections for their chart stocks too, so get to compare, and the Oz ones are just embarrasin’. (HEY KIWI GIRL NZ CHARTS ARE THE COOLEST.) I mean, getting lat and long lines wrong, or putting in nonexistent symbols or soundings, or … sheesh.

lowquacks
lowquacks
8 years ago

So you get original data from… satellites? Radio? And then correct it based on… ? One of my best friends’ dads works at the hydrographic office, but I’ve still no clue what goes on there really.

pecunium
8 years ago

Back to the OP: “I can already hear the thin, reedy screeches from the Princesses. Fine. Let them learn what it is to hump 35-pound fifty-cal ammo cans to feed Ma Deuce in a firefight.”

Ah, the jaded tones of the internet tough guy. It sounds like Army-speak. It even has some of the same words, but it’s nonsense.

“Hump” equals to carry.

Ma-Deuce = .50 BMG.

Firefight, well we all know what that means.

But…. The fifty-cal is a large weapon. It is a belt-fed tripod, or pintle<a href> mounted machine gun, meant to be used to “Defend against low-flying hostile aircraft, support the infantryman in both attack and defense, destroy lightly armored vehicles, provide protection for motor movements, vehicle parks and train bivouacs, and reconnaissance by fire on suspected enemy positions” (US Army Study Guide). It is usually <a href -http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100527000929/military/images/3/33/Ord_m2_mounted_lance_lg.jpgmounted on a vehicle, or aircraft.

No one is “humping ammo to feed Ma Deuce in a firefight”. First, the gun has a 105 round ammo can. It has a, relatively, slow rate of fire (the cylic rate of fire is 450-550 rounds per minute, depending on the weapon, and conditional factors). The two normal rates of automatic fire are less than 40 rounds per minute and about 60 rounds per minute.

If a spare can is needed, there is one ready to hand to the gunner. If a third is needed the gunner calls down, the can is positioned, the gunner drops down, and moves it up to place. The gunner does this because the hatch is too small to permit two people to stand in it (esp. when in full battle rattle).

Because of how the weapon is used, ammo is rarely very far from it. If there is a fight long enough to need any one to move an ammo can more than a few feet, it’s not a firefight, it’s battle.

But these days, even the light-machine guns spend most of their time near a vehicle, so no one is stuck humping an extra bag, or two, of ammo (the SAW has three configurations for ammo, a 200 rd plastic box, an 100 rd fabric bag, and (heaven help you if you need it) the ability to fire from a standard M-16/C7/SA-2 magazine.

So, barring one being in a Ranger Batt, the 10th Mtn, or the 7th ID, no one is (outside of training) walking around with everything on their backs. The US Army is very much a mechanised force. Anyone who is in one of those units will be able to do what Elam thinks is so onerous.

Hell, in training I spent time with weigh to much on my back (I think the most I ever had to hump was an extra 82 lbs, for about eight miles. I was in much better shape then). Standard kit for a field problem ends up at about 60 lbs, and always has (from Rome to the present). For short periods (a patrol, to a couple of days) it might get up to 80 lbs. More than that and some form of transport has to be use, even if it’s all “Super Troopers”.

So this dude took some jargon he heard in a movie, and tried to use it, to show how weak the women are, and looks stupid. Not that Elam stepping on his dick in the course of his machoistic posturing is new.

pecunium
8 years ago

katz: Good luck with the pond. If you get smaller fish you might want to get some netting, or herons have been known to come eat them. It’s also a good idea to train them to move away from the edge when someone approaches, or raccoons will eat them.

I always wanted to put a pond in. I like ponds.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Katz, my friend in Pasadena gave up on his fish pond because of raccoons. So definitely have a raccoon plan in place.

whataboutthemoonz
8 years ago

I’m pretty sure my backpack weighs thirty five pounds on days when I have back to back classes and I can’t switch out textbooks.

Seriously, thirty five pounds is like… nothing.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

@Kitteh, these guys do a lot of our hydro charting: http://www.navy.mil.nz/visit-the-base/rnzn-college/branch/hydro-school.htm 🙂

katz
8 years ago

If you get smaller fish you might want to get some netting, or herons have been known to come eat them. It’s also a good idea to train them to move away from the edge when someone approaches, or raccoons will eat them.

Raccoons are obnoxious, but I couldn’t be too upset if my fish attracted herons, because herons are awesome. *Reminds self to check off green herons on my birdwatching list*

With large fish like koi, I’m more concerned that they might eat or out-compete native species that come to the pond, especially amphibians.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Kiwi girl, that’s a great link! Our charts and the notices come from Land Information NZ, which gets a mention in it.

lowquacks – I don’t know what they do at Hydro either, I’ve never been there. I know the Admiralty takes things more seriously; they audited their chart agents around the world a few years back, actually coming out to check everyone’s work. Hydro … pfft, they can’t even pack the bloody charts without bashing the edges, and they sent us an invoice with only the odd pages the other week! 😀

If you ever see a chart, it’ll have something about data from the latest surveys being used. What that doesn’t tell you is that the latest survey might have been Captain Cook’s … which isn’t as bad as it sounds, because he was a remarkably accurate surveyor!

Meh, time to rush off to work. Later!

DLColvin
8 years ago

Raccoons. Hate em. I have dogs so they aren’t a worry now, but in the past.. Arrrrgh! Stray dogs are just as bad, too.

I haven’t had any visits by native species unless you count birds and bees. I’m in southern California, btw. I was hoping for at least a tree toad.

Upland has this awesome koi store called mystical koi that is so worth the visit, and since you’re in the Lala land area, I hope you give it a look. all 7 of mine came from there.

My goldfish happen to be rescued from a relative that got sick of taking care of em. theyre big, too. Even though they started out a feeders, he did an impressive job. Been a while since I counted them.

Falconer
8 years ago

(heaven help you if you need it) the ability to fire from a standard M-16/C7/SA-2 magazine.

And I thought the BAR sounded under-fed.

I expect the Army manual answer for “What to do if you have to fire this weapon and all you have are 20-round magazines” starts with “Endeavor to avoid this situation.” Except not, because professionals.

katz
8 years ago

Wow. Those are some expensive koi.

Yeah, I’d be mad if a heron ate that.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

whataboutthemoonz — my HS had a contest to see who carried the heaviest backpack, dude who won weighed in at ~40 pounds — and he wasn’t padding the bag (it was a proper backpack though, the hiking kind not a school bag). So yeah, yours may well top 35 and 35 is indeed flippin’ nothing and I really want to hand Elam 6 gallons and say “carry those upstairs and drop them by the 55g tank please” …I should do that soon, the upstairs tanks need a top off…

Pecunium — of course poor baby Internet warrior couldn’t be arsed to use the googles >.<

Looks like a standard file box comes in at 30~35 — secretaries lug around just as much in other words, often in heels! (Anyone else here thinking Elam’d break something trying to walk across a room in heels? Forget while carrying his dreaded 35 pounds? XD )

DLColvin
8 years ago

40 pounds? That’s it? I once carried 100, for a backpacking badge in girl scouts, but I was what 12? I think it was 100 pounds. I mean, it was everybody’s food, in can form. I didn’t weight it my self.

katz
8 years ago

40 lbs for a school backpack, not for backpacking.

thebewilderness
8 years ago

Great Blue Heron standing in the dinky little pond maybe eight foot across having goldfish for lunch. It was a sight.
They are solitary feeders so I got a heron statue and stuck it out by the pond and they haven’t been back.

pecunium
8 years ago

Falconer: And I thought the BAR sounded under-fed.

Well, a 30 rd mag is better than the BAR 20 rd. 🙂

The problem isn’t the quantity, it’s the rate, and not for the reason one might think. The cycle of action is so fast that after about 4 rds, the spring on the magazine (even when brand new) can’t keep up with the bolt, and one has to either engage in immediate action to reload it, or clear a jam.

In point of fact the TM does say, in effect, endeavor to avoid this situation. If you are running that low the thing to do is have someone else collect spent links and stuff them with cartridges.

pecunium
8 years ago

Re the “35 lbs” issue. It’s not as trivial as the raw weight makes it look.

1: It’s a dense, and awkward package.
2: It’s 35 lbs, in addition to everything else. Assume the soldier has stripped to her (or his) basic combat load and battle rattle.

In that case they are lugging an extra 45 lbs already. In that 45 lbs is a rifle; which is awkward to move out the way to grab that can and run over [while being shot at, so one is probably crouching] and get up to the gunner in her mount; so it’s got to be hoisted up above the soldier’s head, while dealing with armor, helmet, grenades, rifle.

It’s not undoable, but it’s not trivial. It’s also something women have been doing for the past 10 years (and more) because .50 cals are not limited to line units, and I know more than a few women who have used/maintained them.

I’d like to see Elam actually try to do that, i.e. put one in order to fire; from field stripped to functional.

pecunium
8 years ago

katz: At 28 inches that’s a good price, and safe from herons. Not raccoons.

What the people I know who were keeping pricey koi did was always feed in the middle of the pond. When someone came to the edge of the water, the koi moved several feet away.

For viewing they had a miniature moon bridge, which meant the raccoons still had no way to get at the fish in the water.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Had the pleasure of building a moon bridge for a play, they aren’t that complex and can be painted quite nice, seems a lovely way to prevent raccoons!

Pecunium’s point 1 there is highly relevant, there’s a world of difference between a stage weight and a backpack! Combined with the specific military aspects this seems very awkward, dangerous, and entirely beyond Elam’s skill.

DLColvin
8 years ago

Koi are cheaper when they are smaller. I paid 12 dollars for each of mine, that just isn’t listed on the website.

Koi ponds tend to be at least 2ft deep.. That helps with the predator problem. Provide a lot of hiding spots, too.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Synaesthesia has always sounded like something I’m glad not to have. I mean, I already have to keep track of two different worlds, so to speak. If I had other sensory data getting involved, I’d be even more constantly distracted!

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Same here (as in, happy not to have it). I’m rather intrigued by the possibility of it relating to seeing auras, though. I don’t see them at all. Mind you, I’d be pretty pissed off if I saw spirits as light as some people do. Boring! I’d rather what I have now, the peripheral vision of the mind.

pecunium
8 years ago

Crap: I forgot to say the battle rattle inhibits movement (one can’t bend as well), and restricts range of motion in the arms.

I’d wager most female soldiers can do it better than Elam.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

@pecunium backwards and in high heels, when they become military issue. 🙂

pecunium
8 years ago

Kiwi girl. Nah. We don’t do the “Ginger Rogers” to female troops.

For those who wonder what “battle rattle” looks like:

<a href -http://www.flickr.com/photos/pecunium/3192796856/sizes/o/in/set-72157605982702933/Me, March 2003

I am not wearing my body armor. You ca justt see the JLIST Bag on my back, which had my chemical warfare gear in it. That gear was about 30 lbs.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Pecunium, that’s a comment a female dancer made to Fred Astaire — she did everything he did, backwards and in high heels.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

…which you understood and I need more coffee, don’t mind me! *dances backwards out of the thread in high heels*

Lol, I can walk backwards in 4″ heels, I’d love to see Elam try that. We can start him small, I have a lovely pair of herringbone kitten heels!

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Argenti

Yeah, it was Ginger Rogers, which Pecunium mentioned. He knows. 😉

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Ninja’ed? Hi LBT 🙂

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

hmm… I think Argenti did get my point, as in “Elam *still* wouldn’t be as good as female soldiers even if they were handicapped by stupid gear and other restrictions”

Although maybe you did take it that way, if so I could have used a /wink after your comment to let me know! 🙂

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Kiwi Girl — yeah, I got that, and really want to see him try it in heels, just because I see him ending up in the ER/A&E with a sprained ankle (at best)

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

Thanks Argenti, I now have an image of Elam in heels. You owe me mind bleach!!!

pecunium
8 years ago

Kiwi girl: I did get it that way.

Elam isn’t fit to polish their boots*.

*which are no longer polished… you do the math.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Baby sloth brain bleach?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Only thing Elam is fit for is latrine duty, though, maybe not even that. Whatever would he do if he found bloody TP or, horror of horrors, a used feminine hygiene product??

Ok, the latter doesn’t really belong in most latrines, but bloody TP while changing them must happen, even in the military (probably more so, given the odds of other sorts of bleeding are rather increased)

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

sooooooooooooo cute 🙂

pecunium: sweet.

pecunium
8 years ago

Latrine duty isn’t that bad. It consists of either digging one, or filling one in.

For digging we have backhoes. For filling in, we have shovels.

I can’t really think of any duty he is suited for.

Body armor test dummy? It’s bruising, but not fatal (assuming the body armor is functionally designed).

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Filing must smell horrible though, particularly considering the climate of our current war(s) — I’ve done diaper trash in August, it’s right up there with weeks old kitchen garbage, can’t imagine latrines smell any better!

They use human test dummies? I’d have figured it was a standard test dummy with the pressure gauge sticker things.

pecunium
8 years ago

Argenti: No, we don’t use human test dummies. But if he wants to volunteer, Dragonskin and SecondChance do use people for dramatic demonstrations.