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War Declared on Misandric Pants

Puppy battling the evil of Misandric Pants
Puppy battling the evil of Misandric Pants

One effect of living within the ideological bubble of the Men’s Rights movement is what you might call ideological inflation: MRAs start off believing, for example, that women don’t face discrimination today, in the developed world — an idea that’s wrong enough to start with. But then, surrounded by other delusional MRAs who reinforce their every wrong notion, the denizens of the Men’s Rights bubble come to believe that women haven’t ever been discriminated against anywhere and at any time in the history of the world. (You may recall those evil cavewomen who sat around eating prehistoric bon bons while the men hunted the mammoth to feed them.)

And that leads to things like the following video, in which the FeMRA video maker who calls herself The Wooly Bumblebee declares war on a pair of “Misandric Pants” she bought for her daughter by accident.

Yep, that’s right, she’s furious because one fucking percent of the proceeds made from selling these pants goes to a charity fighting against the very real discrimination and oppression that girls face all over the globe. You know, like being denied educations because they’re girls. Like being forced into child marriages with adult men. Like being forced into prostitution as children. That sort of thing.

Apparently girls don’t suffer from being repeatedly raped as children. But boys are totally oppressed because a tiny portion of the profits from a pair of pants goes to a charity that talks about, and tries to do something about, the shit girls have to endure because they are girls.

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leftwingfox
8 years ago

I liked ST:TNG a lot when it came out. It took me a while to warm up to DS9, largely because I thought Avery Brooks was way too wooden in his acting. He loosens up substantially though, to the point where his unnaturally stiff demeanour in the first season or two actually starts to look like a brilliant long-term portrayal of the emotional damage he suffered at Wolf 359.

The long-term story arcs from the cross-pollinization with Babylon 5 were a high point for Star Trek generally too, and I was hooked during the Dominion War.

After DS9, Voyager was such a let down. I wanted the ship to start looking more like the Millenium Falcon, full of closed sections, cross-patched systems, salvaged parts and comfortable spaces as crew discipline started to break down in favor of the “big happy family” that Trek crews were famous for. That series made me allergic to time travel and holographic technology as plot points.

Then “Enterprise” came along set centuries in the past, and in the very first episode we get… time travel and holographic technology. Done.

I’m SUCH a frelling Farscape fan now. 😀

Shiraz
Shiraz
8 years ago

Oh, Farscape! One of the Sci-Fi’s channel’s more successful shows. I loved how Crichton dropped pop culture references all over the place and his alien companions never knew what the hell he was talking about. One time, a Nebari took over the ship, and Crichton kept commenting on how much she looked like Debbie Harry. The Nebari got pissed with him, and he replied, “You’d better do what she says, ’cause she gonna get ya, gonna get ya!”

I watched DS-9. Would you believe one of my favorite characters was Elim Garak?
I liked TNG too, though I got sick of all the storylines about Worf’s old family ties to the Klingon Empire — not ALL of them, just some of them. Deanna never got to beat anyone up; they just glass-ceiling-ed the lady. Her mother was a pistol, though.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
8 years ago

We’re a diverse bunch here, even on sci-fi preferences. Thanks for all the comments on why naval terms are used, poor air force. Re the DS9 comments, I *hated* the Ferengi as characters, possibly because I viewed the few episodes I saw as having strong and horrid racial stereotypes. And I thought Picard was too diplomatic to the point of being submissive in order to avoid confrontation, which is not how I would believe a captain or commander would behave. I much preferred Voyager, because I liked Janeway so much: firm but fair. However, repeating the phrase “finding your humanity” (was it a rule to mention this phrase at least once per bloody episode?) with respect to 7 of 9 was annoying.

I really liked Farscape, and we bought all the series on DVD. I liked Pa’u Zotoh Zhaan and was sad to see that character go, I read somewhere it was because Virginia Hey was having such a bad reaction to the blue make-up.

And I’m a huge Blake’s Seven fan. Apart from the last episode in the last series.

drst
drst
8 years ago

@Polliwog – I’m terribly sorry that happened to you. As you say, the US ratings sytem is a horrible mess that doesn’t really provide a lot of useful information.

Can I rant about “Saving Private Ryan” for a minute? Because I have developed a fairly deep hatred for Spielberg ever since I learned he ripped off a good portion of Maus in “Schindler.” And SPR breaks one of the cardinal rules of editing with such contempt that I left the theater fuming over the editing rather than caring about the movie. (The opening scene in the graveyard is match-edited to a close up of Tom Hanks’ face, creating the implication that the guy in the graveyard is him. Except it’s not. I don’t care who Spielberg thinks he is, he can’t fuck with the language of film that way.)

Also ditto on Spielberg always going for the trite and saccharine parts of any story. It was cute when he was doing adventure movies but it cheapens any drama he undertakes.

OK done ranting about that.

I will spare you the ranting about Trek or I’ll be here all day. 😉

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

::flaps hands::

I loved Blake’s 7! And yeah, hated the way they ended it. Cried my eyes out.

“Also ditto on Spielberg always going for the trite and saccharine parts of any story. It was cute when he was doing adventure movies but it cheapens any drama he undertakes.”

I felt like that watching War Horse. I’ll be seeing the play this weekend (am SO looking forward to watching those puppets!) and it’ll be interesting to see the story told sans Spielberg.

Falconer
8 years ago

Because I have developed a fairly deep hatred for Spielberg ever since I learned he ripped off a good portion of Maus in “Schindler.”

What’d he rip off? Here’s excerpts from a conversation in the Village Voice in which Art Spiegelman says Spielberg ripped off Maus for An American Tail, but the excerpts don’t include what he has to say about if he saw anything of his own work in Schindler.

I do think there is a point to the argument that the Jews are completely beside the point of Schindler.

Falconer
8 years ago

I feel like I ought to add that I saw Schindler’s List once, a long time ago, it moved me to tears, but I haven’t thought about it and I don’t have anything invested in it, so I’m sorry if that last post came off as an aggressive defense.

Falconer
8 years ago

I haven’t watched any Blake’s 7 yet.

I love Red Dwarf, but I thought perhaps Dwayne Dibbley was getting overused, and then on the other hand, maybe the showrunners started to feel like the Cat was one-dimensional.

I enjoy some episodes of Next Gen, but others I don’t like. I found myself skipping over episodes on Netflix. Of course, I also skipped over episodes of TOS. I couldn’t get all the way through “The Paradise Syndrome” this time, and “And the Children Shall Lead” felt awkward.

I’ve watched a few episodes of DS9 but I haven’t nerved up to watch any Voyager.

I made it all the way through Enterprise and didn’t watch the finale because it had been spoiled and I didn’t like what I was hearing. Earlier in the last season, I found myself oddly touched by (rot13 Zveebe!Nepure. Gurer’f n ovg jurer vg orpbzrf boivbhf gung ur vf n yvggyr puvyq va n zna’f obql, ur’f va bire uvf urnq, naq uvf cynaf ner nyy sehfgengrq, naq jung ur qbrf vf serrmr naq fgneg cnavpxvat hagvy fbzrbar ryfr trgf gur fuvc jbexvat.

Nyfb, uvf pncgnva ehaf vagresrerapr sbe uvz naq ynlf qbja uvf yvsr sbe uvf perj, juvpu jnf abg fbzrguvat V jnf rkcrpgvat sebz na Rnegu Rzcver pbzznaqre.

Falconer
8 years ago

Dang! forgot to close a parenthesis.

katz
8 years ago

“Ripped off” seems like a generally unfair accusation to level at filmmakers because of the nature of the medium; everyone has ripped off someone at some point and the boundary between ripoff and influence and homage is so thin and amorphous and so many masterpieces are blatant ripoffs.

leftwingfox
8 years ago

Katz: That makes more sense. I didn’t see much similarity between “Maus” and “Schindler’s List”, even though they were both based on true stories from the same historical events. I can totally see Spiegelman being pissed off at Spielberg and Bluth for “American Tail”.

katz
8 years ago

Well the similarity would be Jews depicted as mice and their historical prosecutors depicted as cats. On the one hand, yeah, that’s a striking resemblance. On the other hand, Bluth was dueling with Disney at the time, so if it was actually trying to rip off anything, it’s more likely The Great Mouse Detective. And once you’ve got mouse protagonists, cat antagonists are an obvious choice.

None of which makes Spiegelman have any less right to think his work was being exploited, of course.

Starla
Starla
8 years ago

You know, this article is kindof funny when you remember that this comes from people who think women are snobby bitches that have to be in the spotlight all the time. It makes their reaction to not being in the spotlight the saddest kind of hilarious.

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

Voyager was the first Trek I watched. I think it gets too much crap from lots of Trekkers… Okay, I do like DS9 the best, as I said. Voyager, yeah, they had some problems, like how they alternated between talking about limited supplies and seeming to have endless supplies, and the “alien of the week, then press reset button” syndrom. BUT TNG had a lot of the latter as well. Overall I liked the Voyager crew, and I LOVE that they had a female captain who didn’t have to be traditionally attractive or anything, just a normal-looking thirty-something strong woman in a normal uniform being a space hero. I think that’s one of the reasons I got stuck on Trek to begin with, and several female trekkers I know say the same.
(And it was silly fan-service to have Seven in that catsuit, but she was still a very good character.)

Re ferengis as racial stereotypes… When I started watching DS9, I just saw the ferengis as exaggerated versions of present-day western humans. Consider:
– They think the market forces are divine forces that arrange everything for the best (totally true about our current government as well)
– The closest thing they have to a holy scripture is a glorified self-help book with 300 pieces of advice and aphorisms on how to get rich and successful
– If a person in their society is really talented, but doesn’t know how to turn that talent into money, he’s a loser, since money and material success is all that counts.
– The workers in their society believe laissez-faire capitalism is in THEIR best interest too, because if they work hard enough, one day they can also become rich and successful capitalists.
– And oh, it’s explicitly pointed out in one ep that humans used to be like ferengi some hundred years ago.

The producers also stated that they intended the ferengi as such; parodies of present-day humans placed among the enlightened and noble future humans of Star Trek.

HOWEVER, I know that intent isn’t magical or make everything allright. And there is clearly a case to be made for them being antisemitic stereotypes – they’re greedy little bastards mostly played by Jewish actors. And some Jews and Jewish groups have criticised them on that point. Knowing this, and knowing that I’m not a Jew so it’s not my place to judge whether they’re antisemitic or not, I still can’t help enjoying them as parodies of us…

(Final note: The case has also been made that the Bajorans are totally the Jews of the alpha quadrant. Their religion is an important part of their identity, they’ve been slaughtered and put in concentration camps by a racist dictatorship, and *sigh* their distinguishing feature are their noses…)

Falconer
8 years ago

HOWEVER, I know that intent isn’t magical or make everything allright. And there is clearly a case to be made for them being antisemitic stereotypes – they’re greedy little bastards mostly played by Jewish actors. And some Jews and Jewish groups have criticised them on that point. Knowing this, and knowing that I’m not a Jew so it’s not my place to judge whether they’re antisemitic or not, I still can’t help enjoying them as parodies of us…

(Final note: The case has also been made that the Bajorans are totally the Jews of the alpha quadrant. Their religion is an important part of their identity, they’ve been slaughtered and put in concentration camps by a racist dictatorship, and *sigh* their distinguishing feature are their noses…)

I don’t see why they can’t share the title….

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

True, Falconer. One could regard them as the positive vs the negative Jews. Or something like that.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Warning, I’m about to comment geek sacrilege…I could never get into any of Star Trek. Picard could manage to hold my interest for an hour, but I just couldn’t care enough to actually watch.

*ducks*

Falconer
8 years ago

I might be inclined to regard the Bajorans as “the Jews the Yanks trot out when they want to feel good about themselves.”

Not to deny the experience of the survivors, but it’s been kind of taken over by Hollywood, seems to me.

I’m not sure us telling ourselves all these stories about beating the Nazis is doing the Jews any good. Like how all the ultra-Christian-based Israel ra-ra over here has that hidden sting of, “So that way our religion can be proven true!”

Falconer
8 years ago

Warning, I’m about to comment geek sacrilege…I could never get into any of Star Trek. Picard could manage to hold my interest for an hour, but I just couldn’t care enough to actually watch.

Well, that’s great. At least we’ll only argue over Doctor Who. 😛

Seriously, don’t feel bad, you don’t have to watch Star Trek to be a geek.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I think the realization that fundies support Israel because they think it’s going to help bring on the apocalypse was what tipped me over from “I do not understand these people” to “these people are 100% batshit”.

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

I’m a Browncoat 🙂

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

LOL Argenti! I feel that way about most television series. Anything that’s on commercial television … nope, not happening, I don’t care how good it is, I’m not sitting through ads. Even series I like don’t get me super-involved or passionate.

pecunium
8 years ago

Lauralot: If you want to spin, on a spindle I’d recommend the following:

1: A decent spindle (Shchact, or Louet are good) of about 2 oz. weight).
2: “Respect the Spindle”, which is a book (with lots of illos) about nothing but spindle spinning.

Most spinning books are meant for wheel users, and have a throwaway chapter about spindles, which tends to be dismissive in effect, if not intent. They do the same thing, but very differently, and each has its virtues.

I recall the time when the more relevant part of the name was, “drop”, not spindle. What was causing it for me was a lack of twist, usually caused because I didn’t have enough feel for the yarn to realise the spindle had reversed direction.

pecunium
8 years ago

The only Trek I could get into was the original series, and (to a lesser extent) the movies.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Falconer — lovely! It’d be awesome if 11 could find a happy balance between disinterested wimp hiding in a cloud and OMGS did you forget that you’re a damned pacifist?!

Kitteh — Doctor Who gets me, even with the Moffat, because dinosaurs on a space ship! That and sort of Criminal minds and NCIS, brain crush on Reed, and OMGS Abby! (I want her music collection!)

katz
8 years ago

I don’t care how good it is, I’m not sitting through ads.

That’s why the internet was invented. Sincerely, someone who doesn’t own a TV.

katz
8 years ago

Doctor Who gets me, even with the Moffat

Dear God, it’s like a verbal tic for you.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

“That’s why the internet was invented. Sincerely, someone who doesn’t own a TV.”

But, but … if I’m on the internet I need to be on Man Boobz!

TV’s something for sitting-down-watching-with-Mum, and we cycle through our DVD collection. 🙂

katz
8 years ago

We use our projector with our computer to watch movies; we’ve got it all rigged to run from the other room. Oh, the gleeful freedom of being able to drill holes in your own ceiling.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

LOL freedom indeed!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I had a funny moment there when I remembered that it wasn’t always possibly to watch anything you want to watch on the internet.

Once, in days of yore, you had to turn on the television in order to watch TV shows.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

I also have a phone that just makes calls, does messages and takes fairly crappy photos.

It can survive falling in the dunny, though. 😉

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Take “with the Moffat” to mean “with the sudden influx of gender essentialism bullshit”

katz
8 years ago

And take “the sudden influx of gender essentialism bullshit” to mean “that one thing that happened in that one episode.”

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Is he the guy who wrote Blink? I don’t recall anything particularly gendered about that.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

If you two can’t behave I’m gonna send you to your rooms without supper!

Falconer
8 years ago

Is he the guy who wrote Blink? I don’t recall anything particularly gendered about that.

Yes, he wrote Blink. He’s also been producer since Matt Smith started playing the Doctor.

Argenti — I’m sorry the show has disappointed you, but I like it that the Doctor isn’t always the person who saves the day, and usually when companions leave, he’s all fine and jolly the next episode, so I liked it that he was all sulky and I don’t wanna play no more … but I also liked it when he put the bow tie back on.

The show has disappointed me in the past, but if I stopped watching, then I wouldn’t have the bits that I enjoyed. I know that sounds like a tautology, but I’m enjoying what I enjoy while acknowledging that it has flaws.

Keep up mentioning Moffat every third comment, though, and I’ll go get you your own Tumblr. 😛

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Film generally isn’t my medium, unless it’s animation. (And then, only the stuff I can identify with my old animation summer camp as a wee thing. Every time I watch CGI, I’m left with a lingering dismay that I can’t truly appreciate the amount of work put into it.) So my Star Trek knowledge is craptastic; I’ve seen some of the original series, and as a wee child saw some Next Generation but don’t remember it. Doctor Who is similarly spotty.

Film is just too immersive for me; it’s really annoying! Either it has ALL my attention, or NONE of my attention, and I can’t switch from one to the other very quickly. (Because, make all the jokes you want, I give you full license: for a multi, I am a LOUSY multi-tasker.)

…I own Men In Black? :D?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Gotta say, I’m not wild about Matt Smith, but the thing with Dr Who is that anyone you don’t like (cast, writers, whatever) will eventually be replaced.

katz
8 years ago

And then, only the stuff I can identify with my old animation summer camp as a wee thing. Every time I watch CGI, I’m left with a lingering dismay that I can’t truly appreciate the amount of work put into it.

What’s funny is my old animation summer camp was CG, so I’m totally the opposite XD

Kitteh, I’ll be good *hangs head, draws in dust with toe*

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

For being good, Katz, you can go look at the new post, which is just BEGGING for a Pierre intervention. 🙂

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

I’ve mentioned it before, but I can’t watch the Matt Smith Dr. Who. He’s the spitting image of my douchiest ex, and I just can’t.

Falconer
8 years ago

Gotta say, I’m not wild about Matt Smith, but the thing with Dr Who is that anyone you don’t like (cast, writers, whatever) will eventually be replaced.

This.

I was just looking at an image of a letters page from 1966 or thereabouts, with two different opinions on the changeover from Hartnell to Troughton. The first letter was all “I say, boffo old chum!” and the second was all table-flipping raeg at the “Now it’s all Bozo the Clown, the kids will hate it!”. The third letter was all, thank you William Hartnell for a wonderful time.

Don’t like Jo? Keep watching. Don’t like Romana? Keep watching. Don’t like Adric? Keep watching. I’m just going to leave this Kleenex box here.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: katz

Aw, you did a CG animation camp? That’s so awesome! Yeah, I was all flipbooks and stop-motion. Gave me a HUGE appreciation for crap like Coraline. But I watch things like Wreck-It Ralph, and though I enjoy it on a story level, part of me is sad because THE SHEER AMOUNT OF WORK that must have gone into it!

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“Gotta say, I’m not wild about Matt Smith, but the thing with Dr Who is that anyone you don’t like (cast, writers, whatever) will eventually be replaced.”

It’s is why I keep watching and hoping it’ll return to the way I loved 10.

And I don’t hate all of Moffat’s episodes, it’s just that nearly (?) all of 11’s gender BS is because of Moffat. That Christmas special was being all kinds of amazing and then WHAM! we need a mother ship! >.<

I suspect there already is a goddamn you Moffat tumblr though!

Also, his hiding in the clouds sulking wasn’t 100% annoying, I certainly understand the sulking. It was the completely ignoring everything until she happened to coincidental use the magic word “pond”. Ten defined emo at times, but was never really the violent sort — 11 keeps going back and forth between reasonable reactions (and even depressive ones, eg God Complex) to fucking “I am going to kill you, except Amy stopped me” — and then the end of the dinosaurs episode. My mother thinks that was justified, but it just feels so very un-Doctor-ish.

11 is not 10 though, and my love of 10 is certainly part of the problem here *goes to corner of shame*

Falconer
8 years ago

Aw, you don’t have to go to the corner of shame just because you love 10.

I walk among you, loud and proud, and I say unto thee: Six was really not such a bad bloke, if you give him a chance*.

The audio dramas with 8 can be among the best of Who.

And yes, I like Silence in the Library and the one with the traffic jam and I was really excited when the Sontarans came back.

*Colin Baker is a humongous Who booster and he’s done many audios for Big Finish. I feel like he is ill-paid if we do nothing but scorn his Doctor.

Fed Up With the M-sphere
Fed Up With the M-sphere
8 years ago

Some woman who’s ingratiating herself to the Manosphere right now says that women are causing the most environmental damage to the planet by purchasing scented candles!

I believer she calls herself “judgy bitch”. And oh yeah, she has kids too and last I checked, that was perhaps the largest contributor to planetary environmental damage.

pillow in hell
pillow in hell
8 years ago

Yeah we met judgy bitch, but I don’t think she’s the one that came up with SCENTED FUCKING CANDLES!

One of the best threads ever.

drst
drst
8 years ago

@Falconer @Katz – I don’t have a link or anything, but there are both concepts and invidual shots in Schindler that are very close to the Maus books. The one I remember most vividly is the final shot of the movie. I’m less annoyed about the concepts, but that Spielberg copied actual shots and perspectives from the books offends me.

I hate Shaving Ryan’s Privates more than Schindler, but it’s a close call.

@titianblue – Browncoats Forever.

Fed Up With the M-sphere
Fed Up With the M-sphere
8 years ago

Like I said, Pillow, she’s new around “the sphere” and trying to ingratiated herself to them (much like Alte and others did back in the day, there seems to come a new batch of female groupies every six months or so, high turn over rate), and so she obviously read about “the sphere’s” disdain for evil scented fucking candles and decided to run with it in order to garner comments like, “Glad to know there are still some good, solid women out there. Your husband is one lucky man” on her blog.