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No Godwin’s Law here. This Men’s Rights Activist really IS a Nazi.

Great. Another Hitler baby.
Great. Another Hitler baby.

Well, now you’ve gone and done it, you evil feminists: you’ve turned 0bvious_Atheist into a Nazi!

We first met the Men’s Rights subreddit regular the other day, when in a fit of ingenuity he blamed the Newtown school shootings on, er, Title IX. Well, his strange political journey has continued, and on his blog, on Boxing Day, the Canadian MRA officially announced his conversion to neo-Nazism. Literally. Let’s let him explain:

I have grown impatient

I have lost my desire for conventional activism. We live in an era where men like Warren Farrell are run off campus by mobs of Femistasi, men like Keenan Midgley get maligned for trying to start Men’s Centres, JohnTheOther gets harassed in the streets and others like him get assaulted, Mr. Heimbach a white students advocate in the United States, is constantly maligned by the media and the intellectual establishment, and Jared Taylor, a meek and mild Yale graduate, is harassed at every turn by the establishment.

Huh. I have to admit I’m not completely up-to-date on all the examples of anti-white, anti-male oppression he lists here, but I would like to point out that Warren Farrell did not, in fact, get run off the University of Toronto campus. A number of students protested his visit, some of them quite rudely, but the police interceded on his behalf, clearing away protesters so he could go ahead and make his speech.

I also looked up that vague reference to “Mr. Heinbach,” and discovered that Matthew Heimbach is a student at Maryland’s Towson University who wants to start a White Student Union there. As part of his campaign for tolerance on behalf of America’s beleaguered white majority, he recently posed in front of Martin Luther King Jr.’s church in Montgomery holding a Confederate flag.

Gosh, how terribly unfair it is that some people might have criticized him for this.

Mr. Atheist continues:

I’m a young man. I don’t have the patience to go around asking for permission to exercise my inalienable, natural right to freedom of association. As Harold Covington said, Whites feel they need a permission slip from quote “the Jews” unquote to advocate for them. I feel the same thing can be said of Men’s Rights Activism. We feel that we need permission from Feminists, the intellectual establishment, and the state to self-advocate. Our entire movement has become a quest for permission from the left to self-advocate.

I’m pretty sure that not even a single molecule of that is even remotely true. What color is the sky in Imaginary Backwards Land?

We want a Men’s Ministry in the government. We want Men’s organizations on campus. We want White student unions. All of those things are politically toxic to the establishment and out of reach, and furthermore, if you look at what the “Men’s Ministries” in the Northern European welfare states have done you will remain unimpressed, and perhaps even alarmed, at how little they have mitigated the total alienation of young men from the respective societies of those countries.

Of course, the young men who are most alienated from society in the Northern (and Southern) European welfare states today are the immigrants who are so despised by Mr. Atheist and his fellow White “Nationalist” racist assholes. And these young male immigrants aren’t feeling alienated because of a lack of White Student Unions or the unimpressive actions of Men’s Ministries; they’re feeling alienated because of racism and a lack of jobs.

With this in mind we must recognize that productive organizations simply are not going to become a reality. If you doubt me, you can go look at what they did to Dr Warren Farrell when he tried to speak at the University of Toronto. I have absolutely no desire to be screamed at, spit on, expelled, fired, ostracized, and made into a pariah for simply asking to exercise my right to freedom of association.

So the fact that a couple of dozen students protested against a speaker on a college campus, delaying his talk for half an hour or so, means that normal political activity on behalf of your ass-backwards faux “civil rights movement” is impossible? Mr. Atheist, do you have any fucking idea what real civil rights advocates went through in order to get the same basic rights as everyone else, like the right to fucking vote? Do you think that feminists weren’t ever “screamed at, spit on, expelled, fired, ostracized, and made into … pariah(s)?”

What sort of strange entitled bubble do you live in that you think political activism should be painless?  Or that your political opponents should simply roll over once you express your opinions?

Congratulations intellectual establishment. After around 14 years of politically correct education at politically correct institutions run by politically correct professors you have alienated me, first as a White, and secondly as a male. I have got absolutely no patience for your goddamn processes, your forms, your organizational quotas and quorums required to get approval from the UVSS. I’m fed up, and I’m going elsewhere else to self-advocate.

If you’re really serious about going “elsewhere else,” might I suggest another planet?

As market Anarchists and Libertarians constantly must remind you crypto-Marxists, if you ban something the buyer will go elsewhere in the market to get it. That’s exactly what I plan to do. Rather than grovelling at the feet of professors, academics, pseudo-intellectual social justice warriors, and Femistasi, I’m just going to go join the Western Front, a quasi-Neo-Nazi, semi-illegal White Nationalist political organization that accepts me for what I am and understands my problems. You have driven a relatively well off, intelligent, middle class, White male, who used to vote NDP, into the arms of the very people you taught me to despise for the totality of my formative years.

Great. I guess the one upside of all this is that Mr. Atheist won’t be calling feminists “feminazis” from now on. Not that “femistasi” is much of an improvement.

Oh, and in case anyone needs visual evidence of how much of a racist fuck 0bvious_Atheist really is — not that there’s much doubt — here’s a link to a cartoon he stuck onto the end of one of his recent YouTube videos. But first, a TRIGGER WARNING for really really racist rape imagery. Link.

(Note: There doesn’t seem to be any information online about a neo-Nazi group called Western Front, at least not in Canada. There was evidently one by that name in Los Angeles at one point. Does this group, like the anti-white-male oppression he talks about, exist only in 0bvious_Atheist’s head? EDITED TO ADD: There is a group called Northwest Front; presumably that’s what he meant.)

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hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

A racist MRA? Get the fuck out. No really, Mark, get the fuck out.

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
11 years ago

The second video that the racist chucklefuck posted, ‘Why Do Women Suck At Voting?’ seems, from the screenshot, to answer this by saying that women/minorities vote on ‘feelings’ rather than ‘the economy’.

Because wanting the maximum number of people to be healthy and happy is somehow less logical than wanting to hoard bits of shiny metal.

Bee
Bee
11 years ago

Yeah, the thing that always strikes me about MRAs is how they pretty much tend to be wrong about EVERYTHING. It’s like, once you’ve decided you’re gonna be a misogynist, might as well be wrong in all your other beliefs, thoughts, and actions as well, because what the fuck.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

And “the economy” is the only thing that matters to these dipwads who spend their whole lives on the internet whining about how they can’t get laid.

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
11 years ago

The other thing about ‘the economy’ is that it’s geared in such a way to give white, straight, cis, abled, mentally-healthy etc. etc. men loads of advantages and, essentially, free stuff. So those people voting ‘for the economy’ are still just looking for the best system for them. Which according to that racist/misogynist theory is just as ‘bad’ as how women/minorities vote, because they feel that they should get ‘free’ stuff.

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

Wow.

“Not much from what i can recall and from what i can see giving those people the right to vote has outright destroyed our society culturally, its only a matter of time when it does economically as well since women care more about their fucking birth control more than the economy and minorities only care about free stuff.”

Um, OK. You’re a shitty person. I know, that’s not my logic center speaking, but…
Our “fucking birth control”? Heh. Bet you believe in the Welfare Mom Myth too. You guys always do. You also spoke flippantly about Suffragists, blah, blah, we messed up the country because we can vote now…yadda, yadda…only white males are human, argle-garble. You’re a sexist and a racists — be proud and own it! And by all means, spout your opinions in mixed company! It’ll be good. People who aren’t white males love to be told they’re not human, shouldn’t support their own interests and should shut up when they need something.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

“Those people?” Well, at least his use of that lets me know he’s utterly full of it and not worth listening to.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

I’ll get to reading his shit-for-brains comment eventually, but really, can we please make Argumentum ad Youtubem a thing?

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

Oh god, Mark just made me want to punch a wall. I’m from the South. You’d be ASTOUNDED how fucking seriously they take their goddamn racist flag.

Go away, Mark. You have nothing of use to add, and you are not entertaining either.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Yeah, like it’s TOTALLY oversensitive to be angry and disgusted when you see someone parading a flag that was all about the “right” to enslave other human beings, especially if you’re the descendant of said human beings.

Hell, I’m white, I’m Australian, and it pisses me off hugely on my morning commute when I see some old fool who parades around in a Confederate cavalry hat.

cherabushka
11 years ago

i hate to be a bother but i was mining through the older comments on this thread and i was wondering what avfm have had to say about india? i expected the whole men’s rights movement to be completely silent on the brutal gang rape

cloudiah
11 years ago

cherabushka, see the comments on India here.

cherabushka
11 years ago

by the way mark, go fuck yourself if you really think that minorities are a bunch of sleazy welfare mooching chumps that vote for only their own sake — i come from a town that is mostly made up of minority peoples and they make up the vast majority of the economy here, they’re the ones who have to keep all their businesses open during holidays, they’re the ones who work so much overtime and take the lion’s share of the shitty jobs, and you can see this situation happening all over the urban and suburban areas of Canada… we depend on our immigrants in a plethora of ways. at least half of the medical professionals i’ve been to throughout my life have been immigrants and there are so many more immigrants with ridiculously good degrees sitting around behind convenience store cash registers here. GO FUCK YOURSELF if you think immigrants are lazy mooches.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

”…Do you think that feminists weren’t ever “screamed at, spit on, expelled, fired, ostracized, and made into … pariah(s)?””

Not much from what i can recall…

Have a history lesson! “…and endured inhumane treatment which included force-feeding.”

“What sort of strange entitled bubble do YOU live in that you think political activism should be easy for your leftist leaning ideologues and hard for the right? ”

Learn some history, face imprisonment, force feedings, or lynchings and fire hoses, then get back to us about the horrors of being spit on.

“WAH WAH RACIST!!! WAH WAH TRIGGER WARNING!!
Oh Grow up, you overfeminized beta.”

No no, you grow up you petulant puerile pompous prejudiced pain in the ass.

(Sorry to steal your thing Pecunium, but I’m in an alliterative mood)

cherabushka
11 years ago

@cloudiah jesus fucking christ i don’t even know where to begin

MKlein
MKlein
11 years ago

I know I’m late to this part of the thread, but the whole nihilism troll thing made me think of this: http://amajor7.tumblr.com/post/37539402891/shut-up-w-your-devils-advocate-shit

(Also, I was just watching The Big Lebowski tonight, so it’s one of those times when the universe syncs up in small ways for no reason I guess 🙂 )

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

Yeah, I read the first few sentences then had to come back here — immediately.

cloudiah
11 years ago

There were some discussions on reddit/mensrights that might be even worse than those on AVfM, but I don’t think I have the intestinal fortitude to dive back in there today.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

I can’t bring myself to read any MRM stuff about the Indian rapes and murders.

Seraph
Seraph
11 years ago

“Overfeminized beta”.

That’s really the best you’ve got, isn’t? Over at your little playground, that’s the worst thing you can possibly be, so you come over here and think you’ve bitch-slapped Dave right into his place by using it. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so disgusting. Either way, it’s pathetic.

Try “doodiehead” next time. It might have a bit more bite, and you’ll look like less of a fool.

Shiraz
Shiraz
11 years ago

Well, at least they’re leaving behind an E-paper trail on how buggerf***ked they are. Like all those repbooblicans who couldn’t stop talking smack about abortion. Sometimes — no, almost always, these guys are their own worst enemies.

pecunium
pecunium
11 years ago

Argeniti: If you want to steal my Swinburne, feel free.

But what do I know? I’m probably an over-feminised beta.

As to Mark and his understanding (or lack thereof) of the price “leftists” paid for activism… Eugene V. Debs.

cloudiah
11 years ago

The price Eugene Debs paid was bad enough, but I’ll see that and raise you with a Joe Hill.

Diogenes The Cynic
Diogenes The Cynic
11 years ago

pecinum

I didn’t see that part.

It doesn’t necessarily have to add time. If you begin during summer, or fall you have loads of time to get yourself up to speed. I don’t know your specific situation, but I’ve been in a similar pickle before, and I used the University’s library to teach myself enough math to test in at a higher level.

I think you could do the same. Just think of algebra and beyond as a rules you have to follow in a series. Or, if you want to memorize everything, write out a paragraph to conceptualize each individual concept.

pecunium
pecunium
11 years ago

Diogenes: It doesn’t have to add time?

So… I forgo enrollment in the spring quarter, so I can attend a class in the summer someplace else, and then I enroll for the fall quarter.

That, or I send for my HS diploma and begin taking classes in the upcoming quarter.

You aren’t thinking. I am not pursuing a degree in math. I don’t need to attain a higher level. I need to enroll, full stop. Delaying that so I can pursue something which isn’t relevant…

Again, you are trying to teach me to suck eggs. I may not have a degree, it doesn’t mean I didn’t learn anything about how bureaucracies work (from you know, attaining the 160 or so quarter hours of credit, or dealing with the Army for sixteen years, or the VA since I retired).

But thanks for preaching to me about what I ought to do, from your self-professed ignorance of my situation, while lacking the common courtesy, and decency, to read what I’ve written here before presuming to hand out avuncular advice.