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A Voice for Men: we’ll support women in combat only if the proper percentage of women get killed.

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Woman officially not in combat role.

As everyone reading this blog no doubt already knows, feminists have hailed the Pentagon’s decision to open combat jobs to women, which will allow women the same opportunities to serve as men. The decision is also a backhanded acknowledgement that, for all intents and purposes, women are serving in combat today already. (Congresswoman Tammy Duckworth lost both of her legs in combat in Iraq – but officially, what she was engaged in wasn’t combat.)

It seems inevitable that, as a result of this decision, young women will be required to sign up for selective service alongside men. While virtually all feminists I know oppose the draft, most agree that as long as registration is going to be required, it should be required for both men and women. Indeed, when selective service was reinstated in 1981, the National Organization for Women brought a lawsuit demanding this sort of equality.

Reaction amongst Men’s Rightsers to the Pentagon’s announcement has been mixed. Some have welcomed the change, as a “what’s good for the goose” acknowledgement of equal rights and responsibilities. Others, like most of the regulars on The Spearhead, predict catastrophe, as inherently unqualified women are sent to the front lines. Regular Spearhead commenter Uncle Elmer joked:

After this experiment runs its course, how many men will have died while bringing tampon supplies up to the front?

Can anyone tell me the additional garbage load from tampon-related issues on all-women submarines? Could a mission fail if some gal flushed her tampon down the toilet instead of following the proper mil-spec procedure?

But the most telling reaction has come from A Voice for Men, which in an editorial suggested that it would only support the move if women were required to die as often as men.

No, really. Here’s what the editorialist, presumably site founder Paul Elam, wrote:

AVFM supports the spirit of the new Pentagon Directive …  However, any blanket approval of the new measure thus far would be premature. …

[T]he only way this new policy will have any meaning will be if it is mandatory that women face combat on the front lines. With 20% of the military being comprised of women, that means roughly 20% of combat related fatalities should be female. 1 in 5 of body bags being filled overseas should contain the bodies of mothers, sisters, daughters, wives and girlfriends.

AVFM isn’t alone in hoping that one result of the Pentagon’s new policy will be increased injury and death for women. On his blog the self-designated “counter-feminist agent of change” Fidelbogen quoted – with a weird sort of semi-approval – one comment from an unknown person he says he found online:

I know this isn’t a laughing matter but this is pretty fucking sweet. Now those very same women who complain about how hard childbirth is get to experience real pain and misery by getting their arms blown off by enemy fire or their legs blown off by mines. Or getting infections when they have to stay at their post for days at a time without taking a bath. Those same women who say all men are rapists can now see what real rape is when they are taken as POW’s and gang-raped by foreign men at gun point and passed around like a piece of meat and then their heads blown off when they are done. This is real war ladies, are you ready for your cup of true equality?

In the comments on AVFM, meanwhile one Rick Westlake helped to make clearer the vindictive subtext of the AVFM’s editorial, suggesting that the Pentagon’s decision could be good for men if it served to

rub …  some high-ratcheted, ‘entitled/empowered’ noses in the misandric, disposable-male double standard of the Selective Service system.

Our current society, including our military, makes mock of ‘equality’ by divorcing ‘opportunity’ from ‘consequences,’ ‘choices’ from ‘costs,’ and ‘benefits’ from ‘responsibility.’ Princesses are awarded all of the opportunities, choices and benefits and are excused from all the responsibility, costs and consequences. ‘Draft-pigs,’ meaning men, are made to shoulder all those dirty, nasty, dangerous and demeaning responsibilities, consequences and costs on behalf of the Entitled Empowered Princesses.

Putting women on the combat line would be disastrous for the military … But the fact remains, enough Princesses have clamored for the ‘opportunities and benefits’ of serving in the front line, heedless of the consequences and the costs.

By requiring Princesses to register for Selective Service, before they can claim the benefits that ‘draft-pigs’ can only receive if they’ve registered – and by declaring them liable for the same fines and penalties as the draft-pigs, if they don’t – we at least remind them that freedom isn’t free, that choices have costs, and that true equality includes responsibility and consequences.

I can already hear the thin, reedy screeches from the Princesses. Fine. Let them learn what it is to hump 35-pound fifty-cal ammo cans to feed Ma Deuce in a firefight. Or let them scuttle back to the home and the hearth, and give thanks for (and to) the Brave Men who will defend them.

Elam himself echoed this vindictive “let them eat equality” stance in a sneering comment posted under his own name suggesting that in the wake of the Pentagon’s new policy plenty of women won’t find the “aroma” of equality to

be so sweet … This is what feminism was always about, and now, after three waves, the chickens are going to come home to roost. Because feminism never was about anything but creating tax paying, laboring, consuming, bleeding and dying servants to the masters of corporatocracy.

They lured women in with visions of corner offices and autonomy, and now that they have fully taken the bait, the doors are going to be slammed behind them and locked. They will be left to languish in their “freedom” as corporate wage slaves, and when needed they will be forced to contribute to the rivers of blood required to keep it going.

NOW and others will likely succeed in keeping the last part “optional” for while, but it won’t last.

The grand daughters of today’s college woman is as fucked as any man in history.

To which every feminist I know would say: bring it on. Feminists are well aware that equality, along with its many benefits, brings certain costs.  Putting more women into combat roles means, inevitably, that more women will be injured or killed. The feminists supporting the Pentagon’s decision are aware of this. Unlike many MRAs, though, they look at combat injuries and deaths as one of the sad but inevitable consequences of war — not as something to rub anyone’s face into.

Here’s a hint to any MRAs who think that either AVFM or the more blatantly sadistic commenter quoted by Fidelbogen has a point: Civil Rights activism is about uplifting everyone, not making others “pay.”

When the American civil rights movement took up the issue of voting rights, civil rights activists demanded that black people be allowed to vote without harassment or other obstacles like “literacy tests” standing in their way.

Civil rights activists didn’t demand that whites be kept from voting.

The Civil Rights movement called for historically all-white colleges to be opened up to blacks. It didn’t call for white people to be banned from these colleges too.

This is how you can tell that the Men’s Rights movement, as it stands today, is not a true civil rights movement. Because insofar as it is about anything other than complaining about (and sometimes harassing) feminists and women in general, it’s about tearing down rather than building up.

Instead of trying to build domestic violence shelters and other services for men, for example, the MRM is more interested in defunding shelters for women – even when their efforts in this area directly harm male victims.

It’s telling that when Father’s Rights activist Glenn Sacks had an issue with the advertisements being run by one DV shelter, he encouraged his followers to bombard the shelter’s donors with phone calls in order to cripple the shelter’s fundraising efforts – even though the shelter in question also provides services for men. It’s telling as well that MRAs rail endlessly against the Violence Against Women Act, and have celebrated Republican opposition to it – even though the act is officially gender neutral in everything but its name, and would provide funding for men’s shelters if MRAs got off their asses to build any.

Instead of fighting for the rights of male victims of rape, the Men’s Rights movement is more interested in downplaying the rape of women, wildly exaggerating the number of “false rape accusations,” and in endless discussions about whether or not having sex with women incapacitated with drinks or drugs is really rape. All of these things contribute to a “rape culture” that harms male victims of rape as well as female.

Not that most MRAs actually care about male victims of rape except as a debating point — perhaps because that would require acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of their rapists are other men.  (MRAs do get outraged in the rare cases in which women are the culprits.) The group that does more than any other to fight for male rape victims is the anti-prison rape group Just Detention. Try to find even a mention of this group on any of the leading Men’s Rights sites. (The only mention of the group on AVFM is a comment in a post attacking a feminist writer noting that it isn’t part of the Men’s Rights movement.)

There are endless other examples, because this is in essence the way that the so-called “Men’s Rights” movement does business.

When you take a certain pleasure in the notion of women being “made to pay” or otherwise harmed when they seek equality, you’re about as much of a civil rights movement as the Klan.

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DLColvin
8 years ago

I support this move by the Pentagon, and women have been dying in combat anyway for every war we’ve had. The reaction by thus so called Men’s rights movement is sadly, predictable. And ugly.

Now for the real work: dismantling the industrial war complex. This monster at the heart of our nation is our doing as a people, and doesn’t serve our national interests. We are not an empire, we as supposed to be a republic, and yet there are those in congress that believe we should rule the world. I find it wasteful to think that way, and ultimately harmful to everyone involved.

amavra
8 years ago

Thinking Housewife is also shitting brinks over it.

But the glee AVfM people have over the idea of women being raped and brutally killed is fucked up even for them.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
8 years ago

Or getting infections when they have to stay at their post for days at a time without taking a bath.

I LOL’ed. I’ve been on pack-it-in-pack-it-out hikes for “days at a time” (once, for two weeks) without ever taking a proper bath and while having to carry my used ladysupplies around in a baggie (because you pack it in, you pack it out, even if it’s soaked with your own blood), and I never (a) got an infection or (b) complained. Who’s the delicate flower here, exactly?

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
8 years ago

I support this move by the Pentagon, and women have been dying in combat anyway for every war we’ve had.

Srsly. I’m thrilled that these women will finally get their rightful recognition for it.

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

That infection thing sounds like they’re quoting Newt Gingrich from back in the day.

amavra
8 years ago

“I read somewhere their periods attract bears. Bears can smell the menstruation”

checkmate feminists!

HAIL ANTS
HAIL ANTS
8 years ago

Elam better hope he’s at home when photos of caskets of women soldiers are released or else he’s going to be arrested for masturbating in public.

Jenny Trout (@Jenny_Trout)

I wonder how many of these guys were jacking off while typing their remarks. The “passed around like a piece of meat” guy almost certainly.

katz
8 years ago

If women could attract bears, that by itself would be reason enough to allow us in combat. We promise to use our powers for good.

cloudiah
8 years ago

@BabyD, Cool story bro. I think I hear your mother calling you to do your chores though.

Amanda Marcotte (@AmandaMarcotte)

I think it’s safe to say they object to anything that helps women leave abusive men.

Which is why they’re the abuser’s lobby. Everything else is just noise.

Falconer
8 years ago

Thinking Housewife is also shitting brinks over it.

Ow.

nothing
nothing
8 years ago

This is how you can tell that the Men’s Rights movement, as it stands today, is not a true civil rights movement. Because insofar as it is about anything other than complaining about (and sometimes harassing) feminists and women in general, it’s about tearing down rather than building up.

I think this might just be one of the best points I’ve ever seen you make.

Keep ’em coming, dude 🙂

Falconer
8 years ago

@clairedammit: I was just thinking about that “get infections” line too, although I couldn’t remember who said it. (Bad liberal! No biscuit!)

John-Henry
John-Henry
8 years ago

Only an mra can write a gleeful comment about rape and murder and call it equality. I’m also calling bullshit on the asshole who said that women should be grateful to soldiers for defending them the US army is not defending anyone in the USA by being at war with two countries that aren’t any threat to them.

mxe354
mxe354
8 years ago

“I know this isn’t a laughing matter but this is pretty fucking sweet. Now those very same women who complain about how hard childbirth is get to experience real pain and misery by getting their arms blown off by enemy fire or their legs blown off by mines. Or getting infections when they have to stay at their post for days at a time without taking a bath. Those same women who say all men are rapists can now see what real rape is when they are taken as POW’s and gang-raped by foreign men at gun point and passed around like a piece of meat and then their heads blown off when they are done. This is real war ladies, are you ready for your cup of true equality?”

Obviously childbirth is a non-issue. No one ever suffers from pregnancy, and I’m sure cis men know that quite well despite not having uteri. Women don’t ever have to suffer from real pain, either because everyone knows that only on the battlefield will you know true pain (domestic abuse and sexual assault don’t count because they just don’t). Oh, and being raped by a romantic partner without being coerced with the threat of firearm violence? Pfft. Clearly the only legitimate victims of rape are the ones who are gang-raped as POWs and then murdered. And even that sounds kind of cool because we all know how cool it is to think of the possibility of a woman being savagely violated and murdered for no reason. It’s all pretty fucking sweet indeed…

…in the mind of someone devoid of empathy and the ability to see women as people, that is.

These MRAs are literally evil. No other word describes them as well.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
8 years ago

Those same women who say all men are rapists can now see what real rape is when they are taken as POW’s and gang-raped by foreign men at gun point and passed around like a piece of meat and then their heads blown off when they are done.

It’s not us who hate women! It’s those savage foreign non-white men!

Molly Moon
Molly Moon
8 years ago

Did Rick Westlake call men “draft pigs” or is he saying that feminists do? O.o

Also, OT but I found this article just now

http://skepticink.com/skepticallyleft/2013/01/06/dear-modern-feminists-so-this-is-what-youre-saying/

Dhamilztron
Dhamilztron
8 years ago

@BabyD
You’re an idiot. And racist. Alright homie, want to know why those women won’t ‘give up the booty?’ It’s because you’re a shitty person! And as long as you are the kind of person who thinks that women are obligated to ‘give it up,’ you won’t get laid. Tell me something, theoretically, why would anyone have sex with you? Why would I have sex with you? I want to know your reasons for thinking you deserve that from someone.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

rub … some high-ratcheted, ‘entitled/empowered’ noses in the misandric, disposable-male double standard of the Selective Service system.

Oh, the horrors of the Selective Service System! Woe was the day I signed the card acknowledging the political impossibility of the draft, and lost my leg to what wikipedia calls the “means by which the United States government maintains information on those potentially subject to military conscription.” Woe! WOE! But it’s time for your comeuppance, feminists. You, too, will have to sign a card, and when you do I will dance on your graves—assuming you have arranged a burial plot for yourself.

Did Rick Westlake call men “draft pigs” or is he saying that feminists do?

That’s literally the first time I’ve ever seen or heard of the term “Draft-pigs.” I suspect Westlake is saying it because literally nobody else is doing so. Gotta find that misandry somewhere, right?

theladyzombie
theladyzombie
8 years ago

Not surprised. I knew that eventually women would win the fight to serve in combat positions but I also knew that the same men who angrily demanded that women serve in combat (for equality) would also scream when they did because women would “be a distraction” or are “too weak” and how they get “periods n’ shit.”

The following video was made by TheTruePooka on Youtube. He (unwisely?) decided to take on some of the MRA’s talking points. This one was on the draft. He directed it to GirlWritesWhat and made some really good points. Long story short, this started an unfortunate avalanche of MRA shitwittery directed his way. He subsequently made more videos and eventually gave up because he found that you really cannot have a rational discussion with MRAs over anything.

The comments on this video are a roller coaster ride of missing the point, red herrings, strawmen, and flat out headdesking.

Ponkz
Ponkz
8 years ago

It’s the exact same thing when it comes to the whole “men are more likely to work in dangerous/ dirty jobs and die/ get injured.” Leaving aside the debate about how you get more women into such industries, which is an entirely different kettle of fish, I’ve had argument after argument with MRAs about this and time and time again I have pointed out that if they truly, genuinely cared about bringing the mortality rate in dangerous professions down for men, they would whole-heartedly endorse health and safety legislation and making sure that those employers who flout it aren’t allowed to get away with it.

There’s a news story that’s been flying under the radar here in the UK about men who work in the construction industry who dare to question their bosses about their employment rights, get involved in trade unions or are whistle-blowers when employers are ignoring health and safety concerns. For years, they found themselves on a blacklist as ‘troublemakers’ and could not find work elsewhere. This is now being investigated and I would think that is something someone who is genuinely concerned with men’s rights would give their full backing to. Of course, there isn’t a convenient peg in the whole story to blame the issue on women, and also it concerns mainly working class men who MRAs couldn’t give a shit about, so I can understand why it is ignored. *sarcasm*

You can hear more about the issue here if anyone’s interested: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21172850

On the whole though, they’re not interested in that at all – they just want to see more women being killed and maimed to “even the score.” Indeed, a lot of them are pretty disparaging about health and safety and seem to think it’s an attempt to ‘feminise’ the workplace.

They’re not interested in equality at all. They just want to see those bitches get what’s coming to them.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Also, OT but I found this article just now

http://skepticink.com/skepticallyleft/2013/01/06/dear-modern-feminists-so-this-is-what-youre-saying/

Yet another self-described “former” feminist who obviously does not understand the first thing about it and who cannot help but describe it with a big list of strawmen.

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

bam! awesome post. well done, dave.

lightcastle
lightcastle
8 years ago

This whole thing has been a bit maddening for me because, you know, Canada. We’ve had female combat troops for about 25 years. No one cares anymore. About 15% of the military is women, and about 2% in front line/infantry/combat kind of activities. Yes, women have died as combat troops.

That 2% figure seems to be pretty consistent in most of the countries where official combat positions have been opened to women. So it seems a combination of self selection and the physical standards for those positions stabilizes around there. The overall participation seems to drift up to 15-20%.

So yeah, I have a lot of trouble listening to these people freak out and say stuff that the real world has already shown not to be true.

kamilla1960
kamilla1960
8 years ago

Project Censored has listed, as one of its most underreported stories of the past year, the extremely high number of rapes committed against women in the military by their male colleagues. I don’t see what this form of ‘equality’ has to do with creating a more humane world. Equality does not mean we are the same. The military (certainly the US military and its allies) have been using women in particularly degrading ways (ex: Abu Ghraib).

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

This bit is the piece I find most offensive:

Those same women who say all men are rapists can now see what real rape is when they are taken as POW’s and gang-raped by foreign men at gun point and passed around like a piece of meat and then their heads blown off when they are done. This is real war ladies, are you ready for your cup of true equality?

So no woman ever has been raped in war when their country has not had combat-line female soldiers? So rape outside of war isn’t “real rape”. I would suggest that the author needs to read Brownmiller’s “Against our will”, but they won’t believe any of the content.

Also, the MRAs have No Idea of what modern warfare was like. I’ll defer to pecunium when he turns up to comment, but in modern warfare there are no traditional front lines like there was historically, when there were no aircraft and no longer range artillery, for example, as well as UAVs. My understanding is, and again I will defer to pecunium, is that even in the hospital tents the personnel are armed.

And, of course, there has Never Been any rape by American (or other nations) soldiers in current engagements. So, for example, the Muhmudiyah rape and murder is just a figment of my imagination. This was a horrific tragedy, but is only one of a number of examples. This is not to smear all troops with such activities, but merely to point out that this type of awful conduct by a very small minority of individuals has occurred in the past, no doubt is occurring now, and given history is likely to occur in the future.

At least the MRAs are open to showing their complete ignorance of any topic.

Dani Alexis
Dani Alexis
8 years ago

Meanwhile, in the WSJ, Ryan Smith thinks women shouldn’t be in combat because men poop.

*dies laughing*

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

So no woman ever has been raped in war when their country has not had combat-line female soldiers?

Well, of course they have; that’s what women are for after all. I think what Elam et al. are objecting to is that now some of those women will be given weapons and training before capture.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

And Mr Smith is an attorney. I would hate to be one of his clients; the piece is best summed up with:
– main body of article = bumpluck of anecdote
– closing argument = his personal beliefs, not reality checked.

Despite the professionalism of Marines, it would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex, particularly when your body has been ravaged by lack of hygiene. In the reverse, it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable and awkward position.

Translation: I don’t want to be naked in front of women and I don’t want them to be naked in front of me.

Combat effectiveness is based in large part on unit cohesion. The relationships among members of a unit can be irreparably harmed by forcing them to violate societal norms.

Translation: in war, all normal societal norms exist.

I is so confused. I didn’t realise that being on deployment in a war zone was exactly the same as my normal daily routine. WTF?

drst
drst
8 years ago

T]he only way this new policy will have any meaning will be if it is mandatory that women face combat on the front lines.

This just proves David’s point. Serving in a combat position isn’t mandatory for anyone AFAIK, it’s just that only allowing men to serve in combat positions means by default all those personnel are male. Any individual person who does not want to be in a combat position has several options for avoiding ending up there. Plus I’ve seen estimates that 80-90% of the military is not made up of combat positions, it’s all support and logistics.

So why would serving in combat positions be mandatory for a percentage of women? Just to get some women killed. For revenge. To hurt women. That’s all they care about.

The thing that seems to have flown over the heads of these assholes, in addition to basic human decency, is that it wasn’t women who arranged things like this in the first place. It was men who barred women from officially serving in combat positions, not feminists. And given what’s happened to women in every war, whether they were officially soldiers or not, or officially in combat or not, has been well documented, especially by feminists. I doubt we’re under any illusions what the cost of this will be.

drst
drst
8 years ago

Damn, my first big blockquote fail. 🙁

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

Mind bleach: sand cats (soooooo cute)

freitag235
freitag235
8 years ago

The sheer magnitude of their rage and hate sometimes astounds me. Doesn’t it affect their health at some point to sit and seethe about Teh Ebbul Wimminz all the time?

Shaenon
8 years ago

And I’m sure these precious little Internet tough guys have served in the military, seen combat, lost limbs, and been gang-raped at riflepoint. Because they know so much about it.

These turds come from really sheltered backgrounds. Women in my family have served since my grandmother joined the WACs in WWII, sometimes because it was the only option if they wanted to go to college or get a job. The cousin I’m closest to put herself through college by joining the Air Force, became a pilot, and later worked at the Pentagon. She’s a tiny person, but by the end of basic training she was tough as nails. I’m in awe of her.

The idea that, after some 70 years of women in the military, there are still soft little men, safe in their bedrooms, going HUR HUR BUT WHERE WILL THEY GET TAMPONS…well, I guess that’s the safety and comfort our military exists to protect, isn’t it?

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

@Shaenon, yep, I figure they mix up IUD and IED. 🙂

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

The best thing about Sand Cats: Felis margarita.

reginaldgriswold
8 years ago

The tangible glee with which they write about these horrible things blows my fucking mind.

Kartusch Snake (@Kartusch)

I know this is a minor detail in all the full on hateful, but what is with the tampon obsession? I assume if they found out about reusable menstrual products thier heads would explode.

Kaitlyn
Kaitlyn
8 years ago

the points in this article are simply spot on. LOLFOREVER @ mra assholes.

cloudiah
8 years ago

@Kartusch, Sometimes I fixate on the details because the overall picture is too terrible. I wondered about the tampons too. Like out of everything, they think dealing with menstruation is going to be the thing that brings the military to a screeching halt?

OT, but did anyone post something about the right-wing Christian radio hosts who have a teensy problem with feminists? I’m going to post the video below, but the link has a nearly full transcript.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
8 years ago

I wonder how many of these guys were jacking off while typing their remarks. The “passed around like a piece of meat” guy almost certainly.

Yeah, I wondered if he was positing a “worst case scenario” or fantasizing…

Joanna
8 years ago

The funny thing is, the idea of going to war is slightly less terrifying to me than the prospect of childbirth.

fantysq
8 years ago

Meh. They should make war illegal altogether.

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

I was wondering what it was with some people and flushing tampons down toilets. Like flushing anything else down a toilet is natural, but tampons, oh no.

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

Oh, god, cloudiah, from that transcript

The goal is abortion. The day-after pill will help.

These guys aren’t all that bright, are they?

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

@clairedammit tempting as it is to think they’re being irrational, most yachts I’ve sailed on forbid the flushing of tampons ‘cos they can clog up the head. And you seriously do not want to be trying to unclog a sea toilet. At sea. Especially not in heavy weather. Strict rules about quantity & type of loo paper, too.

And as mind bleach after that:

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

Oh noes, and that would mean the sea bears would get them.

Catfish
Catfish
8 years ago

So these manly men representing the dying remains of true manly manhood of mandom, have no idea what war is like.

Do they know how many civilian women are raped, often in gangs, by soldiers during wartime? I also find the fact that they talk about “real pain” and “real rape” in this way absolutely disgusting. As if men (or soldiers) are the only ones who ever face true suffering.

Nor do they understand feminism. Or activism. Or human rights. Or life in general.

Catfish
Catfish
8 years ago

Also, why does it always boil down to menstrual periods? I mean, they could be using cups instead of something with as high of an infection risk as pads or tampons. Or they could just regulate their periods with hormones. There’s a lot of solutions that are a metric buttload better than tampons. I’m pretty sure women can take care of these things on their own, without the aid of, pardon the expression, white knights.

I guess they also think women – all of them – get irrational fits of stupid when ever they hit a certain point in their hormonal cycles. (Which seems to be all of the time. Women, they so emotional, amirite!?)

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