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Men’s Rights Redditor warns men: “Be careful with your sperm. Your very freedom is at stake.”

Men: Protect your Purity of Essence
Men: Protect your Purity of Essence

It’s official: Men’s Rights Activists are more obsessed with their “precious bodily fluids” than Dr. Strangelove’s General Jack D. Ripper. Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, many of the regulars are celebrating Boxing Day by sitting around on their computers worrying about evil predatory succubi burgling their sperm. Check out this little post, which has gotten 90 upvotes so far:

MRspermworth92k

Yes, he really did just say “It’s as if your penis shoots magic IOUs every time you ejaculate.” If this is true, a lot of guys owe millions if not billions of dollars to a lot of old socks.

In the comments, other Men’s Rightsers shared their deepest concerns about the specter of spermburgling. SuicideBanana warns that the enemy may already be in your bed:

MRspermBoogywoman

Reconstrucht worries about the money-hungry sperm-hunters lurking in bars:

MRspermPredatory

And one future veterinarian contemplates giving up dating, in order to protect himself from the hypothetical women — sorry, soul sucking succubi — who might hypothetically use his future sperm in order to cash in big on his future vet money. Ca-ching!

MRspermSuccubus

Gentlemen: To fully protect your Essence, I suggest you ejaculate directly into a paper shredder, douse the results with hot sauce and arsenic, and pour the entire concoction into the nearest garbage disposal. Then flee the country.

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Only if there’s a chin-up competition first.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

But of course! They’d have to do that as a warm-up at least.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

My bullshit detector is pinging in general, by the way. I know some serious martial arts guys. This guy doesn’t sound like one of them, he sounds like…well, the bad guy from Karate Kid, all dumbass macho bluster and nothing to back it up.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Heheh he’s the Steele/Dumbass of the martial arts world. Hasn’t graduated to being the Pell, yet.

Hey, John, have you an Uncle Monty by any chance?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

“Just because you hate people who disagree with you doesn’t mean you get to project that on me. Which of us is in the hate group again? Oh, that would be you, the feminist”

According to the SPLC, that’d b you. Please explain the problem with refusing to be friends with members of hate groups.

I don’t have any neo-nazi friends either…

“I think all are medical abortions. If you don’t need to cut skin or bone, I’m unsure you can categorize them as surgical. So a doctor using a tongue depressor is performing exploratory surgery, real smart. Oh yeah, how about an ear doctor using an “alligator”. That’s got to be surgery too. I guess you can STFU now and we won’t need to be hearing from you.”

Google, go use to! If it requires more than local anesthea, it’s surgical. Wisdom tooth extraction? Surgical. Pain killers afterwards? Medicinal. Dental drilling with novicane? Non-surgical. Pap smear? Non-surgerical. Abortion pill? Medicinal. Dilation and curettage? Surgical.

My gods man, abortions are either medicinal (she takes pills) or surgical (instruments go inside her).

“With pregnancy, the potential result is actually a logical consequence of sperm theft.”

Why in the ever loving fuck do you continue to assume that rapists never use condoms?! Or, for that matter, that the raped person orgasms? Sure, it does happen, but 100% of the time?

“If 2% is insufficient to generate a realistic risk, what percentage would be, In cases where the consequences for which are not minor?”

Double that, at least. I’m going to assume you didn’t google SJS and do it for you — warning, skin falls off.

“So now morality and compassion is dependent on the number of victims. Truly feminist logic.”

Some one get me booze, clearly I’m too sober to get through to John. Compassion for someone does not require their fears to be founded, these guys are welcome to remain celibate but that doesn’t make their fears any more reasonable. I have compassion for SJS survivors (and anyone that’s potentially about to have it, hi Pecunium! Glad your skin didn’t fall off!) Doesn’t make fearing it any more rational though.

“OK, would that make her misandric? People here seem to imply that a man avoiding making a woman pregnant is misogynist simply because he chooses to do it for his own reasons and not to benefit her.”

Which is it, can you not read, or to process wtf we’re saying? You are welcome to avoid haing kids, ou are welcome to avoid having sex, you are not welcome to go spreading about how you think all women what to steal your sperm. Or rather, you may say such, but be prepared to be called misogynist ad/or delusional.

“So feminists support the patriarchy when it suits them.”

Oh. My. Fucking. Gods. Take it up with the people feminism is already taking it up with means we support them? Do you speak the same backwards language as Steele where “to toe the dogma” means to challenge it?!

Alright, so we want to stick with probabilities, here is a hypothetical. Men are killed at 4 times the rate of women. Men commit 90% of the murders. 30% of women are killed by a male intimate partner. 60$ of intimate partner deaths are women killed by male intimate partners. 33% of intimate partner deaths are men murdered by female intimate partners.

Short version: women who kill are significantly more likely to choose an intimate than a man who kills although men are more likely to kill and more likely to kill an intimate. So theoretically he would be safer if he avoided having intimate relationships with women. He would reduce his chance of being killed by a female by a whopping 33%. A woman on the other hand would not have as great a safety increase and may be more at risk as a man is more likely to kill a stranger. (I haven’t done the math so correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure it won’t be 33% safer).)

So if he faces significant risk, but doesn’t see it and incorrectly advocates a position where he doesn’t face significant risk, but thinks he does, is he still misogynistic when he tells people that he’s not entering into relationships with women because it’s dangerous?

You are allergic to math apparently. In both raw numbers and percents, more women are killed by intimate partners than men. That men are more likely to kill non-intimates is as relevant as the price of tea in China. (Which, right bout now, seems more relevant, John here is making me want a very strong glass of my tea and whiskey mix.)

As for that last sentence / paragraph, try fixing your atrocious English and I’ll try answering the question.

“If you think a woman would be safer walking in a bad neighborhood with a feminist man than with me, it would depend on the feminist man.”

Oh let’s see…Pecunium? Oh hell’s yes. My FWB? Definitely. My not-an-ex is gender fluid, so pick a gender, but zie’s prepared for zombies, so yep there too. Frankly, I’d trust Pecunium about a million more times than you.

“You can’t get sympathy from people who think male rape is hypothetical.”

Please do cite where anyone here said that.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

THIS!

“What people here are saying is so rare as to be a non-issue (sort of like being hit by lightening) is “sperm-jacking” with the intent of getting $5,000 a year in child support.”

“What our friend here is overlooking is the fact that some women may see him as the man they need protection from, not the one they want to protect them.”

“You couldn’t read for comprehension if your life depended on it. ”

“It’s the conflating everything with rape in part that makes me wonder if it’s ever occurred to him that he himself may be seen as more of a potential threat than a potential rescuer.”

ALL THE SECONDING

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Tea and whiskey mix, did you say? I’m not sure how that would taste…maybe if it was boubon? But I’m very fond of the type of chu-hai drink that’s made with oolong (and shochu, obviously).

pecunium
7 years ago

Tea with whisky seems to be a popular tipple. I’ve even had a bartender bring me a teabag when I ordered a lemon toddy.

I don’t get it. Maybe sweet tea with milk and whisky?

pecunium
7 years ago

Oh god… I have to be awake in four hours to go to work, and I have a party to attend in the evening. I really ought to be asleep.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Whisky with milky and sugary things like puddings is a traditional combination. With straight up tea I can’t imagine it being all that great. Needs a less distinctively flavored kind of booze to work, I think.

(This is the reason that chu-hai drinks are dangerous, you feel like you’re just drinking tea with a slight kick and then the next thing you know you get up and the room is spinning.)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Cassandra — I’ve been doing constant comment (bigelow I think) and Jameson’s, works better than I expected. Not sure how or why, but it takes the bite our of the whiskey.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

BTW I don’t even like whisky that much, but whisky truffles? Yes please. Much tastier than rum truffles. Whisky fudge is also nice.

pecunium
7 years ago

Argenti: I want to know where the missing 10 percent of intimate partner fatalities are.

Women = 30 percent of intimate partner deaths.

Men = 60 percent.

That’s 90 percent.

I don’t even want to try and solve for the valuable ‘X’ in the muddle of all the extraneous numbers to determine the various risks (risk of male on male homicide as opposed to female on male intimate partner homicide) all of which is avoiding the question of cause in the female on male vs. male on female intimate partner murders.

It’s as if he’s never heard of fucking context (note he never responded to my direct response to his direct question of me).

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

“Oh god… I have to be awake in four hours to go to work, and I have a party to attend in the evening. I really ought to be asleep.”

I was wondering what you were doing on this late…don’t worry, John will almost certainly still be here tomorrow. G’night!

pecunium
7 years ago

I suppose that the “missing” ten percent could be intersexed/transitioning, but one would expect our boy to be trying to exploit that somehow.

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Say, tea drinkers, does anyone here like tea-with-milk as well as chai? I’ve never tried chai but my gf described it to me recently. Are the two at all similar?

pecunium
7 years ago

And I suspect that a good breakdown of the numbers would say that the way to reduce risk is to avoid hanging out with violent men.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

“I want to know where the missing 10 percent of intimate partner fatalities are.”

Some portion of those are same sex relationships. I have the study on my Mac, if you really want me to do the math I will.

pecunium
7 years ago

Ah… yes, I was blind. I failed to read between the lines.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Men in general really, with 90-fucking-% of murderers being male. But I’m sure that’d be misandric. I’ll have the breakdown of the numbers in your inbox by tomorrow afternoon, or um, this afternoon. You should get some sleep, and I should go make tea and switch to a real computer.

pecunium
7 years ago

Chai is not the same as tea with milk. Properly made the tea is steeped in the heated milk, which changes the flavor/texture more than the spicing does.

I find good chai to be splendid. I find that I have to either make it at home, or go to an indian restaurant to get it. Bad chai is wretched.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Chai is so much better than just tea with milk, it ‘s made properly. Then again I like strong flavors in general.

Going back to John and his macho bluster, one of the martial arts buddies I was talking about earlier? Works as a bodyguard. Used to be in a Triad. Chinese guy from Hong Kong, about 5ft8, maybe 150-ish pounds. Far more closely aligned with my views on gender than with yours. Would I pick him over John if I was looking for male company to help keep me safe in a potentially sketchy situation? You bet your ass I would.

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Thank you, drinkers of chai! 🙂

I’ll be off shortly, the Edinburgh Tattoo is about to start. No, I have no idea why it airs on New Year’s Eve here, but that’s how they’ve done it since the 1970s. I shall doubtless end up pointing out to Mr K that those are not the sort of kilts I have in mind when saying he’d look good in one.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Dropping these all in one place for easy referencing, since this all comes up over and over again (and I’m on a real keyboard currently)

Multiple math question re: murder for hire — 1 and 2. That second one has some rare diseases for comparison rates. Murder for hire question from John Anderson.

This exact math with John and rape data.

It comes to my attention at this point that John really is just allergic to math.

And I don’t still have the spreadsheets, but here’s the crux of it

About one third of female murder victims were killed by an intimate.
About 3% of male murder victims were killed by an intimate.
Of all female murder victims, the proportion killed by an intimate has been increasing.
Of male murder victims, the proportion killed by an intimate has dropped.

The number of persons arrested by gender in 2011 (table 42)–

Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter
Total 8,359
Male 7,374
Female 985

Breakdown by genders of murderer and victim —

Male offender/Male victim 65.3%
Male offender/Female victim 22.7%
Female offender/Male victim 9.6%
Female offender/Female victim 2.4%

That last one has a lot of good charts on the rates of intimate partner homicides. Overall though, rounding, 90% of murders are committed by men, and 10% by women; 30% of women who are murdered are murdered by an intimate partner, and 5% of men who are murdered are murdered by an intimate partner.

To attempt to figure out wtf John was trying to say (using the last citation above) —

Victimization rate, by gender, intimate partner homicide —
Male = 35.2%
Female = 64.8%

Offender rate, by gender, intimate partner homicide —
Male = 65.5%
Female = 34.5%

Victimization rate, by gender, all homicides —
Male = 76.5%
Female = 23.5%

Offender rate, by gender, all homicides —
Male = 88.8%
Female = 11.2%

For the love of all things holy John, if you start that 3:2 shit again, my head might explode. Go read the other thread, where we did this already! It’s linked at the top of this comment!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

wtf? Did it eat my long ass comment? It’s not showing me the in mod queue message even…fuckity fuck fuck…

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The Sock-eating Monster has expanded its diet to include comments! Run for your lives!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Well at least it’s showing me the mod queue message now! I did expect that, considering the number of blockquotes.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Whew!

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Just had an awwwwww moment – one of the Scottish regiments just brought their mascot onto the castle esplanade. A TINY black Shetland. 🙂

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Be glad you’re watching it on TV. I’ve been to the actual event and it’s hellaciously cold.

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I can well imagine, even in August!

What I can never get over is how the Esplanade (they’re just doing the march-out now) looks so big on telly and yet so tiny when you’re there. Mum and I were there twice, just after the Festival was over, and the stands were still up, and we were standing looking around saying, “This can’t be it, surely!”

I have a theory that the bands are really made up of hobbits.

lauralot89
7 years ago

Coming in way late with this, but in regards to the Hebrew God being male, it’s entirely possible to interpret the Bible to include a female God: http://www.therowboat.com/2008/08/do-you-believe-in-mother-god/

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

“Is it just me who’s totally creeped out by the way John Anderson keeps equating consensual sex with rape in his failed analogies?”

Um, yeah.

And John, I think you’re just pretending to mistunderstand what we’re saying. I mean really, what the hell is the following all about?:

“If you think a woman would be safer walking in a bad neighborhood with a feminist man than with me, it would depend on the feminist man. I’m basing my evaluation on the average feminist guy I’ve met. Aside from the guy who volunteered at IMPACT (That’s how I heard that they recreated the scenarios where these women were raped. I know they’re trying to empower them. I wouldn’t have the heart to do it.) and he didn’t identify as a feminist, there are few I would think could better protect a woman than I. If that is what you meant then LMAO!!!”

Um, are those ladies who want you, want you for protection? What the hell are you talking about this now for? Huh? Feminist dudes can’t beat you up? What point are you trying to make here?

But I do think you’re willfully misunderstanding everything everyone here has been posting so you can say absolute horseshit like the following:

“Like I’m really going to try and score points talking about the sex I don’t want. You can’t get sympathy from people who think male rape is hypothetical.”

No one said male rape is hypothetical in here. Drop the straw.

OK, and more bragging while shaming male feminists for some fucking reason:

“Why would you think I’d even bother? The fact of the matter is the one thing a feminist man can probably do better than I is avoid attracting women sexually even the women they don’t want (if there are any).”

I don’t know, do you think you’re going to make any of cry by taking yourself out of the dating pool? I’m not sure why you keep sharing your dating status with us.
*Sigh* Anyhoo, this:

“Short version: women who kill are significantly more likely to choose an intimate than a man who kills although men are more likely to kill and more likely to kill an intimate.”

You fucked that up…EVERYONE is more likely to be killed by someone they know. According to the FBI, statistics have shown that nearly half of all murder victims actually knew their murderer. Like, 20 percent of murders involve family members. So even though we hear the horror stories of serial killers, or random unsolved murders, your chances are much higher of being killed by someone you know, maybe even someone you love. And 1 in 4 female murder victims are killed by their husband or boyfriend.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
7 years ago

Y’all are doing a great job trying to reason with John, so I’m gonna jump back a page or two and point out how cute it is that Diogenes thinks he’s the first person to wonder if the Voynich Manuscript might be music. And that he thinks if his own method of translating it into music fails, he will have proven that it’s not music.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Just because you hate people who disagree with you doesn’t mean you get to project that on me. Which of us is in the hate group again? Oh, that would be you, the feminist.

That would be you in the hate group, John. I give zero fucks about you, hate isn’t even on the menu. What I do give many fucks about is the way you turds want to deny the basic humanity of women.

I think all are medical abortions. If you don’t need to cut skin or bone, I’m unsure you can categorize them as surgical. So a doctor using a tongue depressor is performing exploratory surgery, real smart. Oh yeah, how about an ear doctor using an “alligator”. That’s got to be surgery too. I guess you can STFU now and we won’t need to be hearing from you.

You really don’t like it when a woman proves you wrong, do? You certainly are unsure, whoops, WRONG about a great many things. But you do love showing your ass, don’t you? Must be all that tae kwon do.

Amused
7 years ago

@John

If you don’t need to cut skin or bone, I’m unsure you can categorize them as surgical.

So … if you have a tumor in your large colon, excising it isn’t surgery? There is no skin cutting or bone cutting involved. They just do a lot of cutting on the inside of your body.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Shiraz, I have a comment in mod, it’s very long, very math-y, and very full of citations. Your numbers are more or less correct though. 30% of women who are murdered are murdered b an intimate partner, even if we round to 1 in 4, that’s still 1 in 4 women who are murdered. JOHN’s math alley is far worse than your error, I’m assuming you jus forgot to includ he context of 1 in 4 (I fail at including enough context)

Amused
7 years ago

According to Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary:

Operation: a procedure performed on a living body usually with instruments for the repair of damage or the restoration of health and especially one that involves incision, excision, or suturing

So there you have it, John Anderson, not-quite-doctor failed medical expert. Abortion clearly involves excision, so it’s surgery. Or maybe medicine has been taken over by feminists?

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

Thanks Argenti. I knew I should have just waited for someone else to do the math right.

lauralot89
7 years ago

@Amused: Clearly the evil feminists threatened the creators of Merriam-Webster until they took out the part of the definition that said “does not apply to slutty slutacious women sluts having abortions.”

Some Gal Not Bored at All

I am still boggling at John not knowing what surgery is. His math will be next onnmy list for boggling at. (Am I wrong or did he basically claim that everyone’s risk of being murdered by an intimate partner is the same as the risk of a murder victim being murdered by an intimate partner?)

whataboutthemoonz
7 years ago

“You can choose not to believe me if you want. I just don’t see how you folks can live in a world where the De Beers group manipulates the world diamond supply, and yet it’s such an impossible stretch to think that maybe women have been doing the same with vaginas.”

So, like, I feel weird for having to say this, but vaginas are actual body parts, and not mysterious magical artifacts women are gifted with on the day of their birth. . . . duh?

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@Amused – “So there you have it, John Anderson, not-quite-doctor failed medical expert.”

Do you think he studied under Dr Pell?

@whataboutthemoonz – yeah, that bit squicke me out, too. It’s like vaginas are things that women have wrongly gained control of, things that are no particular use or importance to them, but that they meanly keep men from getting to. He’s basically talking as if we are denying men something they’ve a right to … what a surprise.

pecunium
7 years ago

Of course this thread shows why John Anderson doesn’t really rate in the TOTY competition… no staying power.

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He hasn’t the fire in his belly. Plenty of booze, going from the incoherence, but not the fire. 😉

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

He probably thinks he has fire in his belly, but it’s just acid reflux from all the bile.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

LOL!

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Other than Slavey’s demands for different sources than those I used, has any troll ever responded to my math? It feels like they refuse to be proven wrong, but know they’re wrong, and thus quietly sulk off to the corner of shame. Either that or they really are deathly allergic to math.

whataboutthemoonz
7 years ago

Uh, yeah, I’m like “this is an actual part of my body and not an inanimate object.”

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

If you take out the misogyny what you’re left with is a statement that women control vaginas, and the access to those vaginas. Well, with the exception of trans men, duh.

Let’s play reverse the genders. Men control the penis cartel! Again, with the exception of trans women, yes, penises are mostly under the control of men. And when you put it that way it’s obvious even to the most dimwitted misogynist that that’s how it should be, but reverse the genders and you run smack into their beliefs that a. women aren’t people and b. vaginas are an entity unto themselves which those bitchy, unreasonable non-people keep insisting on their right to be in charge of.