It’s official: Men’s Rights Activists are more obsessed with their “precious bodily fluids” than Dr. Strangelove’s General Jack D. Ripper. Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, many of the regulars are celebrating Boxing Day by sitting around on their computers worrying about evil predatory succubi burgling their sperm. Check out this little post, which has gotten 90 upvotes so far:
Yes, he really did just say “It’s as if your penis shoots magic IOUs every time you ejaculate.” If this is true, a lot of guys owe millions if not billions of dollars to a lot of old socks.
In the comments, other Men’s Rightsers shared their deepest concerns about the specter of spermburgling. SuicideBanana warns that the enemy may already be in your bed:
Reconstrucht worries about the money-hungry sperm-hunters lurking in bars:
And one future veterinarian contemplates giving up dating, in order to protect himself from the hypothetical women — sorry, soul sucking succubi — who might hypothetically use his future sperm in order to cash in big on his future vet money. Ca-ching!
Gentlemen: To fully protect your Essence, I suggest you ejaculate directly into a paper shredder, douse the results with hot sauce and arsenic, and pour the entire concoction into the nearest garbage disposal. Then flee the country.
Diogenes: G-d has a male gender, and got it from Hebrew.
Um… sometimes. Othertimes God is a plural with at least one male member and sometimes God is female, like שכינה (The presence of God among men) but most of the Hebrew references are things like Adonai are titles, and while it is masculine it, like צפור (bird) has no specfic requirement that the object is female.
So if one were talking explaining how to tell a cock from a hen one would say, “she is a male, and you can tell because her breast is red”.
Read all the Norse and Greek myths when I was a kid. But were not talking about myths now. Were talking about the Bible.
The Bible is the myths of Judaism and Christianity (depending on what parts you keep/toss).
Glad I could clear that up for you§.
There is a debate rule called The Diogenes The Cynic Principle.
I’m invoking it now. The rule states that before a debate, both parties must articulate under what circumstances they would agree to their opponents viewpoint. Failure to do so means the person is emotionally, and not logically attached to their views.
So, unless you can articulate circumstances that would make you change your mind, I’ll assume your reasons for being an atheist are emotional, and not logical.
You first; Mister “The Bible is not Myth”
§ Could you explain how your inane assertion that the bible isn’t myth relates to your unsupported assertions on linguistic gender and its behavior in language?
Is this a Perm Burgling Sex Alien, ya think?
@ hellkell
“Again I’ll ask you to provide evidence that anyone here thinks that way. There were comments above stating the exact opposite; that a man should use a condom as well if he doesn’t want to take the risk.”
I try to be civil, but now you’re just being a dumb ass. It’s precisely those comments I’m referring to saying a man should use a condom or a man should abstain. Provide a link where any feminist commenter on this thread has ever suggested that a woman do something or avoid doing something to avoid sexual assault.
I’m not even disagreeing with this position. I’m just pointing out that it’s a feminist double standard.
Jo: but telling a woman not to send certain signals if she doesn’t intend to have sex
Pray tell what signals are those?
NWO would say that if a man has his interest sparked, in any way, the woman was asking for sex.
Me, I figure the signal for a woman being interested in sex is, “wanna fuck?” or other overt expressions of that nature.
Which of u is right?
Does this logic apply in reverse? If a man doesn’t want to have sex what signals must he avoid giving to women?
Are there any places where women can’t buy birth control or have their tubes tied?
Yes. It’s perfectly legal in many parts of the US for a pharmacist to be allowed to bar a woman from BC because it offends the pharmacists sensibilities. I know women who have been denied tubal ligation because they weren’t married. My partner’s insurance refused to fund an IUD (covered under her policy) because she hadn’t had a child.
Where on earth does John Anderson live, that he has never seen anything (this being a man with Internet access) about the attempts to stop women getting healthcare in the US? Are we talking willful ignorance/ wrapped up in his own privilege, or what?
@ CassandraSays
“Oh hey, check it out! He decided to completely ignore the fact that I addressed that specific scenario and said that if men weren’t comfortable with that risk then it would be better for them to insist on a condom just to be safe!
He really needs to stop talking to his imaginary friend The Evil Feminist.”
Just got around to it. Unfortunately, there’s only one of me. Don’t you wish I had a twin? I don’t disagree, but I think it’s a feminist double standard that they would never accept if applied to a woman and avoiding sexual assault. It would be teach men not to rape not don’t get raped. It would be teach men to use condoms not teach women not to lie about birth control use.
Has anyone mentioned the fact that if god’s linguistic gender is what makes him male, then the same must be true for el sol, so it’s still exactly as ridiculous? His point was that assuming God is male is copacetic but it’s silly to say the same thing about the sun, right? I’m too lazy to try and go back and find the post.
@ Shiraz
“You’re bringing drinking and getting drunk into it, but I don’t know why.”
And if a woman doesn’t drink and doesn’t flirt with a man she doesn’t intend to sleep with or doesn’t go to a man’s room she doesn’t intend to sleep with and these things prevent a sexual assault (on an occasion I’m not suggesting it will work every time, but a condom could fail also) and it’s something she can do on her end to suggest such would be victim blaming,. If he’s been lied to and she gains his sperm through deception, I’m saying that this is predatory behavior and he is a victim. To suggest that he could avoid it by using a condom is victim blaming, feminist double standard when it pertains to male victimization
Fucking backslash.
I have naturally curly hair, so I guess that means I burgled some poor man’s perm while I was still in utero? But wait! The curly hair comes from my Dad, so I guess my mother burgled his perm and passed it on to me in a cunning act of feminist subterfuge.
Please note that this theory is considerably less ridiculous than John’s theory about how all the feminists are dying to hop on his cock.
whataboutthemoonz, that turned into an awesome e. e. cummings poem. 😉
@ Sir Bodsworth Rugglesby III
“Holy crap, I don’t remember when I last laughed so hard.”
I suppose I could have gone with Wilt Chamberlains number. I think that was 30,000, but I think that was individual women. I guy with a girlfriend getting it 3 times a week would hit 1,000 in 7 years. Hell, there were days I’ve reached 2. I thought that number was fairly conservative. I forgot I was talking to feminist men.
I am also confused as to why John is projecting logical inconsistency onto me so that he can argue against it.
Frothy, could you at least try to be interesting?
You want credit for this?
“Better at what? Groveling for female attention. They’re better at that because they have to be. Granted there are areas in my life where it would be easier if I was a feminist or at least was friends with feminist men, but those are areas where I have to deal with unwanted female attention. The women I know just laugh at my predicament. They take this welcome to the club approach. The men I know think it’s funny too. The MRAs are as clueless about handling it as I am.”
And this?
“There is this woman, who is a customer at my job, that’s been stalking me. The first time she made me a pie. It was to do something “nice” for the guys in the office. The second time she asked me if I wanted it modified. I told her don’t worry because the other people might not like it. She didn’t like the idea of me sharing it, but decided it would be “fun”. I have this funny feeling she trying to drug me. Being a former weight lifter and kick boxer, I’m not worried about her over powering me. She called my work recently and asked me to lunch. Everyone knew who it was because they said you tried immediately and really hard to get out of it. I knew she wouldn’t pull a weapon in a public place, but it’s weird sitting across from someone at lunch you know wants to jump your bone and you don’t want her to. Even the guys refer to her as my stalker.”
I dunno, I guess all the TMI is to make us aware that women are constantly grabbing at you for sex, hence, they may want your sperm? But it all sounds like wishful thinking. I mean, maybe they just want to use you for sex, fella. It happens. But you sound like you have tons of ego to work with, so I guess sperm jacking is yet another way for you to feel totally awesome about yourself.
I’m not sure why you shared this:
“There’s this pretty woman at work with a gorgeous body. Every time I visit a department, I usually say high or pause a minute to chat with the people there. She never gave me the time of day. I guess she thought I was hitting on her. I figured she was hit on all the time and didn’t take it personally. She asks me to check her laptop. When I’m checking it, an image of her and another woman in a compromising position pops up. She apologizes profusely. I close the file, fix her laptop, and never mentioned it again. I haven’t threatened to tell anyone, I haven’t told anyone, I haven’t tried hitting on her. In fact I avoid her desk now, but when I’m in her area, she walks up and starts to chat with me. I feel like I violated her at least her privacy. She thinks we’re friends now. ”
Does this mean you are a man among men for not going after her? Is that the point of this disclosure? Or that yet again — a women is sniffing around you, wanting SOMETHING. Please explain.
“I’ve got the female friend who has developed this crush on me. She’s 17 or so years younger than me. She’s made appreciative comments about my body. I think she was putting me on a guilt trip when she was telling me that she’s resigning herself to a life without having a sexual experience. She’s a wonderful woman and dear friend, but not conventionally attractive. She’s basically friend zoned although I do feel bad for her and care for her. I’d consider giving her a ride on the baloney pony, but it would just confuse her. I have her a jug on Thanksgiving. Now she wants to hug all the time. I don’t want to hurt her feelings because it is just a hug, but it feels weird knowing how she feels.”
OK, we get it, you’re a stud who has to fight off the hot bitches with a stick. Or you’re so good, you’re not taking advantage of her percieved crush on you, and you want cookies. If you don’t want to hug her… you shouldn’t hug her. I wouldn’t hug her if I didn’t want to. Though I think you are right not to have sex with any of these ladies. If you think every woman want your sperm, well, you need to deal with that with some self-actualization and maybe therapy. You know some people have sex just for fun, right? They do.
@ Argenti Aertheri
“Mind you that’s a lot of assumptions, and with 1 in 4 women being raped in their lifetime, with 1 in 4 ovulating at the time, there’s a 6.25% chance of a woman being impregnated via rape.”
I’m not disputing the fact that women are raped. I’m looking at the rationale mentioned in the article about women stealing sperm. The OP mentions several different ways. If a man decides to abstain from sexual interactions with women because of that concern, is that misogynistic? First question, if he accepts a 2% chance or if he believes the chance is higher and does not feel that it is an acceptible risk, is he being misogynistic? Would a stranded woman who doesn’t feel that the risk is worth accepting a ride from a male stranger at night, but would have no problem accepting it from a woman be misandric?
I would say no in either case. Many MRAs would say no in the first case, but yes in the second. I suspect most people here would say yes in the first case (and have as that is the topic of the thread) and no in the second.
This is totally ignorant and betrays you misogyny:
“Are there any places where women can’t buy birth control or have their tubes tied? When women complain about being denied birth control, it’s because they’re angry that it’s not free.”
Actually there are. Pharmacists in some areas are allowed to deny women the Morning After Pill. Doctors routinely try to talk women out of getting their tubes tied. I know this is reality because I’ve experienced some of this, as have some of my friends. Angry because it’s not free? Wow, you really are insensitive, aren’t you? You think that’s our problem, that it’s not FREE!? Wow. Fuck.
Well, i know what your position was when Rush the Asshole called Sandra Fluke a slut. Getting birth control options from medical insurance is actually OK, since medical insurance comes out of your own pay.
@ Jennifer
“getting pregnant just for the child support makes zero sense.”
I agree with you. I think these guys have a point in that I know of two cases where women have gotten pregnant to trap a man into marriage and two instances of women getting pregnant to keep a man in a marriage. That’s never worked long term either. Outside of celebrities and professional athletes, I’ve never heard of a pregnancy to get child support.
“Reproduction is a privilege afforded to women…”
So, if an angel came down from heaven and offered to give you the gift of giving birth — or maybe becomming a woman, you’d take it? Is that right?
@ Tina
“OMG, please please please tell me that 1,000 social interactions with women is just talking with a woman over coffee at Starbucks…”
Sorry, for most guys on the thread it probably would be, but like what one of the three women said to me when watching me practice Taekwondo in a park. You must have a strong lower body. Once you’ve gone martial artist,, nothing less will do.
Provide a link where any feminist commenter on this thread has ever suggested that a woman do something or avoid doing something to avoid sexual assault.
The two are not the same. We’ve said women who don’t want children should use BC or abstain.
Directly parallel arguments.
Cynic, you twit…you wrote this:
“G-d has a male gender, and got it from Hebrew. But its in Hebrew because of some religious concepts about the nature of men and women. Y’all probably don’t want the detailed religious explanation, so unless its requested, I won’t give it.”
God has male gender because of the Hebrew language? OK, you muffed that by oversimplification. Social/cultural implications factor into god being male in the christian religion. By the way, most of the people here, myself included, have studied poly and mono religions for years…we really don’t need you to explain anything to us, but thanks for offering. You’ve never heard of the Gnostic Bible, have you? No, of course not. Errr, also, polytheism was the norm for thousands of years — oh shit. Read more books then get back to us.
Um, John? There’s more to sex than thrusting. Hell, my FWB does kempo, my not-an-ex is a full time grad student with a job and busy with the RPG game ze wrote the rules for. The former is muscular, the later is not, but since there’s far more to sex than PiV thrusting, they’re both awesome in their own ways. And since I understand the word discretion, that’s all I have to say on that.
Oh…you meant heterosexual cis (monogamous?) sex huh? Well never mind then, my sexytimes don’t count then.
@ hellkell
“ohn, you are completely full of shit and possibly booze.
As a feminist, I have exactly zero MRA friends.”
Just because you hate people who disagree with you doesn’t mean you get to project that on me. Which of us is in the hate group again? Oh, that would be you, the feminist.