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Roosh fan: Black and White Unite to Fight … the evil feminist white-male bashers! (Also: a terrible chart.)

I think we can all agree that the REAL problem is all those damn women's libbers
I think we men can all agree that the REAL problem is those damn women’s libbers

So when I was poking around on Roosh’s Return of Kings blog the other day I ran across a guest post from someone calling himself Samseau accusing feminists of using racism to exploit men – that is, of expertly manipulating men of different races to fight one another instead of standing firm against the evil feminists and their evil agenda.

The post, while purporting to be somehow “above” the issue of race, is a muddled mess full of “white men have it worst” nonsense like this:

[R]acial infighting between American men wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for the political consequences.

Women, if you haven’t noticed, do not fight with each other over racial conflicts. They might get angry over the past, but they are able to resolve all issues by agreeing on a scapegoat: the white man. Colored women will gladly forgive their white sisters, since, after all, it was the white man who oppressed women and minorities.

White men are the big, bad, evil masters, and as such, all females of different colors can agree to put aside their differences in order to bring the white man down.

Yes, he did indeed use the term “colored women.” Oh, but there’s more.

The election results show that decades of brainwashing young American boys has been an unqualified success. Rather than have boys be loyal to their gender, boys have instead been trained to be loyal to their race.

Little non-white boys at the tender age of 9 years are fed lies about how white male oppressors created their poor living conditions, while white boys are taught that they need to correct the injustices of their forefathers lest they be guilty with the indelible sin of white privilege. Female teachers use the appropriate shaming tactics on these young minds to imprint the intended desire for conflict.

All according to plan.

And more:

Men are pawns in the race game. Thus while American women feed themselves government largesse, jobs, university degrees, their husband’s money, and child support money, American men fight each other over table scraps.

But my favorite thing about this article is the little graph that Mr. Samseau made up to illustrate the REAL issues men face today.

RooshRaceChart

Yep. Race is the least important issue, while “getting laid” is number one.

It’s a pretty revealing little chart, huh?

The comment section for the article – wade into this swamp at your own peril – is (predictably enough) filled with angry racists trying to explain why race really does matter. Others, meanwhile, seem upset that all this racism is getting in the way of the regular woman-bashing. Still others suggest that men of all races needed to understand the “root cause” of all our “multicultural problems.” That being … teh Jews.

My favorite comment of the bunch, though, has to be this, from Caliente, combining an astounding ignorance of history with some half-digested evo psych:

Btw the reason why there are practically no racist women is simple.

Males of mammals are territorial.

They naturally base they identity from bottom up: family,tribe,nation,race.And naturally react negative to males of different “tribe”.

Females at the same time are receptive to have sex with any males as long as they are alpha enough.

In 19 century whites fucked all the black women because they were alpha and they had recourses,just look at Brasil.Nowadays a feminist will be cheating on her white beta herbling with some black fitness coach because that is how her brain assumes alphaness.

Wow.

Glad we got that all settled!

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Some Gal Not Bored at All

Looks like Brz just got himself kicked out if the “non-victim” group he wanted to start.

That or the troll can’t be bothered to stick to a consistent persona.

Oh, and my Sims don’t live in the suburbs. They live cities. 😛

Some Gal Not Bored at All

*in

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago
burgundy
burgundy
8 years ago

CWS – I have been playing Seasons for years, and it never even occurred to me to use the seasons to synch my households. I’m still not sure it would work 100%, because I tend to be goal-driven in my playing (“ok, I’ll stop as soon as she gets her next promotion”). But it’s a hell of a lot easier than making tick marks in a spreadsheet.

Brz – there’s an expansion pack that lets you live downtown. Or were you just meaning to be sneeringly dismissive? If so, you have fun with that.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Not sure wtf is up with Kiwi Girl’s link but hopefully … this will work.

Dagrabbit
Dagrabbit
8 years ago

Hey, speaking of uniting and fighting and something more interesting than whatever Brz is on about, I have a cat question…

My cousin has flown “back home” to bury another cousin (her sister) and take care of some business. While she is away, we are watching her cat, “Fatty,” who is a very pretty and loving house cat that is not used to being around other cats.

I say this because I have my own cat, “Samson,” a fairly loud but also very pretty and loving Siamese who is also not used to being around other cats. After a few days of Samson howling and hissing, Fatty being intimidated by Samson’s noise, and Samson being intimidated by Fatty’s size (3x that of Samson’s) they have mostly come to an understanding.

So now Samson (older, but playful) wants to play with Fatty (loving, but chill) after seeing that he’s not that big of a threat. Unfortunately, Fatty doesn’t really know HOW to play. He also “love nips,” which I’m trying to get him to stop doing. This means that Samson follow Fatty around, do his typical leap with a half twist and bat at Fatty’s tail, and Fatty will walk away the first ten times, but then turn around and BITE Samson the 11th time, and he’s not a gentle biter when annoyed.

Any suggestions for how to either stop Samson from harrassing Fatty, or to stop Fatty from biting Samson, or both? They are no longer afraid of each other, but they still don’t completely understand each other.

P.S. Something hilarious has happened… Samson has consistently been eating Fatty’s food and Fatty has consistently eating Samson’s food. Also, Samson believes that Fatty’s litter box is another convenient place for him to make his deposits. Fatty cannot retaliate, however, as Samson’s box is covered and Fatty cannot fit in there. =)

Some Gal Not Bored at All

@burgundy

If we took away Brz’s ability to be sneeringly dismissive, he wouldn’t have anything to say. He is rather boringly one-note.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Ninja’ed on the link!

Pecunium, how do you train a cat?!

katz
8 years ago

So I guess we’re giving up on the pretending-to-be-French thing?

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

@Dagrabbit, while they may get used to each other, they may still not like each other. You could try either separating them completely or playing with Samson so he’s not interested in trying to play with Fatty. There could be an element of jealousy on Samson’s part as he’s not “only cat” at the moment.

But both the trying to play and the biting are natural cat behaviours. 🙁

pecunium
8 years ago

Brzzzt!: You haven’t used anything else than arguments of authority and shaming stuff.

So you have proof for this assertion from the authority of your assumptions? You who tossed in Ad Homs of de Beauvaiore and Satre, rather than deal with their arguments?

she goggled to find French feminist groups that I had not quoted

How do you know she was unaware?

If she did google, how does that contradiction of your argument (that no one has heard of/talks about them) affect her argument?

Since all you did was refer to well known (and somewhat out of focus in the present) feminists, how does that reflect on your claim to know what is going on in modern French Feminism.

And how do/did French feminists see child-rearing?

No, shaming fits perfectly, I mean someone said earlier that calling someone crazy is ableism… I don’t want to believe that this person could be serious, I don’t want to think about the implications of such way of thinking.

Yeah, I can see where you would be against a non-othering form of dealing with a large minority. I can see where a more inclusive society might bother you; what with your inane ideas about the social value of anti-social speech

But hey, you are the, “I’m too tough to let myself be a victim of mean language”.

Well, no, you aren’t. Whiny-assed titty-baby is what are.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
8 years ago

Dagrabbit, you could try to play with Samson and tire him out a bit so he doesn’t have as much energy to bother Fatty. You could also play with both of them at once (one toy per cat – you may need a partner for this), so Samson can play “with” Fatty without needing to bug him.

Some Gal Not Bored at All

@Dagrabbit

I think that if Samson isn’t bothered enough by Fatty’s biting to stop harassing, there isn’t going to be that much you can do other than maybe try to give Fatty a place away from Samson? I don’t know if that is possible, but it would be what I would try to do. It is what we did when my cat was still a bit of a kitten and would terrorize my in-laws’ almost cartoonishly skittish cats. We just kept our cat away from the spaces they hid in as much as possible.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Best I can think of would be to reward Fatty when he bites anything that isn’t Samson, but idk if that’d really condition him to associate biting Samson with having a treat withheld — this is Pecunium’s area though, I’m much better at conditioning things you want them to do (and fish really are remarkably easy to train!)

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
8 years ago

For the record, I wasn’t unaware. One of my favourite hip-hop artists is a French anarcha-feminist WOC, you pick stuff up.

But even if I did Google it, it would still be paying more attention to actual French feminism than Brz did.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Is anyone finding Brz fun to nom on? Because if not I’m going to respectfully suggest that he be put on ignore until he goes away, especially given the socky smell wafting from his direction.

katz
8 years ago

He was fun when he was pretending to be French; now he’s just tiresome.

Brz
Brz
8 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri

I just don’t know what to say. I mean, if I’d hurt you, I’m really sorry.
I just can understand this thing. Now, I realize why every day the only thing I want is to take the first plane and go home. I should be a kind of alien for you. I just can’t understand that a word used in an unrelated context can harm people, I try to understand but I think I can’t.

I really hope the best for you. I hope that one day you will realize that words aren’t magical, that giving words more impact that they should have in a way of not being hurtful just create more violence.
You can’t make use of provocation because for you it’s just hurtful. I think it’s sad and it scares me.
I think I’ve finally found what I was searching here. Bye.

Creative Writing Student

Please don’t let the door hit you on the way out, we’re fed up of cleaning the troll butt-scuffs off it.

katz
8 years ago

OK, the sheer overwroughtness of that flounce has amused me. “I think I’ve finally found what I was searching here?” 6/10.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

TrollQuest – The Boredom is over now? Awesome.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

@Cassandra, if trolls were smothered in cheese sauce they might be a bit more tasty.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

Guns don’t kill trolls, magic missiles kill trolls. 🙂

katz
8 years ago

DAWWW!

Dagrabbit
Dagrabbit
8 years ago

Thanks for the suggestions! Fatty isn’t much for playing at all. We have a few cat toys scattered around the house, and when Samson was temporarily distracted, I tried tin foil balls, ping pong balls, rubber jacks balls, emory boards and pens (well, Samson goes nuts for those!), lazer pointers, things dangling from string, or just chasing him around. He’ll just watch the toys roll/skid by, then come to you for snuggles!

I’m also hesitant to condition Fatty to bite things that aren’t Samson, especially as he is not biting the toys. That might also encourage him to further love nip me, and I don’t want that. When he starts doing that, I point at him and firmly say “No,” and that seems to work… for the next ten minutes or so.

It’s a little hard to separate them. Samson is absolutely fascinated by Fatty, and they are civil around each other most of the time. I would have to lock Samson in the washroom or a bedroom or something, and I don’t want to further confuse him or make him feel more jealous. I will try playing with him and tiring him out more; that might work. Jeez, you’d think that a 10 year old cat would stop acting like such a little kid! =P

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

I just don’t even…no, he’s no fun. He supposedly feels bad about offending me (ahem, perpetuating negative stereotypes) but is scared by my (and others) desire not to be shorthand for “this person is dangerous”!?

He’s scared, by my desire not to be lumped in with scary people, but is sorry if he offended me.

This is such epic fail that it’s just funny! (That I just showered and have a cat towel cape on probably helps with the absurdity)

burgundy
burgundy
8 years ago

Wow, that was some grade-A condescension. “I hope that one day you will come to realize that your feelings were foolish and that I was right about everything.” Not that it surprises me that someone with a limited understanding of feminist discourse might also not understand the connection between use of language and social conditions.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

I’ve never seen the point of doing virtually something that is already boring in real life : live in a house in a suburb.

Unimaginative empathy fail tosser demonstrates once again that he’s an unimaginative empathy fail tosser. If your interest in life is solely dependent on your location, that says more about you than anything else.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

OK, cool, I won’t feel bad about ignoring him completely then. He won’t go away as long as people are responding to him, though.

mxe354
mxe354
8 years ago

” You have shown that by being very clueless about the radfem critique of pornography”

From what I remember, I was the one who had sourced his view while arguing that pro-porno feminism goes with the refusal of the “death to rape culture and cops everywhere” stuff taking Marcela Iacub as an example.
Maybe, I’m wrong, but you, you just said “you’re clueless” without feeling the need for argumentation or citations.

You haven’t used anything else than arguments of authority and shaming stuff.

Your generalization about “pro-pornography” feminists (who, by the way, most likely oppose the same kind of pornography that objectifies women and perpetuates rape culture) are entirely baseless. I live in the US, and most “pro-pornography” feminists here are not only aware of rape culture, but also actively oppose it. Maybe it’s different in France somehow, but that’s extremely unlikely. Just because some “pro-pornography” feminist groups are like what you described doesn’t mean all or most of them are. In fact, it’s quite the opposite.

I would take more time to respond to you and argue with you in depth if you were actually worth arguing with. But arguing with you is worthless. If your previous post was your last one, I’m glad to see you go. Farewell.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Yeah I know I shouldn’t have but holy fucking shit was that just a steaming pile of fail sauce wrapped in a shit sandwich and topped with the condensation off his icy anti-social malevolent heart.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

That’s the problem with these threads, new people will keep coming in, getting angry with shit that he’s said, and responding before they get to the bit where everyone else is agreeing to freeze out the tedium troll, because people read the comments in order from first to last.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

To clarify – some trolls are tasty to nom on, although not very nutritious. They’re basically Twinkies made of misogyny and angry frustrated entitlement. Trolls like this one, though, are no fun to chew on.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Yeah, it’s one thing when that results in reviving a conversation, friendly disagreement or debate from earlier, or returns the thread to fandom or critters. That’s the status quo around these parts, getting a troll frozen out takes slightly longer.

Hm…kittens? I’m going to bed here soon but first!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago
CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I even enjoy trolls who I think are wrong about everything but who’re sincere in their wrongness. Arguing with them can be fun, and it’s educational for lurkers. Lulz trolls, though, are a complete waste of time, and usually very boring to read. It’s like watching a movie that wants to be funny but isn’t over and over again.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

But without the redeeming factors of, say, The Lost Boys.

burgundy
burgundy
8 years ago

If a bunch of hot trolls showed up posting pictures of themselves in black leather and eyeliner, I would never look at another website ever again.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Boring trolls are more like being stuck on a plane that’s playing American Pie on loop for a 12 hour flight.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Oh please, Brz ain’t gone. Brz can’t stick a flounce for SHIT; he’s already claimed he’s leaving twice before and failed, I doubt he’ll find the third.

He won’t go away as long as people are responding to him, though.

Nah, he came back JUST to bitch about how we were talking about cats and computer games. Trust me, if he comes back, it’s on him.

Now, I realize why every day the only thing I want is to take the first plane and go home.

Yes. Please do, Brz. Please go back to the mothership, where you are integrated, cool, and set men’s genitals on fire. I’m sure your planet is a very nice, manly planet, full of chest hair, berets, and hibbity hoo.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: burgundy

If NWO wore leather pants, the industry as a whole would be finished.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

NWO wearing leather pants is an image I really, really did not need, thankyouverymuch!

😀

burgundy
burgundy
8 years ago

I did say hot. Since I’m imagining boring trolls with the redeeming characteristics of the Lost Boys, after all.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I think the Venn Diagram of “hot guys” and “internet trolls” may be two completely separate circles that don’t even vaguely brush up against each other.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Yeah, I don’t think of “hot” and “troll” in the same sentence except as an example of an oxymoron (with the emphasis on “moron” in the case of trolls).

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
8 years ago

I think the Venn Diagram of “hot guys” and “internet trolls” may be two completely separate circles that don’t even vaguely brush up against each other./i>

Too bad. Brushing against a diagram is probably the most action a troll sees in a year!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

The troll circle may however have lots to say about how much of an asshole the hot guy circle is.