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Imaginary feminists! Don’t destroy “Ian Ironwood’s” sexbot utopia!

Even the Bionic Woman had trouble with fembots.
Even the Bionic Woman had trouble with fembots.

Yesterday we looked at far-right manospheran clod/philosopher Vox Day’s melodramatic response to a Canadian sexbot ban that’s completely imaginary (but that Vox, natch, believed was real). Today, let’s look at an almost 3000-word post by one “Ian Ironwood” of the Red Pill Room, spelling out the dire implications of this imaginary legislation.

ProTip: Before writing 3000-word screeds denouncing something, spend 5 minutes with Teh Google to see if what you’re denouncing is in fact real.

Ironwood opens his argument with this dramatic (if slightly ironic) assertion:

The Sexbot threat to feminism is real.

No one wants to admit it, but it’s coming.  Indeed, the only people who recognize it as such are the radical feminists and the radical nerds, and rarely do folks take those groups at face value when they speak.  But they both have it right, sexbots are in our future.  Indeed, they’re closer than you think, and their capacity to seriously screw with the SMP is very, very real.

For those not fully versed in the pseudoscience of pickup artistry, SMP stands for “sexual marketplace.”

Ian starts us off with a little trip to Japan:

Japan, the undisputed global leaders in male masturbation technology, are [sic] investing literally millions in research into this market.  Why?  Because of the herbivores.

 The “herbivores” are the adult males (I hesitate to call them men) in Japanese society who have opted out of the dating-and-mating SMP entirely.  In consideration of the exhausting and complex web of social and financial penalties involved, these men have just . . . given up on women. 

Manospherians like to pretend that Japan’s much-discussed “herbivores” are essentially the Japanese version of Men Going Their Own Way. I’m no expert on Japan but even I know that’s a bit of an oversimplification.

Naturally, in Ian’s mind, it’s all the fault of those uppity ladies:

You think American women feel entitled?  Japanese “princesses” put them to shame.  Their demands and requirements for a husband are often so grandiose or unrealistic that they have turned-off an entire generation of Japanese men to the very idea of marriage, just at the point where their female contemporaries, themselves working in corporate jobs, are starting to consider it.

But when your day consists of going to work in a cube farm and playing the corporate warrior competing with women all day, apparently it saps your desire to deal with them all night, too. 

So, naturally, these poor cube farming herbivores are turning to vagina replacements:

Long an important part of international sex culture, the last few decades have seen rapid advances in masturbation technology, including the disposable Tenga “egg” stroker you can buy in a vending machine for those long lunch hours.  Japanese dudes whack it a lot, and that’s big business.  

And soon – oh, so soon — Japanese masturbation technology will be able to replace not just vaginas but entire women:

[B]y 2018, and certainly by 2020, we’ll see animatronic Sexbots available for purchase that you will not be able to distinguish from a human being more than ten feet away.

Ian, I will bet you literally a billion gazillion dollars that you are wrong about this.

But, for the sake of argument, let’s assume that Ian is correct, and let him continue his most interesting – and increasingly NSFW — survey of the future.

Every aspect of the phenomenon is being developed: realistic-feeling skin, realistic-looking eyes, realistic-sounding voice, realistic weight and mass, realistic movements …

The current state-of-the-art is still primitive, but that’s changing rapidly.  By 2020 your Sexbot will be able to walk, talk, see, hear, suck, fuck, give you an endless handjob, take it up her vibrating butt and do stuff no mortal woman can. 

“Endless Handjob” is going to be the name of my ambient-drone cassette label.

You will be able to order them in any style, from African to Asian to European to Latin and beyond, any height, any weight, and you will be able to personalize them to suit your particular fetish.  Advanced models will have changeable bust sizes and other options.  Hair, eyes, and accent?  Standard options.

I am glad to hear that sexbots will indeed have eyes as an option. It would be sort of weird otherwise. Can they have more than two? Could they have eyes instead of nipples, and nipples instead of eyes? Could you simply swap out various body parts as if your sexbot were some giant sexy Mrs. Potatohead?

Sorry, I’m getting a bit carried away with all the possibilities.

Let’s go back to Ian’s post, which is sounding more and more like some sort of sexbot informercial.

And just how much will dudes have to shell out to get a perfectly-programmed girlfriend delivered to their door?

About the price of an economy car.  Estimates indicate that the best consumer price-point for a Sexbot is about US$7,000.00 (2013).  Leases will likely be available.  So will financing.  But for the average dude, shelling out that kind of cash for the perfect sexual companion is a no-brainer.

I’m pretty sure Ian isn’t thinking with his brain at this point. Heck, he’s even wrong about the cars: a decent economy car is going to cost you at least twice that, and most of them don’t even have vibrating butts.

Imagine a dude getting home from work in his single apartment.  His Sexbot has been pre-programmed to start his dinner and have it ready on demand.  She greets him at the door, asks about his day, gets his dinner, and then spends the rest of the evening satisfying him any way he chooses.  With a sophisticated AI (one of the major focuses of the effort) she will be able to converse with you on nearly any topic or stay blissfully silent.  And you don’t even have to ask about how her day went.

After two years, trade her in for a newer, more advanced model.  Repeat as necessary.

And fellas, this stunningly realistic female human being replacement, with a vibrating butt and as many eyes as you want, will be yours for less than half the cost of a cheap car – in as little as six years from now!

And heck, these sexbots won’t just replace women – they’ll  even replace women who are whores.

Our children’s generation will look forward to a whole lot of men (if Japan is any indication, over half) depending on Sexbots for their erotic entertainment over actual human beings.  Even whores.  Because sexbots are safer than prostitutes by any estimation.

Sounds like life for heterosexual-yet-woman-hating men will become some sort of wondrous sexual utopia!

What could possibly stand in the way of this glorious dream?

Oh, you guessed it already: jealous, and probably ugly, feminists – who for some reason apparently want all of the woman-hating straight men for themselves.

Ian trots out that wholly imaginary Human-Robot Personal Relationship Act that we talked about yesterday. The “proposed law” that turned out to have been an assignment in a law school class about law and robotics. The law that Ian didn’t bother to Google before writing his long, long screed.

Ian is as worked up about this imaginary law as he is excited about his imaginary robot girlfriend(s) of the future. “[T]he thinly-veiled, incredibly obvious motivation behind this freakish proposed law,” he thunders, is that

 feminists are upset because when dudes can buy a girlfriend for less money than an engagement ring, and then have elective temporary vasectomies to cover their bases for the few times they do end up with a real woman, then the future looks an awful lot like a male paradise and a female hell.

Wait, now all men are getting vasectomies as well? Even though they have no reason to bother with mere human females, what with all their talking and their lack of vibrating butts? I’m a little confused now.

What happens when you’re a woman, you want to be a mom, but not only can’t you find a husband . . . you can’t even find decent sperm?  When in order to conceive, you have to convince a dude to commit to providing you with semen, which he can do only AFTER he consciously gets his vasectomy reversed?  No surprise pregnancies, no one-night-stands gone wrong, suddenly the only way a woman can get pregnant is if she can convince a man to commit to her?  If she can even find one who is interested? …

What happens in our society when a majority of working women can’t find husbands – or even dates, thanks to the Sexbot craze – and end up working and paying taxes to subsidize other women’s childbearing?  What happens when a dude with superior genetics can start a bidding war on his balls?

Yeah, but what if Japanese women develop ROBOT SPERM and use it to get pregnant and somehow force men to pay child support for their new human-robot hybrid babies? Did you ever consider THAT, Ian?

I’m not quite sure how all of that would work, exactly, but, hey, the Japanese are awfully clever so presumably they could whip up something like this in, oh, six to eight years or so, right?

But let’s just assume that my idea of robot sperm remains a pipe dream, and that Ian’s pipe dreams somehow become reality. He continues:

The temporary vasectomy is literally just a few years away.  Throw in Sexbots, and suddenly men have reproductive power the likes of which they’ve never dreamed, even at the height of the Agricultural Age.  They will decide when they conceive as a conscious choice, not as a whim of Nature.  Have a bad date with yet-another desperate woman who only wants you for your sperm?  Kandi the Asian 19year old Sexbot will make it all better.

Why is her name Kandi? Is that a common name in Asia?

And that’s why feminists are trying to ban them.  Not because they “objectify” women, but because they make women largely redundant to men.  Suddenly the allure of their genitalia will pale in comparison to the outrageous sexual bombshells rolling off of the Kyoto assembly lines. 

I’m sorry; I just love that last sentence there so much I have to repeat it:

Suddenly the allure of their genitalia will pale in comparison to the outrageous sexual bombshells rolling off of the Kyoto assembly lines. 

Ian dreams on:

Sexbots will actually cure a plethora of social ills: STDs, AIDS, unwanted pregnancy, sexual frustration, loneliness, heartbreak, child sexual exploitation, and more.  Far from making men objectify women . . . it will merely make them ignore them.  Men with Sexbots won’t treat women poorly, because more likely than not, once they have the “perfect” programmed girlfriend at home, there really won’t be any reason to interact with women unless you’re at work.

Yes, because aside from sticking his penis in them, there is clearly no possible reason why a man would ever want to have anything to do with women.

Just imagine a society where any man can get his ashes hauled at any time, in any way, without having to ask a live woman to participate.  Just imagine a society where women can’t get “accidentally” pregnant anymore.  Not only is the impetus to marry absolutely killed, but even the impetus to mix with the opposite sex.  And that’s what is scaring feminists, not the potential for objectification.

Yes,  I’m sure feminist women are crying themselves to sleep at the notion that asswipes like Ian will refuse to “mix” with them any more.

Happily, for him, Ian concludes that the (wholly imaginary) Human-Robot Personal Relationship Act won’t stand up in court. Because of NAFTA, or something. (I kind of skimmed this bit.) But then he’s back to imagining the wondrous possibilities of a sexbotted-up world. Which apparently involves a lot of robot dismemberment.

Just imagine the result if sex with “realistic” Sexbots is actually made illegal . . . why not just pop an alien head on?  Or a animatronic animal head?  Or just a silvery glass sphere?  That’s the real danger for women when it comes to Sexbots: their ability to be customized in ways no woman would ever consent to. 

Uh, I’m pretty sure no living creature, regardless of gender, would consent to having their head “popped off” and replaced with a sphere.

Can’t have a “realistic” full-body Sexbot?  Then just buy her from the waist down.  And then next year spring for a separate torso and head.  You can use them separately, or together! 

Who needs a human girlfriend when you can just fuck a torso?

Cant’ have a Sexbot that portrays a minor?  Get a really, really small model, and no one knows what happens in your imagination.

How thoughtful! So even pedophiles will have a place in Ian’s sexbot utopia.

So while imaginary feminists propose imaginary laws to fight the coming sexbot utopia, Ian will be licking his chops.

I, for one, will be welcoming our new Sexbot masters.  It’s going to tighten up the SMP worse than gay liberation did.  And it’s going to make shallow, poor-quality women completely and utterly undatable, and leave them little or no options to reproduce.  And the women who do reproduce will do so only with the permission, consent and acquiescence of men.

I’m beginning to wonder if this “red pill” is actually some sort of hallucinogenic.

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cloudiah
11 years ago

My porn name is Whiskers Spoleto. My MRA name is Daniel Toasteroventile.

CassandraSays
11 years ago

I might actually read that Tumblr, if by “read” we mean “send links to friends when you’re bored so that you can bond by mocking together”.

M Dubz
11 years ago

Hugh Washingmachineformica. Lulz.

Re: the original post. If a person wants to have the sex with a robot, that’s totally fine! It might even be a good sexual outlet for people with impossible to realize fetishes.

… but I’m pretty sure this isn’t about sex. It’s about not having to put in the work in a real relationship like treating the other person like a, well person, and about sticking it to all the real women.

Hint gentlemen. We might think you’re weird (although I do my best to be open minded). But we’re not going to form a lynch mob and rage because you are not having the sex with flesh and blood ladies. There’s plenty of guys who don’t do that now, and we don’t rage at them.

emilygoddess
11 years ago

My MRA name is Harrison HotGlueGunFormica!

Doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue, does it?

I feel your pain.

-Joel EspressoMachine Corian

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The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

I’m seeing a Porn for Cats theme developing here.

Whiskers Spoleto and Fatty Fish Route 1 starring in …

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
11 years ago

His URL could be imnotsteeleok.tumblr.com

M Dubz
11 years ago

@cassandra- I wouldn’t want to encourage him though. He’s so utterly singleminded at seeking out attention from TEH EBUL FEMINISTS that it’d feel like giving him what he wants.

Labov
Labov
11 years ago

Creative Writing Student, I was having problems last year. I got some medication for my depression and it helps. That’s why I was around so much. Also, if you told him I’m still, that’s not the real story and you’re lying, because as said, I’m NOT STEELE.

Anyway, I just happened to leave the window open, so I thought I’d respond, but I’m not going to be back. Goodbye.

CassandraSays
11 years ago

Yeah, you’re right.

FEED ME! And he never stops being hungry.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
11 years ago

How many “I’m leaving”s was that? Three? Four? Five?

Ye gods.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Flounce score stands at -2/10 (I subtract 3 for flounce fails)

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
11 years ago

So, my brother posted this thing on facebook the other day where scientists have taken a cue from nematodes (males cement shut their partner’s gonopore (and male nematodes are not very picky about which sex they chose to do the wriggly with)… okay it’s not all that much like cementing, but I just wanted to talk about nematodes okay soshutup) and can inject some sperm zappy gel into the vas deferens. Given my lack of vas deferentia, I have not seriously investigated whether this is a Thing in the World.

cloudiah
11 years ago

I hate when I just happen to leave a browser window open, and then can’t seem to stop myself from posting over and over in a place where I know I’m not wanted, promising repeatedly to leave without ever actually leaving.

Wait. I’ve never actually done that.

PennyDreadful
PennyDreadful
11 years ago

“6:15 PM “I’m done with this place.”
7:24 PM “Bye.”

I don’t think I’ve ever had an unwanted guest who managed to stretch “goodbye” out for more than an hour. ”

It’s the “I don’t hear you it’s a free country my life’s goal is to make you all as uncomfortable as possible” flounce. My current ex is an avid student : P

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
11 years ago

@Dreadful, sad for him then that I don’t feel uncomfortable. Bemused is probably the closest feeling, but I don’t have enough interest invested in him to feel much of anything.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Too bad there’s no drug for bad boundaries and not fucking off when told to repeatedly.

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The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Protip, Mr Al: having depression doesn’t turn you into a douchebag. That’s something you just have to own.

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11 years ago

Kiwi girl – seconded! “Mildly amused contempt” is about as far as it goes for me.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

He doesn’t make me feel uncomfortable. I’m just incredulous that someone could be this pathologically in need of any attention and will go to such great lengths to get it. It’s really fucking pathetic.

Shaenon
11 years ago

FIVE THINGS IAN BELIEVES ABOUT JAPAN WHICH MAY NOT BE 100% ACCURATE:

1. The decline in Japan’s birthrate is caused by “herbivore” men swearing off women.

Not that there aren’t some otaku guys who have chosen anime body pillows over dating, but they’re a tiny minority. A much bigger factor is that middle-class women are putting off marriage for as long as possible so they don’t have to stop working.

And the biggest factor of all is the boring truth that the population is simply aging. Japan is going through the same population bottleneck that most first-world countries are facing right now, but its bottleneck is more extreme because it went through a faster birthrate decline in the 1970s-1980s and, unlike the U.S., it hasn’t compensated with immigration (although that’s changing). It’s not because nerds are holding out for more submissive women.

2. Japanese businessmen are stressed out from having to deal with powerful career women who compete with them all day.

Given that corporate Japanese culture is still largely stuck in the “Mad Men” model of workplace gender divisions and sexual harassment and sex discrimination, although technically illegal, are almost never persecuted and frequently result in the plaintiff being blacklisted from the entire industry…I’m just going to sigh and shake my head here.

(Japanese corporate culture is changing, and a lot of the old stereotypes are long out of date, but change comes slowly, especially at the big companies. We’re talking about businesses that still refuse to give up on fax machines, for pity’s sake.)

3. Japanese companies are “he undisputed global leaders in male masturbation technology.”

Excuse me, but who created the RealDoll? AMERICAN PRIDE, PEOPLE.

Japan does produce some boss robots, but if what you want is an AI that can convincingly talk, cook and pretend to have orgasm, invest in Silicon Valley. (More like SILICONE Valley, amirite? Because sexbots.) Japan trails the U.S. in computer technology.

Plus, Japanese tech companies have no sense of design. Who’s going to make a better-looking sexbot, Apple or Toshiba? Look at their computers.

4. In Japan, you can get sex toys out of vending machines.

Guess what? You can get sex toys out of vending machines in the U.S., too. At sex toy shops. Exactly the same place you get them in Japan. I know we gaijin like to gawk at Japan’s supposedly porn-crazed culture, and it’s true that Tokyo seems bent on filling every unused space in the city with vending machines, but 95% of those machines sell water, coffee, and soft drinks with unappetizing names. You really have to go looking to find the weird ones.

Corporate offices do not have sex egg vending machines for salarymen looking for a little lunch-hour pick-me-up. Even though that would be awesome.

5. “Kandi” is a common Asian name.

Okay, it is for 19-year-old Asians who are also robots.

M Dubz
11 years ago

@Penny- I’m sorry about your ex. I hope he steps on a lego, or learns about proper boundaries.

@Cassandra:

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
11 years ago

Kelley Tablesawgranite. Not excellent.

Malle
11 years ago

I find this all incredibly funny. If sexbots were really going to replace women then why haven’t Real Dolls already? According to all the current customers, they feel practically like the real thing and the product moves with you during sex. Sure, it can’t do housework or cook, but one would think that if men REALLY wanted to just stick it to women that Real Dolls would be a lot more popular than they are (Wikipedia says only 4,000 have ever been sold worldwide). Where is the revolution?

Also, I love the price for the robot. $7000 is about the price for a high-end sex doll on the current market. What makes him think that a fully functioning robot would be so cheap?

A full blown robot takes millions just to develop. I’m sure the “market” price for them if they ever existed would at LEAST be in the $100,000s for USD if not millions. The human body is very difficult to reproduce and a robot that could move everything like a human it would probably be very delicate because of how tiny all the wiring would be. Just pushing the face too hard might destroy it because machines do not move and adapt to pressure like flesh even if they are covered in some sort of plastic equivalent. Hell, in my DS, the wires are LITERALLY paper thin and rip with just a small bit of pressure. If the casing was made of jelly, a small drop might break everything inside. If I held it took hard it might snap something so I could only imagine how much sex these things could take.

Shaenon
11 years ago

I am also skeptical of the Sperm Strike addendum to Ian’s sexbot plan. All it takes is one strikebreaker to get the ladies back in business.

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11 years ago

An MRA with an excellent name would probably be hounded out of the *cough* movement *cough* on general principles.

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