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Not-Misogyny, Explained at Last

But THIS man clearly LOVES women.

There’s one kind of person you meet again and again in the manosphere: the man who hates women, but insists that he’s not a misogynist. Some of them will even tell you that you calling them a misogynist is equivalent to a white person calling a black person the n-word. And they seem to even believe this.

You may find yourself wondering: how is it that a person who clearly hates women, who says hateful things about them constantly, who spends all his time reading blogs and message boards devoted to the notion that women are evil bitches — how is it that such a person can come to believe that they aren’t a woman-hater?

Well, you’re in luck, because not that long ago one of these fellows gave us a glimpse into the mysterious inner workings of the mind of the misogynist who thinks he’s not a misogynist.

In a post on the Men’s Rights subreddit he titled “Next time someone calls you a misogynist,” cabin5 unpacked all his weird rationalizations and laid them out for everyone to see.

This is long, but worth reading. It’s very revealing. And also sort of hilarious, both in its total lack of awareness and in its garden-variety ignorance and stupidity.

RDmisogyOP

Uh, dude, one part of the definition of “hatred” is “extreme aversion.” Which is also one definition of, you guessed it, repulsion. If you’re repulsedby women — or at least by “the modern, confrontational, American toxic female” — it’s safe to say that yes, indeed, you hate women, or at least the vast majority of the women that you meet on an everyday basis here in the US. Also, if you post in the Men’s Rights subreddit, and regularly use phrases like “the modern, confrontational, American toxic female,” it’s pretty much like having the words “I hate women” tattooed on your forehead.

Elsewhere in the thread he offers further insights into these terrible American “females.”

Western women tend to be butch & mannish- you would have to be practically homosexual to be attracted to one. I’m not homosexual. And they’re like crappy zerox copies of men without any of the positive qualities. …

Possibly the most repulsive things would be their complete unaccountability & the fact that on average, they’re venerally diseased whores who’ve had 57 cocks in them by the age of 25. Would you want your child coming out of that vagina? It’s nauseating.

Dude, I don’t want your child coming out of any vagina. Also, it’s “xerox.”

These are all the thoughts of a grown ass man — who claims to have a daughter over the age of 18 — who honestly thinks he’s somehow not a misogynist.

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Some Gal Not Bored At All
Some Gal Not Bored At All
7 years ago

Underlying the OP’s fetishization of foreign women is the idea that if you know only a little bit about something, then there is only a little bit to know. Thus, foreign women about whom he knows little, are simpler than American women. I have never understood this as it seems like an idea that would never and could never be proven (only, if you are intellectually incurious, remain unproven). The cognitive dissonance of the smarter MRAs who hold this idea must be enormous.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

I just wish someone would develop those damn sexbots and make them cookbots and laundrybots as well. Then these scumbags could go off and have their doll-slaves and not have to bother actual living women. Or at least, it’d be nice to think so, but I suspect that wanting women punished is a big part of their rage-filled fantasy and not one they’d give up even if they had said slave-bots.

Brain bleach time! Elodie Under Glass has a great article about dinosaur colouration research (and really funny takedowns of Bad Journalism By Wolf Cubs, with cute pics). This video about Microraptor and its TOTES COOL iridescent feathers is from the American Museum of Natural History (via the blog).

http://youtu.be/XJGiPzcalwU

cherabushka
7 years ago

the jerkasses who fetishize eastern wives as submissive and demure have obviously never been in a brown/chinese household when the parents are arguing. in the most patriarchal parts of that corner of the world the women tend to rule nothing BUT the family and the house.

Yoyo
Yoyo
7 years ago

Yep those MRAs love them some submissive cliches. I think it’s so funny when they “buy” a third world bride and she kicks their sagging arse. F..k the manosphere, if they could just suppress their homophobia we would all be much happier.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
7 years ago

I have posted this before, I think, but it seems to me to be just right for this d00d.
The flounce song.
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/013677.html#013677

Kaitlyn
Kaitlyn
7 years ago

LOL @ the MRA obsession with the imaginary “submissive foreign woman”. such self hatred, insecurity, weakness. they can’t feel okay unless they convince themselves that they’re above somebody else. if MRAs weren’t so repugnant, I would feel sorry for them.

cherabushka
7 years ago

and since when are western women masculine and promiscuous (not that it matters)? whenever i go out i see most girls have super long hair these days and a good smattering of makeup on. as a teenage girl i can testify that most teenage girls are too busy shaming each other for nonexistent promiscuity to engage in actual promiscuity.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

the jerkasses who fetishize eastern wives as submissive and demure have obviously never been in a brown/chinese household when the parents are arguing. in the most patriarchal parts of that corner of the world the women tend to rule nothing BUT the family and the house.

I’d love to drop said jerkasses in a room with my female in-laws just see how long before they curl up into a ball and want it to all go away. Those women take no shit.

blitzgal
7 years ago

Also, according to this guy, the only way to qualify as “hating” women is to brutally murder several of them. Anything less than that is simply not hate. Unless you’re a woman, then if you merely say the words “I hate men,” then you hate.

Sgt Grumbles
Sgt Grumbles
7 years ago

Reflecting hateful energy:
http://youtu.be/lBGZpR71Cfc

WeeBoy
WeeBoy
7 years ago

Completely OT, but I feel we should celebrate that my mad cat is 100 in cat years. Here she is, hogging my bed.

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x361/nowhereangel/IMG133_zps91c1401e.jpg

I prefer her hogging my bed than doing what she usually does, which is yowling loud enough to wake the neighbours.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Happy Cat 100th to your kitty, WeeBoy! 🙂

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Aw, happy 100th to your mad kitty, WeeBoy!

Sgt Grumbles
Sgt Grumbles
7 years ago

By cat years do you mean 5 years per human year?

WeeBoy
WeeBoy
7 years ago

Yup – She’s 20. And arthritic and mad.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

“We survived the apocalypse, I see. Well done, Doctor! You saved the Earth once again.” — w00t

Happy Cat 100th! Also, that bulldog puppy was adorkable, trying to bark and walk at the same time is just too darned confusing!

kamilla1960
kamilla1960
7 years ago

I wonder who the incredible Eastern European women are that he has met. Some of the many whom economic conditions have forced into sexual slavery?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_trafficking_in_Eastern_Europe

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 years ago

It never fails to astound me how all of these feminist blogs are pretty much exactly the same. Scroll down to the comments section and it’s a bunch of bitter feminists spouting the same tired shit as always: blah, blah, MISOGYNIST, blah, blah, MALE PRIVILEGE, blah, blah WOMEN HAVE IT SO HARD AND THEY’RE ALWAYS VICTIMS.

Come up with some new material. It’s boring reading the tired old shit that’s been debunked a million times by far more intelligent people already.

katz
7 years ago

Whenever these guys talk about Latina women I think of April Ludgate.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

He likes women better if they can’t speak English (no sign that he can speak the language that the women are speaking either). That pretty much says it all. I am so not-misogynist that I prefer the company of women who I can’t talk to, you guys, but that’s not misogynist, it’s a perfectly reasonable aversion to…the sound of English when spoken by a woman?

The bit at the end is just sad. It’s one thing when sexually insecure teenage boys talk that way, but a grown man?

Anonymous
Anonymous
7 years ago

Wow, not 20 minutes and already my original comment is marked for moderation. The rage is strong here. It’s funny how this blog shit talks the “manosphere” when it is in itself pretty much very little more than a big feminist circlejerk. Pretty much all the posts I’ve seen here are just one person going “WOW MEN ARE PIGS/ASSHOLES/MISOGYNISTS/INSERT PEJORATIVE HERE” and then a flood of posts agreeing with them.

At least it serves as more proof that feminists are every bit the hypocrites they decry “misogynists” to be.

freitag235
freitag235
7 years ago

Not everyone here is a woman.

Do try to read through the next time, please.

clairedammit
clairedammit
7 years ago

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MKlein
MKlein
7 years ago

@cherabushka – yep, as someone who graduated from high school less than a year ago, I can attest to that. Everyone thinks everyone but them is having sex in high school.

MKlein
MKlein
7 years ago

(That came out sounding redundant, and it’s a slight exaggeration, but basically yeah.)

Kate
Kate
7 years ago

Ahahahaha…. hey “Anonymous”you should try actually reading someday. ALL first time commenters are marked for moderation, DoucheBro. I guess you’re just not smart enough to figure out the basic rules, eh? Awwww, don’t worry though, the feminists here will make sure to use small words to explain things so that your poor man-brain can process the basics.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

It never fails to astound me how all of these feminist blogs are pretty much exactly the same. Scroll down to the comments section and it’s a bunch of bitter feminists spouting the same tired shit as always: blah, blah, MISOGYNIST, blah, blah, MALE PRIVILEGE, blah, blah WOMEN HAVE IT SO HARD AND THEY’RE ALWAYS VICTIMS.

Come up with some new material. It’s boring reading the tired old shit that’s been debunked a million times by far more intelligent people already.

Try the second most recent thread, it’s turned into a discussion about food. But hey, I gues you can claim that “I can’t really handy spicy” is playing the victim…or something.

Wow, not 20 minutes and already my original comment is marked for moderation. The rage is strong here. It’s funny how this blog shit talks the “manosphere” when it is in itself pretty much very little more than a big feminist circlejerk. Pretty much all the posts I’ve seen here are just one person going “WOW MEN ARE PIGS/ASSHOLES/MISOGYNISTS/INSERT PEJORATIVE HERE” and then a flood of posts agreeing with them.

At least it serves as more proof that feminists are every bit the hypocrites they decry “misogynists” to be.</blockquote?

You new? All new comments go to mod. And frankly, only you're using all caps, but maybe screaming isn't rage?

As for "[p]retty much all the posts I’ve seen here are just one person" — congrats on noticing that all the posts are by the blog owner? That isn't really news, or particularly exciting, but whatever makes you happy I guess?

Oh and that owner? The one going "WOW MEN ARE PIGS/ASSHOLES/MISOGYNISTS/INSERT PEJORATIVE HERE? Yeah, he's a man. "… and then a flood of posts agreeing with them." These things, like this one here? They're called comments, The thing at the top, above the comments? That’s a post.

(I’d be happy to see The Hobbit in theaters, but apparently my brother doesn’t want to go, which basically means I’d have to go by myself and blah on that.)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

And I broke blockquotes, cursed things really are out to get us all sometimes! (No anon, not everything is out to get us, just the blockquotes…stick around awhile and you’ll see, they get everyone sooner or later)

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

@cowardlyanon
You seem to have missed all the comments where we say how much we like most guys. We just hate misogynist arseholes . Funny that you think that all guys are the arseholes who we talk about. You’re the one who seems to hate men here. NEWS FLASH! Not everyone is like you, thank jebus.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

So another one who didn’t read the instructions, then? Or anything else, really.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Hey anonymousmaybesock, if you ever actually read the blog and the comments you’d see that

1) there are these strange beings called MEN hanging out here

2) lots of jokes about all sorts of things abound, like cooking, movies, books, pets

3) any bitterness is about actual things like violence, systemic injustices to all sorts of people and is the sort expressed by people who’ve either experienced it or have a basic level of human decency

4) the subtitle of the blog (up there at the top! In big letters! Go on, you can find it if you try) is Misogyny. I Mock It. So when you come here, yeah, you’re gonna find the sort of loathing and BS the MRM specialises in held up to ridicule. And if you try reading for comprehension, one day you might learn the difference between bitterness and mockery.

5) you’re a really boring and substandard troll. 1/10, needs to try much harder.

katz
7 years ago

I always LMAO at trolls who get thrown in moderation and then post again to wank about the moderation policies. Do they think that their second comment is going to go through if the first didn’t?

Peter
Peter
7 years ago

Most men aren’t into female domination or female throwing their weight around, though

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

Have we ever had a troll who cared much for staying on subject at all rather than diverting to their pet issue, whether athletics or dolls or Rothschild conspiracies, or whatever? It’s not as if the non-troll regulars stay on subject but geez.

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

@kittehhelp

Every now and again it becomes apparent that that subtitle needs to be in 100-point ’90s flashing font.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

No. The trolls see this place as a stage onto which they step and give speeches about their pet issues. Kind of like an an open-mic night for misogynists.

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

an open-mic night for misogynists.

is… is this thing on? Testing, testing… woah!

Hey, have any of you seen the new women they’ve got these days? What’s the deal with THAT?

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Most men aren’t into female domination or female throwing their weight around, though

Which boils down to “I don’t want women leading their own lives or making their own decisions or not deferring to men!”

There’s no systemic domination by women, idiot. Oh, and your use of “men” and “females” is very telling, y’know. Take yourself and your insecurities to a good therapist.

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

I hear a lot of men are into female domination, by the way…

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Oh, but they are not REAL MENZ, lowquacks! Shame on you!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Actually “female throwing their weight around” sounds like a specialized form of wrestling to me. Like a bunch of guys walk into a ring and one really strong woman throws them out again, one by one.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

It’s only loosely related to “male throwing your weight around”, which is known as sumo.

WeeBoy
WeeBoy
7 years ago

I am totally into female domination. And not like that… My godlessdaughter is the smartest most capable person I know. When the revolution comes Im on her side for World Overlady.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Would that wrestling look something like this?

Seranvali
Seranvali
7 years ago

Peter:

Nope. Don’t want to dominate anyone. In fact dominating people you love and care about kinda defeats the object of the exercise (except in a fun and consensual BDSM kind of way). By the same token I don’t want anyone even thinking about dominating me. See, it’s really not that difficult to understand if you stop thinking in stereotypes.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

@ kittehs

Like that, but with spandex hot-pants and RAGE, MISANDRIC RAGE.

Seranvali
Seranvali
7 years ago

The original perpetrator of this nonsense might be a bit more convincing if he a. used a dictionary and b. could string a sentence together but I won’t be placing any bets on it.

Honestly, how do they come up with this hair-splitting tripe?

Jessay (@jessay)
7 years ago

@Historophilia I’d be really interested in a comparison from first draft to final draft to film to see how the characters devolved! I am on the fringe of the film industry (working my way into it one short and trailer at a time) and so I’d love to see what I’ll be up against when I finally shop some of my screenplays/ideas around.

Anonymous just had the weakest attempt at an insulting comment haha. I bet he thought he was showing us and put a lot of effort into that.

Peter
Peter
7 years ago

Of course, intellectuals get bullied because they make other people feel stupid and most people don’t like being made to feel stupid.

Jessay (@jessay)
7 years ago

@MKlein, PLEASE tell me all the lifetime movies are a gross exaggeration and that high school really hasn’t gotten THAT bad. I know I was a virgin all throughout high school but I was not at all popular and didn’t come into my own until the tail end when I started discovering new interests. It wasn’t until I was 19 that I even found a haircut that suited my face haha. So I wasn’t making the boys come running until shortly after h.s. But it didn’t seem like my friends were having much/any sex either unless they’d been in a serious relationship. It was not even close to what is supposedly happening in schools today.