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Women with self-esteem: A grave threat to modern man

Man making a woman worthless
Man making a woman worthless

Hey, horny “nice guys,” you know how you’re always saying nice things to girls and sometimes telling they’re pretty in hopes they decide to sleep with you? Or just gawking at them at the gym?

Turns out that this isn’t such a good thing. Not so much because, you know, staring at women like you’re a serial killer might just creep a lot of women out. But because all this attention might well turn these women into stuck-up you-know-whats, which is a major pain for the world’s horny guys.

In a post on Roosh’s Return of Kings blog with the lovely title “How Women Become Worthless,” some dude named Edward Thatch explains the deadly consequences of people being nice to pretty ladies.

These women, he writes,

start out as decent specimens, but somehow manage to find themselves on the red pill man’s pump-and-dump list. This is a bittersweet topic for me, because while I enjoy a random romp with girls who have managed to concentrate all of their worth between their legs, I’m also well aware of the many added benefits of girlfriending up a good one.

So how do these women become worthless bitches? Well, you see, there’s this thing called the Peter Principle, which suggests that people get promoted and promoted until they end up with a job that’s beyond their capabilities. (Never mind all those people out there who are actually a good fit for their jobs.)

Anyhoo, this happens to pretty ladies too!

A pretty girl posts a sexy pic on facebook and you click like.

 

You just promoted her.

 

The same girl goes to the gym, and a dozen guys stare at her like hungry wolves.

 

Promoted again. …

 

Everything that comes out of her pretty little mouth is super relevant and interesting to the guys who want to bang her.

 

Promoted again.

 

Her beta orbiters trip over themselves trying to please her just for the satisfaction of being near her.

 

Promotion!

 

The list goes on and on, but you get the idea. From the day she’s born until the day she slams into the wall in her mid-30s, she just keeps being promoted until she reaches her level of incompetence. When the day comes that she can’t live up to the position she’s trying to fill – most awesome, sexy and unique thing everrrrr – she becomes a worthless self-centered bore who ends up in my phone as “Blonde HB7 Tiny Boobs Wrist Tattoo.”

Who knew that life for women was nothing more than an endless parade of male flattery? Or that women feel empowered whenever creepy dudes blatantly ogle their bodies at the gym.

So some women end up thinking that they’re pretty.  What’s the harm here? Well, you see, men suffer enormously when women think they’re even a teensy bit hotter than they “really” are. It’s much better for everyone – if by “everyone” you mean all the guys trying to sleep with them – if women hate themselves a little. Or a lot.

Unfortunately,  Thatch laments, it’s men who are to blame for women thinking too highly of themselves.

We create these monsters by promoting otherwise good women far above their grade. If you’re doing this, I respectfully ask you to stop.

As it stands now, these poor overpromoted women end up hitting the proverbial wall when they hit the age of 30, or 25, or 15, or whatever, and suddenly become transformed from young hotties into old hags. And while this is, Thatch proclaims, “a hilarious version of downsizing that sends the old, fat or ugly ones to the feminist welfare line,” he also thinks this is not economically efficient.

Far better for men to handle the “sexual marketplace” in a more rational and efficient way, he concludes, “by knocking off the beta orbiting, white knighting, and supplication that keeps promoting these women to positions they cannot handle.”

Surprisingly, Thatch’s argument provokes some dissent amongst Roosh’s Neanderthal followers. Stuki, for example, points out that Facebook likes might not amount to a damn in this crazy world.

A problem with this diagnosis, is that a single pump and dump … by a perceived alpha or “hot guy”, counts for more than a million Facebook likes, as far as perception of being “promoted” goes. …

It’s not as if women don’t feel equally “promoted” by the guy trying to feel her up at the bar, just because he throws her some neg first, instead of a compliment. IOW, the solution to women being bitches, is not men becoming assholes. If being a whore had real, serious and immediate consequences, women would largely stop being whores. But as long as the only consequence is that she will “forced” to go out alone, and get her “revenge” on her “intolerant”, “sexist” and “Stepford Wife obsessed” ex, by being banged in a toilet stall by someone ostensibly (through beer goggles, if nothing else) handsomer and more “alpha” than he was, she’ll never get it. Whether Mr. Toilet Stall Banger negs her or compliments her first, doesn’t really matter.

Note that Stuki here apparently thinks he’s somehow not already an asshole.

VargisBitch takes issue, a little bit, with the term “worthless.”

They are not worthless but … western women reach a point of uselessness. They have value in the beginning but at that time, they dont use that value for anything serious other that getting pumped left and right, attention whoring etc, you know, the sex and the city dream..after many years of this they are just beyond rescue, their self insteem is inflated beyond any reasonable level…plus they are getting rather old. So yea, at that exact moment, they become wortless. But they still have no reason to panic, there are hordes of horny bluepill men, who didnt get sex during THEIR prime , to pick the sorry remains..

When you understand the dynamics behind this, you are a redpill man.

Most commenters seem to agree, though, with the broad outlines of Thatch’s, er, analysis. Madvillain complains that there are even a few “white knights” to be found even in the manly world of the manosphere.

While there are almost no white night panderers in the manosphere, when a commenter comes along with the user name like “”just a girl”, or “SunshineMary”, guys will breath in that pussy scent wafting from the female name on their computer monitor and congregate around her, demonstrating their alpha intelligence by explaining the ways of the world to the cute little lamb.

Hammer, meanwhile, fantasizes about putting fat ladies in camps.

You can’t just haul off all the worthless ones and put them in some adjacent zone to live in. Instead you have to step into every relationship with a girl knowing she’s going to lie at some point, that she’ll try to manipulate to gain the upperhand, that she will try to contribute very little if anything and that she will start acting difficult at some point along the way, and for what? I honestly don’t know how men have tolerated the crap women throw at them for so long.  …

I never thought I’d say this but maybe a benevolent dictator would be good for a while. A red pill dictator, who would put all the fatties into one zone, we’ll call it the Fat Zone, another can be called the Fem Zone for feminists, all manner of zones so that they could live among their ilk. Want join the Athletic Zone where people are in reasonable good shape? Lose weight, stop eating. Want to join the Equal Zone where men and women are treated equal where men do not give most of the social, economic and legal benefits to women? Sign a contract stating such explicitly. Want to join the Man Zone where the men make the rules and rule the roost? Sign on the dotted line gals. Everyone can get what they truly want. Maybe it won’t be perfect but I sure as hell would prefer it.

Turbo the Drycleaner, who apparently is too manly to bother with the shift key, doesn’t think that technology is the issue here.

beta males are no new invention and have existed, in large numbers, since time began. they are not going away. just because online dating and facebook have immortalized their hamfisted attempts at getting poosy dosnt mean it didnt happen before. girls would get all sorts of looks, gifts, and marrage proposals way back when that fed their egos. you could say that because they are now online, a woman can have constant access to validation but thats not a whole lot diffrent than living in a rural area, as many used to, and seeing the same orbiters every day.

Days of Broken Arrows disagrees:

White knighting was less a problem before the Internet age. You could only stare at a woman so long and most Betas didn’t just walk up to strange women and compliment them.

But nowadays, Facebook and Instagram are major ego-stroking devices for women. Someone needs to do a post called “NEVER like a woman’s Facebook photo.” The massive amount of orbiters on FB makes me ill.

One day in 1955, Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus for a white man, and helped to usher in a civil rights revolution. Could Days of Broken Arrows’ brave refusal to “like” women’s Facebook pictures usher in a similar revolution, this time for men who are so terribly bruised and oppressed by women with self-esteem?

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Zanana
Zanana
11 years ago

I also like that SunshineMary gets a shoutout as an example of a distracting sexpot.

katz
11 years ago

Although, mid thirties as a cut-off line for hotness. That’s shockingly generous.

I was totally thinking that!

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
11 years ago

him: Hm, what about playing “Fuck, Marry, Kill”?

me: But the whole point of that game is that people disagree about what’s attractive!

Oh I know what the problem with MRAs is! They didn’t realize that “Fuck, Marry, Kill” was a choice and not a timeline

gelar
gelar
11 years ago

They even make ignoring people sound dramatic.

Neurite
Neurite
11 years ago

“self insteem”

“self insteem”

Also, in Hammer’s world, where would we put the fat feminists? Would they go in the Fat Zone or the Fem Zone? I need to know this for Important Scientific Reasons. The fact that I find fat feminists to be awesome and attractive is entirely incidental.

And the “Equal Zone where men and women are treated equal” actually sounds awesome… until you realize that he contrasts that to the current world where apparently men “give most of the social, economic and legal benefits to women”. How do you read any news or interact with the current world at all and still believe this to be the case?

“Want to join the Man Zone where the men make the rules and rule the roost? Sign on the dotted line gals.” I’m sure he’ll get lots and lots of applicants.

Canuck_with_Pluck
Canuck_with_Pluck
11 years ago

@The Kitteh’s Unpaid Help:

Unsolicited compliments from random strangers can be nice, but they serve to remind women that they are always in the public eye, and reinforce objectification. Even when someone finds out that you have a non-appearance related talent that could be commented on, they always revert to the physical.

For example A customer at work was third in line to be rung in. They heard me first speak fluent French with the person I was ringing in, then fluent German with the next person, before speaking English (my native tongue) with them. A passing comment on my linguistic ability, then “And coming from someone so pretty, it’s even more admirable”. I don’t think they meant that because I’m pretty, I therefore must be dumb, more that languages are great, but damn it’s even better because I’m pretty…because that’s the MOST important.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
11 years ago

@Katz

Here! Sorry about the quality, I lost my phone-computer link cable and for some reason emailing it makes the photo look all paint-y.

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

Maybe it won’t be perfect but I sure as hell would prefer it.

And we all know that the preference of a poor lamenting dude with a poor lamenting boner is WAY more important than the millions of other people who would theoretically exist in his dystopian dream.

Good grief, it’s like some of these guys never got past the middle-school clique mentality and are PISSED AS HELL that people in the rest of the world largely intermix fairly well with people who aren’t exactly like them.

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

-addendum to the above – not that there aren’t a shit ton of problems between a lot of different groups of people, but I think we can all agree that most rational people at the very least aren’t suggesting “separate but equal” allocations of land anymore.

JustACheeto
JustACheeto
11 years ago

What an eye-opener. All those times I’ve gotten stares or inappropriate compliments from strangers, I wasn’t supposed to feel awkward or dirty or uncomfortable, but promoted!

Roosh, please continue to tell men not to stare at or “compliment” girls. That would totally make me feel safer and happier- I mean awful and worthless. That second thing I said is what I meant.

clairedammit
clairedammit
11 years ago

Red pills, white knights, and blue pills…y’all, we have a flag.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Canuck – urgh, that “coming from someone so pretty” would send it straight to squick zone for me. It’d be either “you’re a sleazy perve” or “gods, what is it with these seventy-year-old guys who think I want their compliments”. Only time I’ve been called pretty and liked it was my hairdresser saying it a while back. She was prolly just all excited about her work, but it was rather touching. 🙂

I don’t think Mr K has ever done a compliment of the “you have such lovely eyes” or anything that specific. What he has done is show-and-tell that I’m beautiful to him because I’m me, because I’m this particular person. That is worlds away (no pun intended) from the demeaning, reduce-someone-to-body-parts alleged compliments these slimeballs are talking about. But like we’ve all said … women as individual human beings isn’t a concept they can grasp anyway, any more than they will ever know what love or affection are.

CWS – high five for the haircut! That is totally the Tenth Doctor – including the glasses. 🙂
Only now I can’t think of you as looking like your gravatar any more. 🙁

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Red pills, white knights, and blue pills…y’all, we have a flag.

Just don’t make it the Oz flag or the Tricolore, y’hear?

katz
11 years ago

CWS, looking good!

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
11 years ago

@Kitteh’s

Thanks 😀 I’m currently researching brown pinstripe suits in my size, and when I get one I’m going to wear it to class. We have a lot of Who fans in my year.

(Also, if I had been smiling I would have looks more like Kamineko – I am terrible at smiling for photographs 😛 )

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
11 years ago

@katz

Thank you! 🙂

katz
11 years ago

Also, new AVfP! Featuring ADVANCED LIGHTING!

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
11 years ago

I’ve finally figured out what this “Red Pill” thing is.

It is apparently a suppository, because its primary effect is to turn one into an enormous asshole.

I do like the “Dictatorship of Zones” idea, though. It will be fun to watch all the “alphas” in the Man Zone cross their arms over their chest and stare at the other men resentfully while they all wait to bicker over the very few women who actually want to enter it. Hey, Fedorakin: you’ll be able to recognize me by my laughter as I sit giggling on the fence between the Man Zone and the Friend Zone (you know, where all the fun is?).

While there are almost no white night panderers in the manosphere, when a commenter comes along with the user name like “”just a girl”, or “SunshineMary”, guys will breath in that pussy scent wafting from the female name on their computer monitor

SunshineMary?

Dude. That smell is not what you think it is.

*gag*

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

CWS – whoa cool, that will look so good!

LOL about Kamineko – I tell ya, that savage kit looks better’n I do smiling in photos. Photogenic I ain’t. I end up re-using the few good photos I have (no flash, right makeup, sheer luck with smile) for all my photo composites. Vanity, vanity … 😛

Integral
Integral
11 years ago

MRAs/PUAs, go right ahead and pool your money and buy yourself an island, call it The Man Zone, whatever. We will all be terribly sad and so very sorry for ever daring to think we were people, I promise *crossing fingers behind back*

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Katz – yay! Pierre looking good in his uniform (and looking stern, for Pierre!) and definitely ADVANCED LIGHTING (no joke, that does look really good).

Tulgey – “I’ve finally figured out what this “Red Pill” thing is.

It is apparently a suppository, because its primary effect is to turn one into an enormous asshole.”

That’s the second cup of coffee gone this morning …

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

It’s just so sad, the idea that we need separate city-states for people who have different ideas about politics. Also impractical – what happens if a woman is born and raised in the Man Zone and decides that actually she’d rather live somewhere (anywhere) else? I’ve moved from one country to another multiple times, there’s a lot of paperwork involved, and don’t MRAs hate bureaucracy?

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
11 years ago

@katz LOL and I love the scented candles for navigation.

And Kitteh, I concur with the coffee assessment. I was lucky my cup was empty too. We don’t need spoiler warnings here, we need ***don’t drink coffee*** alerts instead.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

I tell ya what, if I was queen of France back in the day, I’d have a separate state for these douchebags (who’re douchebags even by seventeenth century standards).

It’d be called the Bastille.

mwuahahahaha

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

We don’t need spoiler warnings here, we need ***don’t drink coffee*** alerts instead.

never was truer word said

CTW (coffee trigger warning)