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Women with self-esteem: A grave threat to modern man

Man making a woman worthless
Man making a woman worthless

Hey, horny “nice guys,” you know how you’re always saying nice things to girls and sometimes telling they’re pretty in hopes they decide to sleep with you? Or just gawking at them at the gym?

Turns out that this isn’t such a good thing. Not so much because, you know, staring at women like you’re a serial killer might just creep a lot of women out. But because all this attention might well turn these women into stuck-up you-know-whats, which is a major pain for the world’s horny guys.

In a post on Roosh’s Return of Kings blog with the lovely title “How Women Become Worthless,” some dude named Edward Thatch explains the deadly consequences of people being nice to pretty ladies.

These women, he writes,

start out as decent specimens, but somehow manage to find themselves on the red pill man’s pump-and-dump list. This is a bittersweet topic for me, because while I enjoy a random romp with girls who have managed to concentrate all of their worth between their legs, I’m also well aware of the many added benefits of girlfriending up a good one.

So how do these women become worthless bitches? Well, you see, there’s this thing called the Peter Principle, which suggests that people get promoted and promoted until they end up with a job that’s beyond their capabilities. (Never mind all those people out there who are actually a good fit for their jobs.)

Anyhoo, this happens to pretty ladies too!

A pretty girl posts a sexy pic on facebook and you click like.

 

You just promoted her.

 

The same girl goes to the gym, and a dozen guys stare at her like hungry wolves.

 

Promoted again. …

 

Everything that comes out of her pretty little mouth is super relevant and interesting to the guys who want to bang her.

 

Promoted again.

 

Her beta orbiters trip over themselves trying to please her just for the satisfaction of being near her.

 

Promotion!

 

The list goes on and on, but you get the idea. From the day she’s born until the day she slams into the wall in her mid-30s, she just keeps being promoted until she reaches her level of incompetence. When the day comes that she can’t live up to the position she’s trying to fill – most awesome, sexy and unique thing everrrrr – she becomes a worthless self-centered bore who ends up in my phone as “Blonde HB7 Tiny Boobs Wrist Tattoo.”

Who knew that life for women was nothing more than an endless parade of male flattery? Or that women feel empowered whenever creepy dudes blatantly ogle their bodies at the gym.

So some women end up thinking that they’re pretty.  What’s the harm here? Well, you see, men suffer enormously when women think they’re even a teensy bit hotter than they “really” are. It’s much better for everyone – if by “everyone” you mean all the guys trying to sleep with them – if women hate themselves a little. Or a lot.

Unfortunately,  Thatch laments, it’s men who are to blame for women thinking too highly of themselves.

We create these monsters by promoting otherwise good women far above their grade. If you’re doing this, I respectfully ask you to stop.

As it stands now, these poor overpromoted women end up hitting the proverbial wall when they hit the age of 30, or 25, or 15, or whatever, and suddenly become transformed from young hotties into old hags. And while this is, Thatch proclaims, “a hilarious version of downsizing that sends the old, fat or ugly ones to the feminist welfare line,” he also thinks this is not economically efficient.

Far better for men to handle the “sexual marketplace” in a more rational and efficient way, he concludes, “by knocking off the beta orbiting, white knighting, and supplication that keeps promoting these women to positions they cannot handle.”

Surprisingly, Thatch’s argument provokes some dissent amongst Roosh’s Neanderthal followers. Stuki, for example, points out that Facebook likes might not amount to a damn in this crazy world.

A problem with this diagnosis, is that a single pump and dump … by a perceived alpha or “hot guy”, counts for more than a million Facebook likes, as far as perception of being “promoted” goes. …

It’s not as if women don’t feel equally “promoted” by the guy trying to feel her up at the bar, just because he throws her some neg first, instead of a compliment. IOW, the solution to women being bitches, is not men becoming assholes. If being a whore had real, serious and immediate consequences, women would largely stop being whores. But as long as the only consequence is that she will “forced” to go out alone, and get her “revenge” on her “intolerant”, “sexist” and “Stepford Wife obsessed” ex, by being banged in a toilet stall by someone ostensibly (through beer goggles, if nothing else) handsomer and more “alpha” than he was, she’ll never get it. Whether Mr. Toilet Stall Banger negs her or compliments her first, doesn’t really matter.

Note that Stuki here apparently thinks he’s somehow not already an asshole.

VargisBitch takes issue, a little bit, with the term “worthless.”

They are not worthless but … western women reach a point of uselessness. They have value in the beginning but at that time, they dont use that value for anything serious other that getting pumped left and right, attention whoring etc, you know, the sex and the city dream..after many years of this they are just beyond rescue, their self insteem is inflated beyond any reasonable level…plus they are getting rather old. So yea, at that exact moment, they become wortless. But they still have no reason to panic, there are hordes of horny bluepill men, who didnt get sex during THEIR prime , to pick the sorry remains..

When you understand the dynamics behind this, you are a redpill man.

Most commenters seem to agree, though, with the broad outlines of Thatch’s, er, analysis. Madvillain complains that there are even a few “white knights” to be found even in the manly world of the manosphere.

While there are almost no white night panderers in the manosphere, when a commenter comes along with the user name like “”just a girl”, or “SunshineMary”, guys will breath in that pussy scent wafting from the female name on their computer monitor and congregate around her, demonstrating their alpha intelligence by explaining the ways of the world to the cute little lamb.

Hammer, meanwhile, fantasizes about putting fat ladies in camps.

You can’t just haul off all the worthless ones and put them in some adjacent zone to live in. Instead you have to step into every relationship with a girl knowing she’s going to lie at some point, that she’ll try to manipulate to gain the upperhand, that she will try to contribute very little if anything and that she will start acting difficult at some point along the way, and for what? I honestly don’t know how men have tolerated the crap women throw at them for so long.  …

I never thought I’d say this but maybe a benevolent dictator would be good for a while. A red pill dictator, who would put all the fatties into one zone, we’ll call it the Fat Zone, another can be called the Fem Zone for feminists, all manner of zones so that they could live among their ilk. Want join the Athletic Zone where people are in reasonable good shape? Lose weight, stop eating. Want to join the Equal Zone where men and women are treated equal where men do not give most of the social, economic and legal benefits to women? Sign a contract stating such explicitly. Want to join the Man Zone where the men make the rules and rule the roost? Sign on the dotted line gals. Everyone can get what they truly want. Maybe it won’t be perfect but I sure as hell would prefer it.

Turbo the Drycleaner, who apparently is too manly to bother with the shift key, doesn’t think that technology is the issue here.

beta males are no new invention and have existed, in large numbers, since time began. they are not going away. just because online dating and facebook have immortalized their hamfisted attempts at getting poosy dosnt mean it didnt happen before. girls would get all sorts of looks, gifts, and marrage proposals way back when that fed their egos. you could say that because they are now online, a woman can have constant access to validation but thats not a whole lot diffrent than living in a rural area, as many used to, and seeing the same orbiters every day.

Days of Broken Arrows disagrees:

White knighting was less a problem before the Internet age. You could only stare at a woman so long and most Betas didn’t just walk up to strange women and compliment them.

But nowadays, Facebook and Instagram are major ego-stroking devices for women. Someone needs to do a post called “NEVER like a woman’s Facebook photo.” The massive amount of orbiters on FB makes me ill.

One day in 1955, Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus for a white man, and helped to usher in a civil rights revolution. Could Days of Broken Arrows’ brave refusal to “like” women’s Facebook pictures usher in a similar revolution, this time for men who are so terribly bruised and oppressed by women with self-esteem?

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Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

“I recommend staying away from the comment box and learning some critical thinking skills.”

“Whimsy, you should stay. You’re way cooler than that tool.”

Seconding both these things.

Demarcq
Demarcq
11 years ago

Also, what if she doesn’t want to stay pregnant? Or give birth? Or raise the kid? Why should she be forced to?

She should not be forced to. When and where did I say that she should? If she doesn’t wish to have the child then she can get an abortion(which is STILL legal in all 50 states and I am not anti-choice FTR).

It is *unlikely* a woman would get pregnant from a one night stand. The average pregnancy rate after a year of unprotected (fairly regular) sex is 80%. Combine that with how women are fertile for less than a week and your odds of fetility on the one night you’re getting it on aren’t all that good.

A woman can time the one night stand for when she’s ovulating. Furthermore, where did you get this statistic from and how does it correlate with a woman’s age?

A 30something woman will have a harder time getting preggers from a one night stand but a woman in her early 20s, particularly if she does it while ovulating and has plenty of sex on a regular basis with other partners, most likely will not.

pillow in hell
pillow in hell
11 years ago

Erm dude…you need to read your last post again, because it does not say what you think it says.

Also, do you posses a uterus? Is it somehow vital to you to know exactly when and how you may become pregnant?

I’m getting a little tired of having this convo with a ‘splainy cis dude who can’t be assed to look up the relevant info, is WRONG, and its not occuring to him that the women speaking to him about it have EVERY reason to know a great deal more about it.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

80% is the standard (widely accepted) “failure” rate of no contraception. So no, age is not a factor, not anymore than it’s a factor in the failure rate of condoms, IUDs, vascectomies, etc.

And if she can abort, wtf makes you think the rate of pregnancy from one-night stands would be more than such a small number that math is a joke? Think about it, the women who are pro-life don’t overlap much with the one-night stand crowd.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

“I’m getting a little tired of having this convo with a ‘splainy cis dude who can’t be assed to look up the relevant info, is WRONG, and its not occuring to him that the women speaking to him about it have EVERY reason to know a great deal more about it.”

Yeah this. No one’s come out with any statistics he can’t google in under 5 minutes, which is best, since he ignored my citation regarding happiness in the US (which did require adding to explain)

Demarcq
Demarcq
11 years ago

Also, do you posses a uterus? Is it somehow vital to you to know exactly when and how you may become pregnant?

I’m getting a little tired of having this convo with a ‘splainy cis dude who can’t be assed to look up the relevant info, is WRONG, and its not occuring to him that the women speaking to him about it have EVERY reason to know a great deal more about it.

If she doesn’t pregnant from a one night stand with the guy and her intent is to get knocked up, then she certainly could continue to fuck him regularly until she does get pregnant. You posted a statistic but won’t provide any evidence for this claim. I never said that a one night stand is a 100% guarantee for pregnancy, but I do know of a number of women who got knocked up from it during their late teens and early 20s.

pillow in hell
pillow in hell
11 years ago

I mean seriously, people who have a uterus tend to spend a fair amount of time and thought either trying to prevent a pregnancy or becoming pregnant. And I have a feeling that women talk amongst ourselves when things like infertility come up.

And no demarcq, its not as easy as you think to figure out when a womans most fertile time is.

Demarcq
Demarcq
11 years ago

Also, WTF does my being cis-gendered have to do with anything? Trans-women don’t have a uterus and cannot get pregnant anyway.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

First, common knowledge facts do not require citations.

Second, wtf part of one-night stand remotely implies continuing to have sex with the same partner until pregnancy occurs!?

katz
11 years ago

Why the hell are we talking about one night stand pregnancy anyway? Who cares?

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Honey, pillow in hell was referring to trans men and non-binaries with uterī.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Cuz we have an “all about me” troll and my statistics pedantry in the same thread?

cloudiah
11 years ago

I never said that a one night stand is a 100% guarantee for pregnancy, but I do know of a number of women who got knocked up from it during their late teens and early 20s.

And how many women do you know for a fact that had one night stands and did NOT get pregnant from it, dudebro? “For a fact” being the important part of that question, since you seem prone to sharing facts from your ass.

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

Nevermind…why do you think most women get pregnant via spermjacking? Your high school biology teachers failed you. Also, women talk about more things than having and/or not having babies. Um, do you know any women?

pillow in hell
pillow in hell
11 years ago

So wait, you want me to provide statistics and documented proof, but hand me your anecdata about friends getting knocked up from a single one night stand.

Right.

Also, trans men do have uterii, and they can become pregnant and they need the same kinds of medical care and knowledge as a cis woman.

I understand that and I don’t want to erase my trans friends or piss off people who don’t identify on the gender binary.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Ha ha ha, “one night stand” apparently means “having sex repeatedly until the woman gets pregnant.” I didn’t even catch that, Argenti!

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
11 years ago

Ha ha ha, “one night stand” apparently means “having sex repeatedly until the woman gets pregnant.” I didn’t even catch that, Argenti!

If I ever have a 1-night stand, I’ll definitely time it for maximum fertility, use no protection, try it multiple times (wah?), and keep whatever results. Who wouldn’t?

Viscaria
Viscaria
11 years ago

Why would I bother wasting money on a cock ring in the first place? I can get and maintain a stiffy just fine, TYVM.

Why I have no interest in going to bed with a sexist assface: Exhibit # 428.

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

Demarcq, can you answer any of our questions (or refute our statements) while making sense?

Anyone wanna take bets now?

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Demarcq fails at knowing what a one night stand is, quelle surprise there.

He thinks spermjacking is a thing that happens, how adorable.

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

Isn’t it, though?

Kim
Kim
11 years ago

I wish I could think that everyone is beautiful in their own way, but I just can’t.

You don’t have to think everyone is beautiful, you just have to remember:

There are lots of different ways to be beautiful.
There are lots of different ways to be worthwhile.

pillow in hell
pillow in hell
11 years ago

Shiraz, I think your last comment was aimed at me.

Yes. I know we talk about and think about a lot more than babies. But I also think we put more into our sexual hygiene than “should I get Trojans or cheapy brand?”

Which is all the thought this guy has given sexual reproduction.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
11 years ago

Demarcq fails at knowing what a one night stand is, quelle surprise there.

“One-night stand” huh… It is a repeated daytime event during which one always gets pregnant. Am I right???

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Which is all the thought this guy has given sexual reproduction.

Aside from “no cock rings,” that is. Which I’m sure is trailing “no fat chicks” by quite a bit with this bag of failure.

Baglesan, you are correct.