So when I was poking around on Roosh’s Return of Kings blog the other day I ran across a guest post from someone calling himself Samseau accusing feminists of using racism to exploit men – that is, of expertly manipulating men of different races to fight one another instead of standing firm against the evil feminists and their evil agenda.
The post, while purporting to be somehow “above” the issue of race, is a muddled mess full of “white men have it worst” nonsense like this:
[R]acial infighting between American men wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for the political consequences.
Women, if you haven’t noticed, do not fight with each other over racial conflicts. They might get angry over the past, but they are able to resolve all issues by agreeing on a scapegoat: the white man. Colored women will gladly forgive their white sisters, since, after all, it was the white man who oppressed women and minorities.
White men are the big, bad, evil masters, and as such, all females of different colors can agree to put aside their differences in order to bring the white man down.
Yes, he did indeed use the term “colored women.” Oh, but there’s more.
The election results show that decades of brainwashing young American boys has been an unqualified success. Rather than have boys be loyal to their gender, boys have instead been trained to be loyal to their race.
Little non-white boys at the tender age of 9 years are fed lies about how white male oppressors created their poor living conditions, while white boys are taught that they need to correct the injustices of their forefathers lest they be guilty with the indelible sin of white privilege. Female teachers use the appropriate shaming tactics on these young minds to imprint the intended desire for conflict.
All according to plan.
And more:
Men are pawns in the race game. Thus while American women feed themselves government largesse, jobs, university degrees, their husband’s money, and child support money, American men fight each other over table scraps.
But my favorite thing about this article is the little graph that Mr. Samseau made up to illustrate the REAL issues men face today.
Yep. Race is the least important issue, while “getting laid” is number one.
It’s a pretty revealing little chart, huh?
The comment section for the article – wade into this swamp at your own peril – is (predictably enough) filled with angry racists trying to explain why race really does matter. Others, meanwhile, seem upset that all this racism is getting in the way of the regular woman-bashing. Still others suggest that men of all races needed to understand the “root cause” of all our “multicultural problems.” That being … teh Jews.
My favorite comment of the bunch, though, has to be this, from Caliente, combining an astounding ignorance of history with some half-digested evo psych:
Btw the reason why there are practically no racist women is simple.
Males of mammals are territorial.
They naturally base they identity from bottom up: family,tribe,nation,race.And naturally react negative to males of different “tribe”.
Females at the same time are receptive to have sex with any males as long as they are alpha enough.
In 19 century whites fucked all the black women because they were alpha and they had recourses,just look at Brasil.Nowadays a feminist will be cheating on her white beta herbling with some black fitness coach because that is how her brain assumes alphaness.
Wow.
Glad we got that all settled!
If I had a female chart I think my biggest issue is wondering what the fuck is going on with my reproductive system at any given stage.
Oh there are racist women, believe you me.
BTW, only MRAs could say “there are practically no racist women” and mean it as criticism.
In case this Roosh fan needs guidance:
http://nuestrahermana.tumblr.com/post/10631318160/women-of-color-vs-colored-women-in-handy-bullets
I’m beginning to get sick of this whole “my personal inadequacies (misogyny, racism, etc.) are everyone’s fault because of my imaginary theories and they are right because equally (if not more) ass-backwards men agree with me and everyone who doesn’t think like me is a doody head” thing. I can’t believe this never gets old to them.
I love this graph. Fucking love it. And I’m going to copy it, manipulate the image, print it out and laminate it into a little card and give it to my man to keep in his wallet.
That way he’ll always be able to take it out and look at it after a stop-and-frisk/stop-and-annoy incident with the cops and remember that “Getting Laid” is a much bigger problem than “Race” in the 21st century.
Nice to know that keeping (all) your money after divorce is slightly more important than keeping your children.
@Nobinayamu
Why, of course race is a minor(ity) issue! White men do not experience issues, ergo the issue does not exist. Unless their opportunities as capable males are hindered by a black man getting the job (naturally, not due to his better skills but because he’s black and thus the employer is forced to hire him; which results in all the best paying jobs being filled by women and men of colour, women of colour being too busy being single mums on foodstamps eating bon bons to apply for jobs), then we have a race issue. The white man being oppressed by minorities.
I just…
Wow. I don’t think I can say anything other than just… wow.
Funnily enough, I didn’t learn about the concept of privilege in any of my schooling between elementary and high school. Teachers were much more likely to go with the “racism is over and a thing of the past except for the few backwards people who still overtly practice it, like in the KKK so as long as everybody is nice to everybody else we can all get along!” I, like a lot of people, thought that racism was something you actively did, rather than a system that you could unconsciously benefit from even if you yourself never did anything overtly racist.
I first had the concept of privilege introduced to me in a college class, by a-GASP!-white male professor.
That chart is the shittiest thing ever. Fuck these guys. The only time they even notice people of color is to use them for their ends or spew their racism all over the rug.
And seriously, if they think there’s no racist women, I will put them in touch with my ex’s mother. That old bat was EVIL.
I kinda assumed these guys would read Daily Fail, considering the comments section is flooded by them. They have almost on daily basis a story of a woman attacking someone who looks like they might be an immigrant on the public transport, or on the streets. Often accompanied by link to YouTube where someone kindly posted the racist attack in full. Maybe it’s not racism but patriotism?
Brazil?
The sheer ignorance of someone thinking there is no racism in feminism astounds me. I mean, you would have to be ignorant of pretty much the entire history of feminism, and racist to boot!
OOOOOOOH…
Why is there such a strong overlap between the game/MRA group and the rascist white supremacist group? The only time I see and disagreement among them is when one tool writes a “I want a foreign chick cos she’ll do what I want” and other dudes pile onto him with ” don’t mix the races man!”.
@nobinayamu, I’m sorry to hear about your man’s experiences, I’m sure the little chart will make him feel so much better.
Yep, it was totally not rich white men that set up the white power dynamic of US society back to the founding, nope, it was the feminists, a movement that didn’t exist in the US until 1848 and that didn’t go by that name until the 20th century. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Jesus wept.
I’m becoming increasingly suspicious that MRAs are holding a secret competition to see who can create the chart that makes the most amount of eyes bleed.
There is a lot of silent, implicit racism amongst white feminists despite their vehement claims to the contrary. After all, liberal != tolerant. I have met quite a few women of color, particularly Mexicanas, who view feminist as a rich white girl thing and see themselves as being Chicano first and Women second.
A movement like this can be very divisive among minority groups who have enough to deal with since they are subjected to other -isms besides “sexism”.
White women are exactly 50% responsible for the white power structure as white men. Sorry to burst your bubble, drst. A lot of lynchings of black men, like the notoriously brutal lynching in Rosewood FL, were triggered by a racist white chick falsely accusing a black man of rape. Knowing full well that white men would hunt him down and murder him based on nothing more than her word. 100 years ago, if a white woman consented to sex with a black man that would be construed as rape because of laws stance against interracial marriage. Who would hang? Hint: Not her!
I did a semester project on the intersection of race and gender, once, but my analysis was (TL;DR version) that masculinity is constructed in American culture in such a way that men of minority ethnicity can’t ever reach ‘full’ manhood.
The implication of that is that minority men should be feminists, but in my youth I assumed that all feminists were up to par on understanding racism and WHOOOOOOPS my bad.
“A lot of lynchings of black men, like the notoriously brutal lynching in Rosewood FL, were triggered by a racist white chick falsely accusing a black man of rape.”
You know a lot of those cases were consensual sex that racist white dudes decided was rape because BIG SCARY EVIL BLACK MAN, right?
So how did people find out? Particularly if she never got pregnant…….eh? I acknowledged that in my prior post but white women certainly did their part at falsely accusing black men of rape and perpetuating white supremacy. What’s asinine is your attempt to blame it exclusively on white MEN.
Right, because it’s totally possible to be responsible for a power structure that you weren’t allowed to vote for or against.
(not to say white women didn’t have a part in the racism… but the power structure? The one they were not allowed to be part of?)
Your argument is that a racist power structure was established 50% by white women, and 50% by white men, correct?
“White women are exactly 50% responsible for the white power structure as white men.”
We need to establish that women are not feminists. Feminists are not women. There may be an overlap in these two groups but they are not mutually inclusive.
The point drst made was that the racist structures that exist in society are RACIST, and that feminism doesn’t intersect there (the genesis of U.S. society, around roughly 1775?). You replied by suggesting that white women and white men were 50/50 responsible for racism.
This is erroneous because women did not have the kind of legal power to create racism on a foundational level (we don’t talk about founding mothers for a reason). You then cited the lynching of black men after the rape of a white woman as an example of women contributing socially to racism, but that example is flawed in that women being racist isn’t the only thing that leads to such a lynching.
White women can be racist. White feminists can be racist. But the argument you are trying to make to support that conclusion is weak.
Dammit, I was just reading an insightful piece on lynching, and how our narratives about it now have very little relation to reality. Was it TNC? I gotta think about this.
Haa haa haa! I love how, “dude feminism has huge racist issues” plus “but white men really wanted to make sure they ran things” becomes “vehement claims” there aren’t racial issues in feminism. Trolls are funneh, yo.
Nope sorry; this is an absurd oversimplification. Many white women were integral to the abolitionist movement. Read Angela Davis’ book Women, Race & Class. Arguing that white women could and can be racist is not the same as arguing that white women despite relative economic and political disenfranchisement were equally responsible for systematic, government sanctioned racism that was the basis of American slavery and subsequent issues with race and civil rights.
But nice try.
Feminism has always had, and continues to have issues with race and intersectionality.
Unlike the bullshit MRA “movement” most mainstream feminism acknowledges this reality and can discuss it openly if not always satisfactorily.
MRAs make stupid fucking “graphs” about how race isn’t important. And that’s when they’re not using words like “thug” to dismiss men of color entirely.