So when I was poking around on Roosh’s Return of Kings blog the other day I ran across a guest post from someone calling himself Samseau accusing feminists of using racism to exploit men – that is, of expertly manipulating men of different races to fight one another instead of standing firm against the evil feminists and their evil agenda.
The post, while purporting to be somehow “above” the issue of race, is a muddled mess full of “white men have it worst” nonsense like this:
[R]acial infighting between American men wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for the political consequences.
Women, if you haven’t noticed, do not fight with each other over racial conflicts. They might get angry over the past, but they are able to resolve all issues by agreeing on a scapegoat: the white man. Colored women will gladly forgive their white sisters, since, after all, it was the white man who oppressed women and minorities.
White men are the big, bad, evil masters, and as such, all females of different colors can agree to put aside their differences in order to bring the white man down.
Yes, he did indeed use the term “colored women.” Oh, but there’s more.
The election results show that decades of brainwashing young American boys has been an unqualified success. Rather than have boys be loyal to their gender, boys have instead been trained to be loyal to their race.
Little non-white boys at the tender age of 9 years are fed lies about how white male oppressors created their poor living conditions, while white boys are taught that they need to correct the injustices of their forefathers lest they be guilty with the indelible sin of white privilege. Female teachers use the appropriate shaming tactics on these young minds to imprint the intended desire for conflict.
All according to plan.
And more:
Men are pawns in the race game. Thus while American women feed themselves government largesse, jobs, university degrees, their husband’s money, and child support money, American men fight each other over table scraps.
But my favorite thing about this article is the little graph that Mr. Samseau made up to illustrate the REAL issues men face today.
Yep. Race is the least important issue, while “getting laid” is number one.
It’s a pretty revealing little chart, huh?
The comment section for the article – wade into this swamp at your own peril – is (predictably enough) filled with angry racists trying to explain why race really does matter. Others, meanwhile, seem upset that all this racism is getting in the way of the regular woman-bashing. Still others suggest that men of all races needed to understand the “root cause” of all our “multicultural problems.” That being … teh Jews.
My favorite comment of the bunch, though, has to be this, from Caliente, combining an astounding ignorance of history with some half-digested evo psych:
Btw the reason why there are practically no racist women is simple.
Males of mammals are territorial.
They naturally base they identity from bottom up: family,tribe,nation,race.And naturally react negative to males of different “tribe”.
Females at the same time are receptive to have sex with any males as long as they are alpha enough.
In 19 century whites fucked all the black women because they were alpha and they had recourses,just look at Brasil.Nowadays a feminist will be cheating on her white beta herbling with some black fitness coach because that is how her brain assumes alphaness.
Wow.
Glad we got that all settled!
Starting the clock now on how long it is before Sandra follows up that fairly innocuous comment with some ableist shit or rape endorsement.
@Dvarghundspossen I’ve just done some in a friend’s non-afro hair. You just backcomb it really tightly, and apply some wax, then wait. You need to re-do the roots every couple of weeks for a few months. But no, it’s not dirty.
But the wax… does it just stay there? Or do you wash it out and apply new wax time to time?
Oh, well I guess we’ve learned an important lesson, then.
It goes out by itself. You can still wash your hair.
@Dvärghundspossen, they were having this exact conversation on the recent Buzzfeed thread about “Nice Guys.” Apparently the comic book is much clearer that the Scott character is NOT nice and is in fact quite an asshole, which Ramona tells him at the end….but of course they leave that part out of the movie.
I couldn’t get over the ridiculous notion that in order to be with a girl you must defeat her previous boyfriends, as if she’s a trophy that gets handed from guy to guy. And then Scott is a Nice Guy on top of it….and the guy who plays him plays that exact same Nice Guy nerd character in every fucking movie he’s in. All kinds of gross. That movie sucks.
“Not all unapologetic racists, sexists and general bigots want to be labeled with the names of the groups that just happen to share their ideas perfectly”, On Nom means.
I’m pretty forgiving and I generally assume people didn’t think something really through when they say something bigoted, because I know a lot of people try their best and learn all the time. They’re not perfect. But people like you Om Nom, whether or not you want the label you will get it because the things you post are indistinguishable from the generic MRA rants, and you are wholly unapologetic about it, you revel in it. You simply get judged based on your actions (words, since it’s teh internets).
Except in this case in which we were completely right and you are not only a troll but also an MRA and also an asshole who continues to ignore boundaries and keep coming back here where you are explicitly not wanted. Keep proving our point, shithead.
“The more you know…”
Rainbow, Star.
It’s the shittiest saturday morning special ever.
@Blitzgal:
I didn’t react to that part because it was SO over-the-top-unrealistic… But yeah, you’re right.
The idea that someone can cheat and lie and only care about looks and still be a “nice guy” though – that’s more the kind of stuff people actually believe.
@Natfantastic: thanks for educating me about white people’s locks. I will from now on give up my reverse racism on locks.
Obviously Demarcq is a troll and doesn’t engage with actual discussion, but for the kids playing along at home:
[1] Intersectionality is good, but
[2] people still try to make oppression a hierarchy, and FYI
[3] statement making oppression a hierarchy
See how that works?
Are you MRsteALe?
I can not for the life of me find Torvus Butthorn’s “yes, I was a sock, but you are all stupid for believing David when he said as much even though you all already suspected” speech.
@Dvarghundspossen I wouldn’t call it reverse racism… maybe a willingness to believe bad stereotypes about the type of white people who wear their hair like that? You know, like thinking all feminists have hairy legs?
@thenatfantastic
In the comments of that piece someone links to an article by Libby Anne on rape culture in Pride and Prejudice (published in 1813), so 200 years at least. A small quote:
@Myoo
EW! Proto-Roosh :/
Nice guys finish last. That’s why those “nice guys” need to grow a pair and step up their game. PUA techniques actually work once you’ve gotten enough practice and start small. But srsly, WTF is wrong with socially awkward guys learning social skills and getting what they want? Women manipulate men and now men are doing the same. Boo fucking hoo. Get over it. As long as these doodlebros don’t rape women there really is nothing illegal or wrong about what they do.
“It’s OK to lie, cajole, and manipulate people into sex, as long as you don’t rape them!”
Do you hear yourself?
Actually nice guys don’t finish last. Actually nice guys who realize that ‘nice’ isn’t enough to attract anyone and thus work on having actual personalities seem to do pretty well in life.
On the other hand Nice Guys(tm) who buy into the whole women-as-vending-machines belief do. Because women aren’t.
Do PUA techniques work? Maybe. People are varied, and I’m sure there are women out there with low enough self-esteem to put out for those sorts of tactics. That doesn’t make it a good thing.
Encouraging people to be as obnoxious as possible to berate women into sleeping with them as part of a long-term ‘game’ which idealises seeing other people as things to get is not ‘learning social skills’, FYI.
This may be the shittiest, most entitled, self-serving, myopic, arrogant, ignorant turd in the punch bowl ever dropped by an exquisite dipshit troll.
Fuck off, Om Nom.
The difference between a creep and a non-creep is consent. If someone tells you that you are making them uncomfortable, stop and/or leave them alone, and you won’t be a creep. Creeps keep being creepy and then troll internet message boards trying to equate their assholish behavior with institutional prejudice.
There is not one god damned thing about being on the spectrum that automatically makes a person a creep. Because people with autism or Aspies like myself understand when someone tells us to stop doing something. The ones who aren’t creepy assholes will stop. The ones who refuse to stop and then try to use the identification of being on the spectrum as some sort of whiner’s shield are just creepy assholes.
Fucking hell, I’m sick of having this conversation with this asshole. I swear we’ve been over this a dozen separate times.
@Natfantastic, sorry, I meant the “reverse racism” comment jokingly, but it didn’t get through over the internet where one’s tone of voice and face doesn’t show… Okay, I could have made a smiley to clarify things. 😉
FYI, autistic people are the new blacks.
So what are black autistic people?
Regarding the whole “women prefer jerks” thing… I’ve read no less than two plausible theories of where this comes from on the net:
1. Guys who complain about this actually DEFINE “jerk” as “man who sleeps with lots of women”, and it thus become analytically true.
2. Men who simply interact with lots of women, at parties and otherwise, are more likely to also blurt out something hurtful or stupid to said women occasionally compared to men who hardly interact with women at all. Men who interact with lots of women, at parties and otherwise, will also end up sleeping with many more women then men who hardly interact with women at all. There’s thus an actual correlation between “saying jerky things to women” and “sleeping with lots of women”, but it’s not the case that the former causes the latter, rather both are caused by the third factor of “interacting with lots of women”:
Btw, if you go from “quiet guy standing in a corner” to doing PUA games, obviously you’re gonna end up getting laid more often. I don’t even think only women with particularly low self esteem would consider sleeping with someone who starts off by “negging” them… depending on context and exactly what that “neg” consists in it might also be taken simply as a joke. Anyway, there’s probably a much greater chance of ending up sleeping with a woman if one often goes up to women and start up SOME kind of conversation with them, versus merely standing in a corner.
@Dvarghundspossen Haha OK, that makes more sense now, I was a bit shocked!
…in short, Demarcq is a little asshole. Wait. Does that mean I’m biased against assholes? Oh dear…
Mentioning creeper persecution in the middle of a thread that addresses, among other things, racism…just wow. I think it would be best if he returned his head to where it must normally be — up his own ass where the sky is some other color but blue. We’re not here to validate you, shitlord.