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No Godwin’s Law here. This Men’s Rights Activist really IS a Nazi.

Great. Another Hitler baby.
Great. Another Hitler baby.

Well, now you’ve gone and done it, you evil feminists: you’ve turned 0bvious_Atheist into a Nazi!

We first met the Men’s Rights subreddit regular the other day, when in a fit of ingenuity he blamed the Newtown school shootings on, er, Title IX. Well, his strange political journey has continued, and on his blog, on Boxing Day, the Canadian MRA officially announced his conversion to neo-Nazism. Literally. Let’s let him explain:

I have grown impatient

I have lost my desire for conventional activism. We live in an era where men like Warren Farrell are run off campus by mobs of Femistasi, men like Keenan Midgley get maligned for trying to start Men’s Centres, JohnTheOther gets harassed in the streets and others like him get assaulted, Mr. Heimbach a white students advocate in the United States, is constantly maligned by the media and the intellectual establishment, and Jared Taylor, a meek and mild Yale graduate, is harassed at every turn by the establishment.

Huh. I have to admit I’m not completely up-to-date on all the examples of anti-white, anti-male oppression he lists here, but I would like to point out that Warren Farrell did not, in fact, get run off the University of Toronto campus. A number of students protested his visit, some of them quite rudely, but the police interceded on his behalf, clearing away protesters so he could go ahead and make his speech.

I also looked up that vague reference to “Mr. Heinbach,” and discovered that Matthew Heimbach is a student at Maryland’s Towson University who wants to start a White Student Union there. As part of his campaign for tolerance on behalf of America’s beleaguered white majority, he recently posed in front of Martin Luther King Jr.’s church in Montgomery holding a Confederate flag.

Gosh, how terribly unfair it is that some people might have criticized him for this.

Mr. Atheist continues:

I’m a young man. I don’t have the patience to go around asking for permission to exercise my inalienable, natural right to freedom of association. As Harold Covington said, Whites feel they need a permission slip from quote “the Jews” unquote to advocate for them. I feel the same thing can be said of Men’s Rights Activism. We feel that we need permission from Feminists, the intellectual establishment, and the state to self-advocate. Our entire movement has become a quest for permission from the left to self-advocate.

I’m pretty sure that not even a single molecule of that is even remotely true. What color is the sky in Imaginary Backwards Land?

We want a Men’s Ministry in the government. We want Men’s organizations on campus. We want White student unions. All of those things are politically toxic to the establishment and out of reach, and furthermore, if you look at what the “Men’s Ministries” in the Northern European welfare states have done you will remain unimpressed, and perhaps even alarmed, at how little they have mitigated the total alienation of young men from the respective societies of those countries.

Of course, the young men who are most alienated from society in the Northern (and Southern) European welfare states today are the immigrants who are so despised by Mr. Atheist and his fellow White “Nationalist” racist assholes. And these young male immigrants aren’t feeling alienated because of a lack of White Student Unions or the unimpressive actions of Men’s Ministries; they’re feeling alienated because of racism and a lack of jobs.

With this in mind we must recognize that productive organizations simply are not going to become a reality. If you doubt me, you can go look at what they did to Dr Warren Farrell when he tried to speak at the University of Toronto. I have absolutely no desire to be screamed at, spit on, expelled, fired, ostracized, and made into a pariah for simply asking to exercise my right to freedom of association.

So the fact that a couple of dozen students protested against a speaker on a college campus, delaying his talk for half an hour or so, means that normal political activity on behalf of your ass-backwards faux “civil rights movement” is impossible? Mr. Atheist, do you have any fucking idea what real civil rights advocates went through in order to get the same basic rights as everyone else, like the right to fucking vote? Do you think that feminists weren’t ever “screamed at, spit on, expelled, fired, ostracized, and made into … pariah(s)?”

What sort of strange entitled bubble do you live in that you think political activism should be painless?  Or that your political opponents should simply roll over once you express your opinions?

Congratulations intellectual establishment. After around 14 years of politically correct education at politically correct institutions run by politically correct professors you have alienated me, first as a White, and secondly as a male. I have got absolutely no patience for your goddamn processes, your forms, your organizational quotas and quorums required to get approval from the UVSS. I’m fed up, and I’m going elsewhere else to self-advocate.

If you’re really serious about going “elsewhere else,” might I suggest another planet?

As market Anarchists and Libertarians constantly must remind you crypto-Marxists, if you ban something the buyer will go elsewhere in the market to get it. That’s exactly what I plan to do. Rather than grovelling at the feet of professors, academics, pseudo-intellectual social justice warriors, and Femistasi, I’m just going to go join the Western Front, a quasi-Neo-Nazi, semi-illegal White Nationalist political organization that accepts me for what I am and understands my problems. You have driven a relatively well off, intelligent, middle class, White male, who used to vote NDP, into the arms of the very people you taught me to despise for the totality of my formative years.

Great. I guess the one upside of all this is that Mr. Atheist won’t be calling feminists “feminazis” from now on. Not that “femistasi” is much of an improvement.

Oh, and in case anyone needs visual evidence of how much of a racist fuck 0bvious_Atheist really is — not that there’s much doubt — here’s a link to a cartoon he stuck onto the end of one of his recent YouTube videos. But first, a TRIGGER WARNING for really really racist rape imagery. Link.

(Note: There doesn’t seem to be any information online about a neo-Nazi group called Western Front, at least not in Canada. There was evidently one by that name in Los Angeles at one point. Does this group, like the anti-white-male oppression he talks about, exist only in 0bvious_Atheist’s head? EDITED TO ADD: There is a group called Northwest Front; presumably that’s what he meant.)

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howardbann1ster
11 years ago

Melissa:

I’m nearly crying now. Please don’t be horrible to me. It isn’t fair.

I’m sorry you feel bad.

How do you think a victim of domestic violence is made to feel reading the stuff you spewed out?

You’ll pardon us for being more concerned for their feelings than yours.

Francis Begbie
11 years ago

Mr Futrelle

Is it possible for you to not go after low hanging fruit like these guys, and say write a factual, coherent critique of Roosh, Roissy and why they are factually objectively wrong, or even The Misandry Bubble, an article that is quite respected in our side of the interwebs. Basically something intelligent and not entirely made up of jokes and ad hominum remarks.

I would also like to thank you, because it is you I discovered the manosphere.Ironic I know! I am now lifting weights, doing much better with women, and have found out many an interesting and useful blogpost in relation to improving ones live.

Yours sincerely

Francis Begbie

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Melissa, I am sorry all those things happened to you, and that people tried to make you responsible for them. But don’t you see, you were doing the same thing? Think about whether you’ve internalised those horrible victim-blaming messages.

It was totally wrong of them to say you should not walk alone at night. Do you think they’d have said that to a man who was assaulted or raped? No, they wouldn’t. This is part of misogyny, it puts blame onto women for men’s behaviour. It is never “you shouldn’t walk alone at night”; the message should be DO NOT RAPE.

Melissa
Melissa
11 years ago

Kittehs’ Unpaid Help,

None of those quotes say that abuse sufferers deserve what happens to them.

None of those quotes say that abuse is legitimate or acceptable, or that abusers are not responsible. So why do you call that abuse apologetics?

I will admit that I was stupid to say that it is obvious when a person/relationship will be abusive. I’ve been thinking about that, and I’m possibly much more intuitive, and better at reading people than most are. It generally is obvious to me who is messed up and should be avoided, but I was wrong to extrapolate that ability to others. I’m sorry.

I didn’t mean to imply that abuse was a force of nature. The point of the metaphor was to create emotional distance from the sensitive subject and illustrate that someone can put themselves in harms way without doing something that is morally wrong. I wasn’t even thinking about the abuser, they weren’t actually relevant to what I was trying to get across. Admittedly not a well thought out metaphor, I’m sorry for that too.

Does all of that really justify the evil misogynistic abuse apologist accusations that was thrown at me? Seems a little harsh.

Hellkell,

“I’m nearly crying now. Please don’t be horrible to me. It isn’t fair.”

“At the risk of sounding like a huge bitch, oh no you don’t. Own your shit.”

You know it is possible to criticise without all the cruelty that has been thrown at me. I’m asking for protection from criticism. But some awareness that I am a human being with feelings. Also, I think I am “owning [my] shit”.

Melissa
Melissa
11 years ago

“It is never “you shouldn’t walk alone at night”; the message should be DO NOT RAPE.”

I don’t think the rapists will listen to that. But the potential victims might listen to “you shouldn’t walk alone at night”.

themisanthropicmuse
11 years ago

@eline:
That article made me want to punch something. It specifically states that our only value as human beings and our identities are based entirely on what use we provide to society. I don’t get why people are calling it brilliant. It’s pure utilitarianism on crack.

lauralot89
11 years ago

Do you hear the dipshits sing,
Singing a song of angry men?
It is a song of privileged douches
Hoping to own slaves again!
When no one can oppose them
When women are in the kitchen
The world will be white mens’ once more
When tomorrow comes!

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Melissa: no one is protected from criticism, and you are doubling down on your ignorance by saying that the onus on not getting raped is on the victims (don’t walk alone at night). Maybe you can read people, but you sure as hell can’t read this room.

You’d think for all your experiences, you’d have learned some empathy. Shit, maybe just some basic insight for a start.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
11 years ago

We are taking your advice Melissa. Recognizing right up front that the person we are talking to is a victim blamer and acting accordingly. You see, you didn’t bother to pretend that you were a decent human being when you first showed up the way that abusive men do. You just went straight for the victim blaming.

eline
eline
11 years ago

@themisanthropicmuse

I didn’t read that as the central message myself. I’m in the part of people who go “fuck yeah let’s sell real estate!” I guess, because I read it as a motivator. It’s not pleasant to hear it and there are always more nuances to everything (and it doesn’t mean you should be a jerk to get by in life; nice doctor beats jerky doctor in patience’s preference), but essentially it is the truth. It just hurts a lot like all truths people don’t want to hear. But a lot of MRAs are just those people who mentally combat against what was said there.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Melissa,

The point is to change rape culture. “Do not rape” includes educating people that supporting rape culture – by making rape jokes, or ignoring or laughing with them, or blaming victims, or talking about women being “slutty” or “should have known better” or “shouldn’t have had a drink” and so on – is in fact supporting rapists. A lot of rapists will avoid using the term to justify what they do; the stranger leaping out of bushes is the minority. Most rapes are committed by someone known to the victim, someone abusing a position of trust. They may deny that what they do is rape, and these are the people (predominantly men) who need to be taught that yes, this is rape, and no, it is not cool, it is a crime.

Your earlier posts were all about the behaviour of the victim of abuse, and that sort of focus is exactly what happens to women in rape trials or anything where they are the victims of male violence, up to and including murder. That’s the problem: it treats abuse as if it’s just something that happens, something that could be avoided, and thus removes the criminal from the spotlight.

Melissa
Melissa
11 years ago

Sorry, typo. I meant to say “I’m *NOT* asking for protection from criticism.”

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
11 years ago

Oh for eff sake, now you have progressed to cage the women to keep them safe.
You are surely an MRA troll from the dupe the feminists school started by maleelam.
That or else you are so thoroughly programed to believe that women are not human that you can argue that they should never ever ever behave as though they are.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
11 years ago

Go away concern troll. Go away. You are so transparent you glow.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Less than 100 years ago, it was completely acceptable for people to attend public lynchings as a form of entertainment. Hell, people sold POSTCARDS of them, so people could spread the entertainment far and wide. By the way, what should potential victims of lynchings have done to avoid that fate, other than, you know, not have been born black (or Chinese, or whatever)? And then the NAACP and other groups started organizing campaigns against lynchings, to make lynching MORALLY UNACCEPTABLE FOR DECENT HUMAN BEINGS. You know what would have been an incredibly stupid thing to say to those brave people who said we should teach people not to lynch?

I don’t think the rapistslynchers will listen to that.

And lookie here — can you find a single mainstream comedian who makes jokes about people being lynched? Imagine that — attitudes towards lynching have changed!!!

PART OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE HERE IS CULTURE, SPECIFICALLY RAPE CULTURE, THAT CONTINUALLY TRIES TO TELL WOMEN THAT THEY CAN PREVENT BEING RAPED BY MERELY ALTERING THEIR BEHAVIOR. That is unacceptable.

themisanthropicmuse
11 years ago

@Francis Begbie:

This is a comedy blog. Go get your ‘factually objectively wrong’ articles someplace else, like a scientific paper.

Francis Begbie
11 years ago

Seems that Melissa user is getting a lot of hate for posting something that is logically sound and agreed upon by the vast majority of rational people.

Plus, she seems polite. What’s with all the puerile behaviour?

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Francis Begbie – PUAs and MRAs condemn themselves by their own words. If you haven’t the reading comprehension, ethics and empathy to grasp that, it’s your bad luck. This blog isn’t here as a journalistic exercise in “explain why misogyny is wrong to idiots”.

Hmm … harping on Dave and journalism … not a Schticky sock, are we? All these try-hards appearing at voting time, I dunno.

lauralot89
11 years ago

I would also like to thank you, because it is you I discovered the manosphere.Ironic I know! I am now lifting weights, doing much better with women, and have found out many an interesting and useful blogpost in relation to improving ones live.

Dear Penthouse,

I never thought it could happen to me, but boy was I wrong…

cloudiah
11 years ago

Meanwhile on the one hand we have MRAs who say women have to fight back/actively resist or it can’t be rape; on the other hand, we have the Indian scientist who said “Had the girl [i.e. the woman gang-raped on a bus in India, who subsequently died of her injuries] simply surrendered (and not resisted) when surrounded by six men, she would not have lost her intestine. Why was she out with her boyfriend at 10 pm?”

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
11 years ago

Francis, how about you drop in to a feminist blog and spend a couple days talking about how women are attracted to abusers and need to stay in the house to avoid rape. See how that works out for ya.

Francis Begbie
11 years ago

the misanthropic muse

is this comedy? your comments section entails bullying the melissa user and various articles on this website are strange, insulting statements of people which are not really found on anything solid. that doesn’t strike me as a comedy blog, this strikes me as a slander blog

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
11 years ago

Read the effing name of the effing blog, Francis. Criminy!

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Don’t be a complete tool, Begbie. The point of the site is to mock misogyny – look, right up there at the top, it says so in big letters. So people who come out with misogynist statements will. get. mocked. They’ll be taken down. And in case you hadn’t noticed, people are trying to explain (and have been for days) to Melissa what is problematical about the ideas she’s been throwing around.

Have you ever actually read any of the stuff Dave links to? Have you read any of the trolls here, the ones like NWOslave or David K Meller, who think that women should be kept in slavery and beaten on the streets, the ones who think children are to blame for being raped, the ones who say women should not only be forced out of work, but denied the vote? Have you read links to articles where MRAs talk about how baby girls should have their voiceboxes removed?

If you haven’t, then try doing so before you complain about this site. If you have, and still don’t get it, then fuck off.

eline
eline
11 years ago

Soooooo much comments coming difficult to keep up!

Just had to say I’m very happy Francis has improved zir life as a result of reading David’s blog! Hopefully that leads to one less MRA whining online about the sad state of zir life, of course blaming others for it. Good on you Francis! (try not to detect any irony here, I’m quite sincere for once)