It’s official: Men’s Rights Activists are more obsessed with their “precious bodily fluids” than Dr. Strangelove’s General Jack D. Ripper. Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, many of the regulars are celebrating Boxing Day by sitting around on their computers worrying about evil predatory succubi burgling their sperm. Check out this little post, which has gotten 90 upvotes so far:
Yes, he really did just say “It’s as if your penis shoots magic IOUs every time you ejaculate.” If this is true, a lot of guys owe millions if not billions of dollars to a lot of old socks.
In the comments, other Men’s Rightsers shared their deepest concerns about the specter of spermburgling. SuicideBanana warns that the enemy may already be in your bed:
Reconstrucht worries about the money-hungry sperm-hunters lurking in bars:
And one future veterinarian contemplates giving up dating, in order to protect himself from the hypothetical women — sorry, soul sucking succubi — who might hypothetically use his future sperm in order to cash in big on his future vet money. Ca-ching!
Gentlemen: To fully protect your Essence, I suggest you ejaculate directly into a paper shredder, douse the results with hot sauce and arsenic, and pour the entire concoction into the nearest garbage disposal. Then flee the country.
Argenti – the thing I loved about the boss’s blowup doll scenario was that it made me think of Meller being sued for child support by his dolls. And yeah, I can totally believe Steele saying condoms are misandry!
M: I don’t think the question of whether or not Smith did or did not lie was ever even addressed. The point is that legally it makes to difference whether or not she lied.
Because the child (remember the child) still needs care.
Also, though it’s a foul line of argument, if he didn’t want to have a a kid, he ought to have avoided the situation where he might be, “sperm-jacked”.
Certainly this is the line of argument the MRA makes when the subject is reversed.
Since rapists aren’t denied visitation, the thing the dude needs to do is file charges, and then get custody, which will removed the need to pay child support.
Problem solved.
I think the MRAs point is that women are lying, parasitic whores. A few women are worthy of incubating legitimate children, and the rest should be sterilized.
But if the rest of us are sterilised, how can they get us pregnant when we don’t want to be?
@M: However this is a harsh situation for men, and justifies their caution regarding where their sperm ends up.
I’m 57 and remember a lot of the bad old days. Five young women in my graduating course (of about 230) had to get married right out of high school–and others became single mothers for multiple reasons. Then there was the friend in college who got pregnant because the asshole lied about his vasectomy.
So, basically, I’m all for men being cautious about “where their sperm ends up” though the phraseology makes me snigger in an unbecoming fashion. Just like I’m in favor of them going their own way, and oh yeah, denying their mothers grandchildren. In fact, the farther off they go, the better.
But you know, the idea that they should only worry in case their precious wallets are violated by the proxy whatever it is the MRAs think women can get the court system to do instead of, oh, I don’t know, things like the actual woman involved (if it’s a case of consensual sex), the ethical principles of fathering a child, all those nifty things, makes me not really give a flying fuck over the anxious dudes clutching their peni (still not sure it’s correct, but heck, Pecunium or Argenti will correct, go them) close to their chests. They should keep ’em close.
The “harsh situation” a whole lot of women face because of men not being willing to use condoms or take any agency in regard to health and reproductive safety while demanding sex on demand worries me a whole lot more than these creeps (again, I totally exempt men of any age who are raped–that’s not the group I’m talking about).
Hmm, wonder why my comment is awaiting moderation…I didn’t use “vile” heh heh heh.
Tests by posting this one.
Ah I see. I should make note to use SNICKER in future and not a very similar term which has a racist word embedded in it…
“…it made me think of Meller being sued for child support by his dolls.”
*dies*
“Because the child (remember the child)” = “and it was about four or five hours later that Alice
(remember Alice? It’s a song about Alice)”
Ok, it’s clearly past my bedtime, y’all have fun with the trolls!
Pecunium,
“M: I don’t think the question of whether or not Smith did or did not lie was ever even addressed. The point is that legally it makes to difference whether or not she lied.”
“Because the child (remember the child) still needs care”
I pretty much said that myself:
“I actually don’t actually disagree with the courts judgements – the needs of the child must come first, and the child needs financial support. However this is a harsh situation for men, and justifies their caution regarding where their sperm ends up.”
“Also, though it’s a foul line of argument, if he didn’t want to have a a kid, he ought to have avoided the situation where he might be, “sperm-jacked”.”
So you’re saying they should be very careful with their sperm? Isn’t that basically what MaunaLoona was saying in the first place, granted somewhat more theatrically, and he is being derided as a misogynist for it.
“Since rapists aren’t denied visitation…”
I’m kinda disturbed by that, but that’s a whole separate issue. Yeah, I suppose the guy could prosecute for the rape and get custody of the child.
Melissa, I was responding to a comment of yours that specfically mentioned a “spermjacking” case.
I do think that it’s fucked up to have a rape victim paying child support. I’m not sure what would be a fair and practical way to provide support for the children in this case. My own preferred solution would be for the government to provide much more of the support for children in single parent homes; that’s pretty much politically impossible in the US, and I guarantee you that 99% of MRAs would oppose that.
But again, the cases we’re talking about are very rare. Far, far more common? Dads skipping out on their child support responsibilities. Only about 60% of child support gets paid in any given year; 30% of single parents (most of them women) get stiffed. I’m guessing in some of these cases the fathers convinced their partners to forego birth control, and promised to be there for them.
In any case, the MRAs who claim to be concerned about this aren’t lobbying for new laws or even trying to come up with workable solutions. They’re using it as an excuse to indulge their paranoid fantasies and rail against evil women. The way they talk about it, you would assume that every other woman in the dating pool is a spermjacker just waiting for her chance to pounce.
Yeah, that’s what I’m driving at. That’s probably around 25% of what’s needed to raise a kid. So the custodial parent is covering 75% of the cost, plus all of the time that goes into raising the child. It’s a net loss for the custodial parent, not a $100K bonus check.
Theatrical? Do you really think his ranting about being made a slave by having to pay child support is just theatrical? He wants no obligation toward his child at all, he’s making up figures and talking as if women are just waiting to jump out of the bushes to steal his precious sperm and have him financially enslaved or imprisoned. Seriously, how can you think the guy is NOT misogynistic after that ranting? And this on men’s rights reddit, which is teeming with misogynists. I’m really not impressed by pleading on his behalf.
M: So you’re saying they should be very careful with their sperm? Isn’t that basically what MaunaLoona was saying in the first place, granted somewhat more theatrically, and he is being derided as a misogynist for it.
That’s not what he’s saying.
What he’s saying is, “women are conniving bitches who will try to steall 100,000 dollars from you by tricking you into getting them pregant.
And that you think this is a real problem gives the lie to your claim that you remember the child.
Because if you remember the child, then it’s incumbent on everyone who might be in the equation to be careful where they put a loaded penis.
Yeah, I’ve seen that variant of the Scunthorpe Problem before. The best one was one where someone’s post wound up with “sI am a racist douche-fuck” stuck in the middle of it.
And the issue of paying for the kid’s needs trumps the rest.
As has been pointed out, the average (note… that’s not median) award is about 25 percent of the costs of rearing a child. When you factor how many women don’t get paid the money they were awarded… this is such a non-problem.
The Kittehs’ Unpaid Help,
“Theatrical? Do you really think his ranting about being made a slave by having to pay child support is just theatrical? He wants no obligation toward his child at all…”
Ok, theatrical may not be the right word. It’s nearly 3am here.
“he’s making up figures”
Is he?
“and talking as if women are just waiting to jump out of the bushes to steal his precious sperm and have him financially enslaved or imprisoned.”
That’s a bit of an exaggeration.
“Seriously, how can you think the guy is NOT misogynistic after that ranting?”
I didn’t say that MaunaLoona is not misogynistic. For all I know he may have said some very misogynistic things elsewhere. But where is the misogyny that he is being mocked for on this occasion. Discussing the legal liabilities and obligations of fathers is not of itself misogyny. Nor is encouraging caution regarding contraception.
I totally agree that his concerns are disproportionate and exaggerated though, and I have already said so.
“And this on men’s rights reddit, which is teeming with misogynists.”
That doesn’t automatically make MaunaLoona a misogynist.
“I’m really not impressed by pleading on his behalf.”
That’s ok, I’m not trying to impress you. Also, I don’t actually care too much about MaunaLoona; I just like to be critical sometimes (in a polite and civilized manner). Does that makes me a Troll? I actually don’t think of myself as a troll, but I do have a pedantic streak, and when I get into a discussion I have an urge to argue what ever point I was making. I actually wasn’t expecting to get drawn into a discussion like this. Perhaps that was short sighted of me.
Anyway, I will accept your point that MRA’s “talking as if women are just waiting to jump out of the bushes to steal [their] precious sperm” is misogynistic. I suppose when MaunaLoona’s comment is understood in that wider context it can be considered mysogynistic.
Peace.
@M: it’s hard to parse meaning without a sense of context.
But any (presumably) white man claiming completely unironically that being forced to pay child support (even for a child conceived by means of his rape) is essentially the same as being a slave is regurgitating one of the talking points of the misogynists’ rights movement.
when I get into a discussion I have an urge to argue what ever point I was making. I actually wasn’t expecting to get drawn into a discussion like this.
You go to a blog where the purpose is stated in big letters right at the top: MOCKING MISOGYNY.
There is a post that is defined as containing misogynistic material.
There are a number of posts mocking the misogyny (most made by people who have been reading at this blog quite a bit, many of whom have fairly extensive experience in social justice issues and activism).
And you decide to defend the original poster, knowing that you like to argue your points, and somehow DIDN’T expect to get it dicussion?
ORLY?
Html fail: when I get into a discussion I have an urge to argue what ever point I was making. I actually wasn’t expecting to get drawn into a discussion like this. is M’s point, that was supposed to be emphasized; the following paragraphs are mine.
Melissa, I don’t think you’re a troll – yet. You are starting to sound like one when you start splitting hairs in defence of these clowns and their paranoia, with “oh I’m not saying he’s not a misogynist, just not a misogynist in this comment” Do you think this comment wouldn’t be informed by his misogyny, that it’s somehow immune?
On top of that, I don’t see how a man could come to have those ridiculous, baseless ideas without them being based on fear, dislike and distrust of women, and without him seeing us as some sort of malevolent mass rather than as individual human beings. He talks as if the idea of a financial burden on non-custodial parents (always men in their eyes) for their unwanted children is an ever-present threat, and as if it’s a cakewalk for the custodial parent (always, in their eyes, the woman). No, sorry, his misogyny shows very clearly in this, and when you’ve read enough of the MRM’s rantings. As for hanging out on men’s rights reddit not meaning he’s a misogynist – do you seriously think anyone else would be there adding to their tinfoil hat ideas?
Gad, it’s html fail central here tonight!
Pecunium,
“What [MaunaLoona is] saying is, “women are conniving bitches who will try to steall 100,000 dollars from you by tricking you into getting them pregant. And that you think this is a real problem gives the lie to your claim that you remember the child.”
First of all I don’t think that that is the real problem. I have already said several times that I consider MaunaLoona’s concerns about “spermbergling” to be exaggerated and disproportionate.
I have also already stated that the needs of the child are more important than anything else – or words to that effect. How could I possibly have made that statement if I had forgotten about the child or considered them to be irrelevant?
@Itiliana
A late entry to the FeMRA Troll of the Year category? A poor showing, but she could pull it out.
Poor showing?
I don’t even want to be a troll, but now I feel I should prove myself somehow..
Hhmmm…
@Some Gal: No way. Maybe- MAYBE- for next year. It would take an NWO-level meltdown in the next couple of days to surpass Sunshine Mary.
Melissa – so why are you here defending him?