It’s official: Men’s Rights Activists are more obsessed with their “precious bodily fluids” than Dr. Strangelove’s General Jack D. Ripper. Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, many of the regulars are celebrating Boxing Day by sitting around on their computers worrying about evil predatory succubi burgling their sperm. Check out this little post, which has gotten 90 upvotes so far:
Yes, he really did just say “It’s as if your penis shoots magic IOUs every time you ejaculate.” If this is true, a lot of guys owe millions if not billions of dollars to a lot of old socks.
In the comments, other Men’s Rightsers shared their deepest concerns about the specter of spermburgling. SuicideBanana warns that the enemy may already be in your bed:
Reconstrucht worries about the money-hungry sperm-hunters lurking in bars:
And one future veterinarian contemplates giving up dating, in order to protect himself from the hypothetical women — sorry, soul sucking succubi — who might hypothetically use his future sperm in order to cash in big on his future vet money. Ca-ching!
Gentlemen: To fully protect your Essence, I suggest you ejaculate directly into a paper shredder, douse the results with hot sauce and arsenic, and pour the entire concoction into the nearest garbage disposal. Then flee the country.
Not really? If a woman is with a man who doesn’t feel the same about children as she does, she can go find another partner, just like he can.
I wouldn’t say that the root of feminism is choice, I’d say it’s opportunity, but either way, it’s about a hell of a lot more than having children.
Fuck me, why am I talking to these trolls like they are real people?
Because you clairedammit, unlike they, exceed the minimum level of decent human being 101.
I do wonder what the trolls would consider a realistic option. Obviously condoms, spermicide and vasectomy are completely unrealistic. Maybe requiring women to abort? I have a suspicion they would consider that a very realistic option that they should have.
Hey, proof I’m not married to a troll! Not that it was in doubt, but validation is still nice.
But if you want her to be pregnant, you would have the option to make her have the baby. That’s probably their minimum standard.
It all comes down to men controlling women for this lot, doesn’t it? They want to force pregnancy, childbirth and child-rearing on those of us who don’t want it, or don’t want it with them, or don’t want it now, or even those of us who would die in the process. But they also want to deny children to those of us who do want them. It’s entirely about dehumanising women and returning us to chattel status.
You won’t get any defense of PUAs from me. I just ask that you don’t confuse them with MRAs. From what little I’ve read and I’m sure it’s the extreme, they seem to be rapey assholes. I’d venture on their sites to take a peek, but I really hate rape and I feel weird when I take the feminist’s side even in our discussions at GMP.
Maybe someday when I’m looking for a fight. A feminist acquaintance tried to get me to volunteer with IMPACT, but I heard what they put those women through and wouldn’t have the heart to intentionally make a woman cry. Two female friends are trying to get me to do that walk a mile thing. I’m sure they’d feel safer with a man (you know non-feminist dude 🙂 ) walking and if I have to trip my 200 or so pounds a mile in 3 inch stilettos, I’d be thinking of John Book in Witness.
And if they can’t control women, they’ll threaten to go their own way, but never leave.
John, I don’t see the twerps and their “spermjacking” nonsense as anything like PUAs, except for this: they are all misogynists.
@ dumpster jedi
“MRAs, the answer to your problems is clear, simple, and to the point:
Eat it. If you ejaculate, scrape it all up and eat that shit. Slurp it all down, turn those used condoms inside-out, don’t leave one precious drop for those semen-hungry succubi to find! Those are YOUR sacred fluids, they must not ever leave your sight!
Do this and i guarantee you will not have any problems with women who seek your holy-juice.”
Victim blame much or only men.
I wonder what the MGTOW really think it means, anyway? So they don’t get into relationships (and some seem never to have had relationships) – big deal. Who’s affected? Nobody but themselves, and there’s nothing in that to distinguish them from people who are happily single.
Do they plan never to talk to women at all? Could be a bit difficult if they are trying to live in any society, since they’re not going to be able to avoid us. I don’t think it’s quite reached the point where everything can be done via the Internet, and is that what they plan anyway?
No, it seems to come down to the “happily single” bit. They say they’re going their own way and avoiding relationships, but they obsess over women, or rather, over their strange notions of women, which have little to do with reality. All that guff about how awful female bodies are, all those protests about how they don’t think about sex any more, really they don’t; all the waffling about how terrible relationships are BUT how they want affection … yeah, they’re not some grand movement, they’re just woman-fearing, woman-hating men who’re caught up in their self-created misery and trying to justify it.
I see that my arguments are either invisible, or such that John-Boy can’t respond.
I see John is busy fighting the imaginary feminists that live in his head again, at the same time as trying to get the real ones to admire him for being such a “man”.
(I did not know that “man” meant “over 200 pounds”. How fascinated I am to learn that there is an entire continent with almost no men on it.)
What difference does it make? Either way, MRA’s will accuse feminists of being man-hating bitches. If feminists don’t drop everything to advocate for banning the pill, it’s because we want to encourage male sterility. If we do drop everything to advocate for banning the pill, it’s because we don’t want men to have reproductive choices. Isn’t that right, Anderson?
Criminy! Mis ter An der son thinks he is a nice guy!
On the pill with a 10% chance of sterility thing, sure, if you want to take it then go ahead and do so, but if you’re assuming that women should then go “oh well this guy I’m sleeping with took the pill and it’s 10% effective so I guess I don’t have to worry about using any other methods to prevent pregnancy any more” then you’re really really dumb.
However effective a male pill, however free of side-effects, if I were having casual sex I would not trust a man who simply said he used it, especially if he didn’t want to use a condom. I’d be using my own birth control, because I’m the one who’d be getting an abortion if it went wrong. That’s what it comes down to, for me, with the idea of a male pill: men don’t have nearly as much at stake. It’s not their lives or long-term health at risk.
If any proposed medication is only going to be 10% effective I’d want it to be 100% free of side effects, too, otherwise that’s a pretty shitty medication from a risk/reward perspective.
Am I getting it backward? I thought that pill was leaving 10% of men permanently sterile, or something like that.
@ Amused
“You already have a realistic choice not to have children. You can use a condom. You can have a vasectomy. Those may not be ideal, ”
I’ve seen this argument before especially when it pertains to abortion, but I’ve seen it from the other side. Having an ultrasound and viewing an ultrasound doesn’t deny a woman an abortion. Parental notification doesn’t deny a woman an abortion. They still have choice.
Condoms can fail and a pill could still be used in conjunction with a condom. A vasectomy requires a man to undergo a surgical procedure. Feminists would never stand for a woman to be told have a surgical procedure or have a child and consider that a realistic choice.
“And no legislature is trying to legally limit men’s control over their bodies”
Unless the pill us being held up because it can’t get FDA approval, which is what I suspect, then the government is telling men what they can and can’t do with their bodies.
“As to women’s choice to have children — there are already sperm banks”
True, but going back to the OP’s point, sperm donors are not required to pay child support. There are no restrictions and there shouldn’t be on the number of children a sperm donor can father. That could make some women in smaller communities leery of using sperm donation. Sure women have that option, but it doesn’t mean that it wouldn’t be more attractive to trick a guy into it usually by telling him she’s on birth control. I’m not saying it’s right or that most women do it. I don’t even think it’s for the child support that these guys are afraid of. I’ve only seen it done to trap a guy into marriage or an attempt to keep a man in a marriage. I’m not even saying I would take that pill. I’m saying that men deserve bodily autonomy too. Men deserve to have access to all the choices that are out there. Men deserve to decide what levels of risk they are willing to accept.
I initially thought that too, but then why would he think that feminists would oppose it? If this is a proposed pill that is very effective at preventing pregnancy but has a nasty side effect in leaving 10% of users permanently sterile then I’m not sure why anyone would think that anyone other than the potential users would have any say in whether or not they should be allowed to use it. People get to decide for themselves what risks they’re willing to take in terms of that kind of thing.
Oh, do fuck off. The feminist men here are better than you could ever hope to be.
Why I am not surprised you hail from the cesspool that is GMP? That place should be renamed Shitty Humans, Inc.
Also, I’m with Kitteh in that I wouldn’t be willing to just accept “I took a pill so it’s all good” as a reason not to use barrier methods with a one night stand or a casual partner, because how can I be sure that they’re telling the truth, or that they’re taking the pill correctly*? With a long term partner, though, I’d be fine with a scenario where he’s taking a pill and we’re not using any other methods, assuming that this is a good relationship.
John is of course probably going to come back with “well that’s the situation men are in now if a woman says she’s on the pill!”, which is true. If a man doesn’t feel comfortable just accepting that then, like the woman in my hypothetical above, he should probably insist on using a condom too.
I’m all for renaming John’s favorite site the Godawful Men Project.
Cassandra: I used humans because their managing editor is a woman and total rape apologist. Men aren’t the only problem over there.
So far I’ve only encountered the male posters. I thought the only person involved who wasn’t a cis man was ozy, and I never understood why zie wanted to be involved in that mess.
Victim blame much or only men.
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