So when I was poking around on Roosh’s Return of Kings blog the other day I ran across a guest post from someone calling himself Samseau accusing feminists of using racism to exploit men – that is, of expertly manipulating men of different races to fight one another instead of standing firm against the evil feminists and their evil agenda.
The post, while purporting to be somehow “above” the issue of race, is a muddled mess full of “white men have it worst” nonsense like this:
[R]acial infighting between American men wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for the political consequences.
Women, if you haven’t noticed, do not fight with each other over racial conflicts. They might get angry over the past, but they are able to resolve all issues by agreeing on a scapegoat: the white man. Colored women will gladly forgive their white sisters, since, after all, it was the white man who oppressed women and minorities.
White men are the big, bad, evil masters, and as such, all females of different colors can agree to put aside their differences in order to bring the white man down.
Yes, he did indeed use the term “colored women.” Oh, but there’s more.
The election results show that decades of brainwashing young American boys has been an unqualified success. Rather than have boys be loyal to their gender, boys have instead been trained to be loyal to their race.
Little non-white boys at the tender age of 9 years are fed lies about how white male oppressors created their poor living conditions, while white boys are taught that they need to correct the injustices of their forefathers lest they be guilty with the indelible sin of white privilege. Female teachers use the appropriate shaming tactics on these young minds to imprint the intended desire for conflict.
All according to plan.
And more:
Men are pawns in the race game. Thus while American women feed themselves government largesse, jobs, university degrees, their husband’s money, and child support money, American men fight each other over table scraps.
But my favorite thing about this article is the little graph that Mr. Samseau made up to illustrate the REAL issues men face today.
Yep. Race is the least important issue, while “getting laid” is number one.
It’s a pretty revealing little chart, huh?
The comment section for the article – wade into this swamp at your own peril – is (predictably enough) filled with angry racists trying to explain why race really does matter. Others, meanwhile, seem upset that all this racism is getting in the way of the regular woman-bashing. Still others suggest that men of all races needed to understand the “root cause” of all our “multicultural problems.” That being … teh Jews.
My favorite comment of the bunch, though, has to be this, from Caliente, combining an astounding ignorance of history with some half-digested evo psych:
Btw the reason why there are practically no racist women is simple.
Males of mammals are territorial.
They naturally base they identity from bottom up: family,tribe,nation,race.And naturally react negative to males of different “tribe”.
Females at the same time are receptive to have sex with any males as long as they are alpha enough.
In 19 century whites fucked all the black women because they were alpha and they had recourses,just look at Brasil.Nowadays a feminist will be cheating on her white beta herbling with some black fitness coach because that is how her brain assumes alphaness.
Wow.
Glad we got that all settled!
(Which would be kind of meta given the origins over the whole herbivore men thing. Some bad ideas exist in multiple cultures.)
“manly men just want to eat giant slabs of unseasoned, burned [mammoth] meat.”
ftfy 😉
I’m extremely skeeved by the attitude of “taking is up the ass is the worst punishment”, because it seems to always come from the guys who also think women should totally “do anal” for them, and that’s like the hottest thing, and women who don’t do it are stuck-up bitches, etc. Because it really reinforces the conclusion that their love of anal sex has little to do with how good it may feel, and a lot do do with punishing/degrading their partner.
Which I find extra sad because there are good reasons to love and enjoy anal sex! Heck, even its cultural implications of “dirty” or “degrading” can be happily enjoyed in a completely okay way in a BDSM context, as long as there’s communication and consent and everyone’s on board with that happening. Argh, PUAs and other douchebags, stop taking something fun and making it icky!
I was actually waiting for trollboy to follow his anal-as-punishment comment with a comment about how women better give men anal or else he’ll think they’re snotty bitches. The two attitudes do tend to go together.
Neurite – totally. Everything for these guys seems to be about degrading and controlling other people, women in particular (not that they see us as people anyway), preferably via sexualised violence. Terms like consent, mutual pleasure, love, affection and respect are the dirtiest words in the language for them.
Anal would probably be difficult for him since his head’s already wedged up there.
@Kitteh
Well, the MRA community has never been celebrated for lack of projection 😛
@Demarcq
This either means that you grew up around men of colour, or it means that you think misandry is a larger problem than racism. While I tend to side eye white women who think sexism is a larger problem than racism, Ima just have to point and laugh at anyone who thinks misandry is a problem even slightly comparable to racism
@katz – I figured as much, just wanted to be clear.
@cloudiah – this is my reaction at this point:
http://fyeahenglishbulldogs.tumblr.com/post/41237713843
@Neurite-
I think deep down all these guys also know that their misery is heavily self-inflicted too, which just fuels the rage. They can’t acknowledge that, so they must find someone, ANYONE else to blame rather than look in the mirror and accept the truth.
Dammit, Imma get my nerd card revoked.
I feel like this .gif is appropriate.
Nope! False dichotomy.
Furthermore, since when did I become a Mens Rights ACTIVIST? I am not an activist nor have I brought up mysandry. I love it how you people try to pigeonhole anyone who disagrees with your feminist agenda and then get butthurt when the same standard is applied to you.
But yes, I do think that racism is a bigger problem than sexism quite frankly.
@Falconer I hope the IRL LOL you got from me was worth losing your nerd card
“mysandry”
I smell sockpuppet
Indeed! You’ve forgotten the options of “he’s just more sexist than he is racist” or “he has never met a brown person ever so he just imagines they’re all like him.”
Um, gender may be a social construct but biological sex is not. Women don’t menstruate because of their societal conditioning for example. I am not going to pretend that men and women are physically indistinguishable from one another because the reality is that they are. Be mad at me all you want but that won’t silence the truth.
Someone needs to run this sock through the laundry.
While we’re on the dual subjects of racist white women and embarrassing cow-orkers, did I ever tell you all about the time my (white, female) supervisor turned to me after a (white, male) courier with locks had been and gone, and totally outed herself as Not That Bright?
So, the guy had locks, fairly large ones as I recall, and she wanted to know if I thought it was disgusting, how they rub poop in their hair to get locks.
I can’t remember what I said. I’m afraid I may have stood there with my mouth open. I didn’t dare argue with her, I’m sorry to say, because I was already hip deep over fucking something up earlier in the week, and there wasn’t anyone else around to get hurt by her comments that time.
So, yeah. That job didn’t last much longer, I’m happy to say, although I’m unhappy to say why. I just wasn’t a good fit.
When people say ridiculous/awful stuff I always get blindsided by it. It just takes my brain a minute or two of going WHAT. WHAT. DID SOMEONE JUST SAY THAT. Before I can even work on a response, and by then the conversation has moved on.
“Um, gender may be a social construct but biological sex is not. Women don’t menstruate because of their societal conditioning for example. I am not going to pretend that men and women are physically indistinguishable from one another because the reality is that they are. Be mad at me all you want but that won’t silence the truth.”
So you don’t like women because they menstruate?
Which is why it’s called GENDER essentialism.
The opinion I find particularly strange is that racism is a bigger problem than sexism, therefore we need more sexism.
I do think feminism concentrates mainly on privileged white women, things like the right to a career (work that provides some personal satisfaction as opposed to a job that just provides money) or speak outside the home, or being involved in politics implies you have the upbringing for such things in the first place. While some people enter these fields without privilege this is low for both men and women. Equal pay and welfare rights probably apply more generally.
I suppose there is the argument as well if we didn’t have white women having careers etc there would be more space for minority men. This does sort of phrase white men as the default and everyone else as invaders though.
Next thing Socky’ll be telling us that social gender roles are natural because biology.
Catching up here (again, damned was today busy!)
“Herbling is an MRA term which proves how the movement is misandrist.
They use it to refer to nameless men whom MRAs see as going through life as shapeless sad-sack betas. Totally not insulting to men generally.”
Amazingly, I have only one question: wtf movement do you mean? Please buy an antecedent!
Nice straw womyn, Joanna.
“Nice straw womyn, Joanna.”
Hey you left that wide open for interpretation there buddy. =P