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No Godwin’s Law here. This Men’s Rights Activist really IS a Nazi.

Great. Another Hitler baby.
Great. Another Hitler baby.

Well, now you’ve gone and done it, you evil feminists: you’ve turned 0bvious_Atheist into a Nazi!

We first met the Men’s Rights subreddit regular the other day, when in a fit of ingenuity he blamed the Newtown school shootings on, er, Title IX. Well, his strange political journey has continued, and on his blog, on Boxing Day, the Canadian MRA officially announced his conversion to neo-Nazism. Literally. Let’s let him explain:

I have grown impatient

I have lost my desire for conventional activism. We live in an era where men like Warren Farrell are run off campus by mobs of Femistasi, men like Keenan Midgley get maligned for trying to start Men’s Centres, JohnTheOther gets harassed in the streets and others like him get assaulted, Mr. Heimbach a white students advocate in the United States, is constantly maligned by the media and the intellectual establishment, and Jared Taylor, a meek and mild Yale graduate, is harassed at every turn by the establishment.

Huh. I have to admit I’m not completely up-to-date on all the examples of anti-white, anti-male oppression he lists here, but I would like to point out that Warren Farrell did not, in fact, get run off the University of Toronto campus. A number of students protested his visit, some of them quite rudely, but the police interceded on his behalf, clearing away protesters so he could go ahead and make his speech.

I also looked up that vague reference to “Mr. Heinbach,” and discovered that Matthew Heimbach is a student at Maryland’s Towson University who wants to start a White Student Union there. As part of his campaign for tolerance on behalf of America’s beleaguered white majority, he recently posed in front of Martin Luther King Jr.’s church in Montgomery holding a Confederate flag.

Gosh, how terribly unfair it is that some people might have criticized him for this.

Mr. Atheist continues:

I’m a young man. I don’t have the patience to go around asking for permission to exercise my inalienable, natural right to freedom of association. As Harold Covington said, Whites feel they need a permission slip from quote “the Jews” unquote to advocate for them. I feel the same thing can be said of Men’s Rights Activism. We feel that we need permission from Feminists, the intellectual establishment, and the state to self-advocate. Our entire movement has become a quest for permission from the left to self-advocate.

I’m pretty sure that not even a single molecule of that is even remotely true. What color is the sky in Imaginary Backwards Land?

We want a Men’s Ministry in the government. We want Men’s organizations on campus. We want White student unions. All of those things are politically toxic to the establishment and out of reach, and furthermore, if you look at what the “Men’s Ministries” in the Northern European welfare states have done you will remain unimpressed, and perhaps even alarmed, at how little they have mitigated the total alienation of young men from the respective societies of those countries.

Of course, the young men who are most alienated from society in the Northern (and Southern) European welfare states today are the immigrants who are so despised by Mr. Atheist and his fellow White “Nationalist” racist assholes. And these young male immigrants aren’t feeling alienated because of a lack of White Student Unions or the unimpressive actions of Men’s Ministries; they’re feeling alienated because of racism and a lack of jobs.

With this in mind we must recognize that productive organizations simply are not going to become a reality. If you doubt me, you can go look at what they did to Dr Warren Farrell when he tried to speak at the University of Toronto. I have absolutely no desire to be screamed at, spit on, expelled, fired, ostracized, and made into a pariah for simply asking to exercise my right to freedom of association.

So the fact that a couple of dozen students protested against a speaker on a college campus, delaying his talk for half an hour or so, means that normal political activity on behalf of your ass-backwards faux “civil rights movement” is impossible? Mr. Atheist, do you have any fucking idea what real civil rights advocates went through in order to get the same basic rights as everyone else, like the right to fucking vote? Do you think that feminists weren’t ever “screamed at, spit on, expelled, fired, ostracized, and made into … pariah(s)?”

What sort of strange entitled bubble do you live in that you think political activism should be painless?  Or that your political opponents should simply roll over once you express your opinions?

Congratulations intellectual establishment. After around 14 years of politically correct education at politically correct institutions run by politically correct professors you have alienated me, first as a White, and secondly as a male. I have got absolutely no patience for your goddamn processes, your forms, your organizational quotas and quorums required to get approval from the UVSS. I’m fed up, and I’m going elsewhere else to self-advocate.

If you’re really serious about going “elsewhere else,” might I suggest another planet?

As market Anarchists and Libertarians constantly must remind you crypto-Marxists, if you ban something the buyer will go elsewhere in the market to get it. That’s exactly what I plan to do. Rather than grovelling at the feet of professors, academics, pseudo-intellectual social justice warriors, and Femistasi, I’m just going to go join the Western Front, a quasi-Neo-Nazi, semi-illegal White Nationalist political organization that accepts me for what I am and understands my problems. You have driven a relatively well off, intelligent, middle class, White male, who used to vote NDP, into the arms of the very people you taught me to despise for the totality of my formative years.

Great. I guess the one upside of all this is that Mr. Atheist won’t be calling feminists “feminazis” from now on. Not that “femistasi” is much of an improvement.

Oh, and in case anyone needs visual evidence of how much of a racist fuck 0bvious_Atheist really is — not that there’s much doubt — here’s a link to a cartoon he stuck onto the end of one of his recent YouTube videos. But first, a TRIGGER WARNING for really really racist rape imagery. Link.

(Note: There doesn’t seem to be any information online about a neo-Nazi group called Western Front, at least not in Canada. There was evidently one by that name in Los Angeles at one point. Does this group, like the anti-white-male oppression he talks about, exist only in 0bvious_Atheist’s head? EDITED TO ADD: There is a group called Northwest Front; presumably that’s what he meant.)

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hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Cassandra: thank you. It’s what I was trying to get at earlier, but was in a rush.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

And I’m not trying to deny that it’s victim blaming. It absolutely is, full stop. I guess I’m just wondering if cynicism/misanthropy could be used as a justification for it more than anything…

Hey, Nathan? This is why I personally am out of patience with you. You keep doing this thing where you see something that’s obviously misogyny, kind of recognize that it’s misogyny, and then try to find something else to blame it on. It’s getting really fucking tiresome.

Yoyo
Yoyo
11 years ago

@cassandra, agreed and as someone who has been through both types of assault . The familial is worse, it really fucks with your sense of safety and you get much less support if you are even able to ask for it.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Yoyo, I was in my teens when Don Dunstan was around, and as a Victorian didn’t see (or notice, I should say) much about him except the famous pink shorts. 😉 But from what I know of him now, he was a class act and way ahead of the current mob. Can you imagine the frothing from the right if he was around now?

I can’t believe it’s fourteen years since he passed over. The mind boggles.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Shorter Nathan: blahblahsomethingsemireasonable, BUT… and then it goes to hell.

Also, Nathan, I wasn’t reading anything wrong with what you said. Giving up does give rapists (abuser, 2nd amendment lovers, take your pick) license to operate all while putting the onus for not getting attacked or whatever on the victims.

pecunium
11 years ago

My successes are mine. I finished high school, I’ve still not got a degree. I’ve had lots of jobs (pizza, security guard, journalist, machinist, teacher, sales, interrogator, soldier, studio projectionist, photographer, gardner [for food, not landscape] caterer, editor, student).

One of those jobs (soldier/interrogator/linguist) sent me lots of places.

It makes it possible for me to tap broad experience when someone pretends to a conversation stopping expertise.

I am moderately comfortable at the moment because I am disabled, and get compensation (this may change come the new year… it’s a federal check).

They don’t make me, “superior”. They are sometimes handy tools. Where I shine is a ready wit, and a willingness to stick to the topic.

That seems to frustrate/anger a number of the trollish sorts, so they ignore me, or froth at the mouth. It has the advantage the it can distract them from going off on other people too; and I enjoy playing with them.

pecunium
11 years ago

BrooklynG: …I actually didn’t see how Melissa came in. I couldn’t find the thread. I actually did look for it because I wanted to see what happened before piping up…Regardless, it just seems like this thread was getting out of hand. Maybe I shouldn’t have commented after all. I didn’t have all the facts before doing so…

I think you were right to do so. Setting aside my variance from the local norm on the use of troll (I don’t think Diogenes is a troll, just something of a naï and something of an idiot [on top of the naivté]), it’s important to have someone challenge a community on it’s level of insularity.

Those who are patently hostile (Some Guy, and whassisname Bergie), get dimissed out of hand. Someone who is sincere, and trying to address what is a legitimate risk in groups which have a hostile opposition is needful. It reminds us that we need to consider the probability a newcomer isn’t an asshat, just because.

Yoyo
Yoyo
11 years ago

Sorry pecumium, am I missing something? Why is your cv, interesting tho it may be relevant to the previous discussion re Melissa ?

Some Gal Not Bored at All

@CassandraSays

I think you are spot-on re: Nathan. I kept deleting replies because everything came out anti his possible female friend when I should have been calling him on the “friend” concept.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Yoyo – there was another discussion last night with Brooklyn and The Omega Woman about trolls and their “what have you ever done?” sneers, and whether it was worth talking about successes and so on. I’m not sure if it’s in this thread or another one.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

And here I am being totally mean shortly after it was pointed out that this community can be kind of mean! But if you search previous conversations where Nathan pulled the exact same kind of thing I think you might start to understand why people here tend to cut that shit off pretty quickly.

(I still think it’s funny that people think this comments section is mean. Clearly they never visited Shapely Prose – I miss that site and its openly ism-unfriendly comments policy. I still find myself wanting to tell idiots that they are giving me the stabby pain, but then I remember that they won’t have any idea what I mean.)

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

I never read much of Shapely Prose except for the amazing Schrodinger’s Rapist thread.

I get the greens of envy every time I see the avatars from that site. Fillyjonk drew them, so I’m told.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Compared to Pharyngula we are soft fluffy kittens here. It’s particularly jarring to see Manboobzers described as mean when I am reading an old thread here in which Mr. Al achieved self-awareness (sadly, it didn’t take) — and in spite of the fact that he had been HORRIBLE to many people here over an extended time period, everyone immediately switched to being friendly and supportive, congratulating him on his academic success for the semester, etc. Sure we can be mean, but we switch on a dime back to nice fluffy kittens as soon as people stop being asshats and start being decent human beings.

(It’s the thread called “The False Rape Society is shocked–…” and there’s a part where NWOSlave wants to play a word association game, I think it’s around p. 11 or 12 of the comments, that is absolutely hilarious.)

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

This comment section is very rough and tumble, but I don’t know about mean. It’s good to keep an open mind about new comers, but they reveal themselves quickly as to whether or not they’re here in good faith.

I don’t feel the need to justify my existence when the trolls ask what I’ve done with myself. I figure since I’m not them, I’m ahead, so fuck ’em.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Oh cool, an old thread with a Slavey shitfit!

::hurries off to look::

pecunium
11 years ago

Argenti: Regarding effective half-life. That was part of my problem when the allergic onset started. I was taking sulfasalazine, on the delayed release regimen. Sixty percent of caucasians have a prolonged plasma t1/2.

I suspect I was in the majority.

I was also at the level (4g Q) which leads to “increased risk of adverse reaction”.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

I think we’re often nicer to people than we should be (again, see the case of the whiny baby). Part of the reason that new people get cut off so quickly if they say dumb things is that we’ve learned from experience. If they turn out to have just said one dumb thing rather than being idiots in general, people tend to back off pretty quickly.

I will say that we have very little patience with “imma play Devil’s advocate” types, but that’s a good thing.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Makes me wonder, too, how much of the site some newcomers who get the troll side-eye have actually read before they type. Coming in and making dubious comments – especially doing it with the “I know and you don’t” attitude – is asking for argument at best or getting treated like a troll at worst.

Though I don’t think I’ve wished the curse of Lego constipation on any newcomers. 😛

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Kitteh’s: I think they haven’t read a word for the most part. They feel that their contribution is going to be so mind-blowing that they just HAVE to share it.

Cassandra: yeah, after the Boston Baby, I’m not really of a mind to encourage or coddle the borderline views of a Nathan.

pecunium
11 years ago

Yoyo: it was in response to a previous comment, a couple of pages back.

themisanthropicmuse
11 years ago

Speaking of blaming women, I came across this posted on facebook:
http://imgur.com/d8m7R

That pretty much sums it all up nicely, huh?

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The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

I’m amazed they didn’t try to paint Satan as female.

Nathan Hevenstone
11 years ago

Wait wait wait… I wasn’t trying to paint it as NOT misogynistic. I even said… yeah, it’s victim blaming. I’m just wondering if cynicism is an excuse for it.

Let me try this again… I talked about origins but that was wrong. I’m more wondering if that cynicism can be used as an excuse for it… if you want, to deny the misogyny part of it. That was her excuse, for herself.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Nathan, why does there have to be an excuse for it? Will the right excuse suddenly make it OK?

Yippee, about her excuse, for herself. Why are you using her story?

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
11 years ago

Nathan, you can use any manner of justifications for misogyny, and they have all been used over the years. People choose the one that suits them best. Either to embrace or ascribe to others.
Cynicism is a cheap and easy one. Nihilism works great too. No thinking necessary.

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