So over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, the top post at the moment (with more than 370 net upvotes) is a link to this image:
If I might hazard a guess: that’s because IT HAS YOU NUMBSKULLS.
Sigh. Let’s look at a little chart showing the striking decline in the incidence of rape we’ve seen in the last 30 years.
This is based on data from the National Crime Victimization Survey. Some have criticized the survey’s methodology and say that it undercounts the incidence of rape, but even if that is true, the trend is clear: Rape has declined significantly over the past three decades, and I think it’s fairly obvious that increased awareness and understanding of rape, largely the result of feminist anti-rape campaigns, has contributed significantly to this decline.
Naturally, those who tried to point this out in r/mensrights found themselves downvoted.
Well I’ve had a pretty good run with the blockquotes, but I guess it had to happen eventually…
I got my iVag on contract. Monthly payments and all that, but it’s well worth it.
I had to upgrade my data plan for the iVag. Money well spent.
You think that’s old? Mine’s babyBoom.3!
Argenti – you know women asking men to do/not to do anything at all is misandry, don’t you? (Because of course rape-even-though-it’s-not-a-thing only affects wimminz, and only wimminz would suggest it shouldn’t happen.)
>Back to the real world how do you think India could reproduce this positive reduction?
I do wonder how hard their media are pushing the “The rapists have robbed the parents of their future retirement plan”-angle of the story. Apparently the parents did decide to depend/bet on their daughter’s success. It only got mentioned offhand in one western media outlet and I feel that it could have been the bit that tipped a lot of people into joining the protests in India.
“Argenti – you know women asking men to do/not to do anything at all is misandry, don’t you? (Because of course rape-even-though-it’s-not-a-thing only affects wimminz, and only wimminz would suggest it shouldn’t happen.)”
Ah yes, pardon me, I was thinking of reality land, not MRA land. Do forgive me!
iVag sounds like a thing that turns your iPhone into a fleshlight.
whataboutthemoonz – remember that article David had on the gadget that attached a fleshlight to a phone so the guy could look at a picture of a woman’s breasts and stomach while he wanked? Truly pitiful stuff.
Say what now? Ew.
I watched a ‘porn’ of a guy doing his real doll (out of pure curiosity, not for sexual kicks in case you are scared). It was the weirdest, quietest, loneliest thing I ever saw.
I’m glad I unliked that page. It was shitty in the first place.
Also, I love how they say that victim-blaming is “obviously useful.” They just say it without ever backing up that point.
@ deezers
Wow, that sounds depressing. It’s bad enough when they carry their dolls around in public and pretend that they’re having a “relationship” with the dolls.
mxe – I think them saying victim blaming is “obviously useful” speaks for itself, coming from the rapists’ and abusers’ lobby.
deezers – David’s article is here if you want to read it. (Safe to read at work, the picture is of Maru the cat with his head in a paper bag.)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a succinct summary of all the stupid ass arguments in one spot before. This post wins.
Since when have we only been teaching men “don’t rape”? I’ve NEVER seen that approach in any of the schools I either attended or taught at. I’ve rarely seen any kind of public awareness campaign that follows that message, not until the last few years.
In other words, imagine what could happen if we combined the lamentable “don’t be a victim” approach with consciousness raising about what rape actually is AND teaching men “don’t rape”! Oy.
@drst
Well, feminists says it and feminists rule the world and have for forever (or the Fifties, depending on which MRA you talk to) so…thousands of years (or 60ish)? I guess that counts as “decades.”
*say
Although, maybe it should be singular what with our hivemind and all.
I’m wondering if the parents of these fools overindulged them a bit too much during their formative years. So much that saying “Don’t rape” makes them whine in an almost, “Don’t tell me what to do,” kind of way. Like those idiots who went ape-shit over R. Watson saying, “Guys, don’t do that,” when she posted about the lone creeper who propositioned her on the elevator.
It’s also striking to me when they assume all men think just like them. Do they really only hang-out with each other? Is that was causes the MRA information feedback loop?
@ Shiraz
Every time Frothy posts yet another comment attempting to explain things he knows nothing about to people much smarter and more experienced than him I find myself thinking that his parents should maybe have been a little less encouraging when he was a child.
@Shiraz: Cracked had a nice piece on excuses that prevent people taking responsibility for their actions and thereby growing the f**k up: http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-excuses-that-prevent-us-from-growing-up/ and I felt a number of them applied to MRAs.
@ Shiraz
I havnt read that article yet, but it did remind me of another one I’ve been meaning to post her. A little off topic but I thought it would be interesting.
What do you guys think MRAs will think of this? (apparently other cultures are very into the idea that making a baby us a group effort)
http://www.cracked.com/article_20180_the-6-craziest-beliefs-entire-cultures-have-held-about-sex.html
Ugh, can we all please just get over Cracked already? It’s a terrible, terrible source of information. Or opinion, for that matter.
Hi Cassandra, hi Kiwi girl.
Thanks for sharing the link, Kiwi girl, though, I couldn’t relate to most of it. Like this:
“From the moment we were crotched into this world, we’ve been taught that nobody has the right to speak to us with a certain tone of voice. But we have a right to speak our minds no matter what, and that other person has to listen and give weight to what we say.”
I was never taught this. Maybe because commenting on blogs wasn’t a thing when I was a teen. I thought before I had the right to comment, I had to listen twice as hard and read a lot of books.
And #4, “I’m Just Not Ready To Settle Down Yet,” sounds like single-shaming. Some of the worst sexual harassment I ever experienced came from middle-aged married guys with kids. Where’s the built-in wisdom that comes automatically from getting married and having children? Maybe settling down isn’t an existential band-aid that cures all spiritual woes and personality flaws? I dunno.
Anyway, cheers to everyone.
As someone who knows people who just can’t finds jobs period, let alone their dream jobs, the advice to just fuck your dreams and make it on your own is pretty offensive as well.
Although, who knows what it says about me that I just followed the link after hearing it was problematic.