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Not-Misogyny, Explained at Last

But THIS man clearly LOVES women.

There’s one kind of person you meet again and again in the manosphere: the man who hates women, but insists that he’s not a misogynist. Some of them will even tell you that you calling them a misogynist is equivalent to a white person calling a black person the n-word. And they seem to even believe this.

You may find yourself wondering: how is it that a person who clearly hates women, who says hateful things about them constantly, who spends all his time reading blogs and message boards devoted to the notion that women are evil bitches — how is it that such a person can come to believe that they aren’t a woman-hater?

Well, you’re in luck, because not that long ago one of these fellows gave us a glimpse into the mysterious inner workings of the mind of the misogynist who thinks he’s not a misogynist.

In a post on the Men’s Rights subreddit he titled “Next time someone calls you a misogynist,” cabin5 unpacked all his weird rationalizations and laid them out for everyone to see.

This is long, but worth reading. It’s very revealing. And also sort of hilarious, both in its total lack of awareness and in its garden-variety ignorance and stupidity.

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Uh, dude, one part of the definition of “hatred” is “extreme aversion.” Which is also one definition of, you guessed it, repulsion. If you’re repulsedby women — or at least by “the modern, confrontational, American toxic female” — it’s safe to say that yes, indeed, you hate women, or at least the vast majority of the women that you meet on an everyday basis here in the US. Also, if you post in the Men’s Rights subreddit, and regularly use phrases like “the modern, confrontational, American toxic female,” it’s pretty much like having the words “I hate women” tattooed on your forehead.

Elsewhere in the thread he offers further insights into these terrible American “females.”

Western women tend to be butch & mannish- you would have to be practically homosexual to be attracted to one. I’m not homosexual. And they’re like crappy zerox copies of men without any of the positive qualities. …

Possibly the most repulsive things would be their complete unaccountability & the fact that on average, they’re venerally diseased whores who’ve had 57 cocks in them by the age of 25. Would you want your child coming out of that vagina? It’s nauseating.

Dude, I don’t want your child coming out of any vagina. Also, it’s “xerox.”

These are all the thoughts of a grown ass man — who claims to have a daughter over the age of 18 — who honestly thinks he’s somehow not a misogynist.

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howardbann1ster
11 years ago

It has filled my heart with joy to see a great deal of Movement Atheism actually call Dawkins on his shit.

Of course, I say that as a former militant evangelical. Part of me is never happy if I’m not being militant for something. I totally want to be militantly anti-religion. (snarl!)

(did they just like, decide that since “men are inherently better at math” they didn’t need to bother learning math?!)

That would explain why nations with more gender equity not only see women’s math scores rise, but also men’s.

(citation)

Historophilia
Historophilia
11 years ago

Also I now feel justified in saying that I despise Richard Dawkins, not just dislike him.

That is utterly unacceptable.

He’s always on the radio here in the UK, from now on it is getting turned off whenever he arrives.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Oh Howard! Math! With citations! You make me a happy camper! (Helps that my guess might be right, but really, I do love statistics that much 🙂 )

Hell, I’ve been accused of being “scarily fond” of matrices.

“Also I now feel justified in saying that I despise Richard Dawkins, not just dislike him.” — that basically sums up my thoughts, with much less swearing than I did. If David sees this, I do hope he has that tweet handy, because his comment was something akin to “Mild abuse? As compared to what? Extra spicy abuse?” (lol, in utterly unrelated things, maybe that’s how I can save the chicken my mother made last night, lots of spicy sauce)

And whoops on that math, I failed to exclude the percent of the population under 13 and thus not included in the CDC HIV/AIDS rate. Looks like percent of the US population 0-14 years old is easy to find, so I’m just going to fudge it and pretend 13 is the same as 14.

Second, what’s the percentage of HIV/AIDS cases in the population? In raw numbers — “CDC estimates that 1,148,200 persons aged 13 years and older are living with HIV infection, including 207,600 (18.1%) who are unaware of their infection” (source). Since the population of the US is 315,005,000 (source) …

With 20% of those 315 million being less than or equal to 14, that leaves 252~ million. Which works out to 0.45% of the US population (over 13~14) is living with HIV/AIDS, meaning that approximately 0.1% of US women have HIV/AIDS (fun part about numbers this small is that the margins of error get so tiny they can be lost to rounding, which makes rounding errors a joy if you’re being precise)

Re: gender and math — it seemed like in my HS a lot of the male advanced math students took calculus, and a lot of the female advanced math students took statistics. With rare excepts my statistics proves far more useful than my best friend’s calculus (and here I just took it because I was going to need it for my psych major, turns out it’s actually pretty damned useful!)

pecunium
11 years ago

Abnoy: And oh, if you’re complaining about lack of quantity and quality of female representation in the mass media, then make your own mass media.

Mass media? I’ll get right on that. I’ll go buy the licenses needed to get the access to put that media out to the level of “mass”. I’ll also get the primary programming made, and the distribution channels to move it around the world; theater screens, access to cable providers primary line-up, etc.

Because it’s so cheap to start that sort of thing up, and the entrenched media won’t have any problems with the competition.

And pigs might fly out your ass.

Kaitlyn
Kaitlyn
11 years ago

LOL @ anonymous troll, probably some butthurt MRA from a voice for men.

amandajane5
11 years ago

I’m an atheist and former Catholic, so I’ve been finished with Dawkins since “Dear Muslima” because really? American women should shut up about mistreatment because women elsewhere are mistreated, yet he’s only seeking equality when it comes to ridding the world of religious bias?

Kimberly Wigglesworth
11 years ago

hello, I need you help, American Mother political party Which has help many women that have been abuse is being attack By MRA movie called Lawless America ….. Can you please help because, now they are saying they are going after any person that ask them for help….. it is very sick

afeministvoice
11 years ago

Reblogged this on One Little Voice.

Елена
Елена
11 years ago

I love it how he says they’re all so hideous, and then he says all American women are massive sluts that have too much sex lol. I mean I don’t believe all sluts are hot necessarily. It’s just that if you say you have to be gay to be attracted to them, then I don’t know how they would manage to get around as much as he claims. I dunno. I just thought that was funny.

wolffood
11 years ago

I – I’m so proud! I used your site link as an argument on Facebook and a mansplainer who thought he could badly type “pms” as an un-answerable argument tattled to them and they listed it as “hate speech.” Then I went and told Twitter Facebook did it. Thank you! 😀 #INeedFemnismBecause

katz
11 years ago

Well done! *fistbump*

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Awesome, also, the complementary welcome package consisting of a misandrist hard chair, matching bath towels, SCENTED MOTHERFUCKING CANDLES, flavored bottled water (your choice of brand and flavor) and cupcakes, delivered by female (whore) penguins in spanx.

And a kitten previously added by katz. (You want to add kittehs? Cuz I totally can do that)

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Hey, the welcome package goes into mod? I thought I’d gotten it perfect?! Let’s try that again.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

the complementary welcome package consisting of a misandrist hard chair, matching bath towels, SCENTED MOTHERFUCKING CANDLES, flavored bottled water (your choice of brand and flavor) and cupcakes, delivered by female (whore) penguins in spanx.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Katz — you’re going to have to provide the kitties yourself, they push it over the link limit 🙁

katz
11 years ago

Kittens? Kittens!

The tabby is in my lap as we speak.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

Oooooooohhhhhhhawwwwwwwwwwww

WANT

cloudiah
11 years ago

Those blue eyes! My co-worker who is (probably) adopting the calico brings by a picture of her practically every day so that we can coo and squee over how cute she is.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

I so wish we could adopt a kitten! It’s just not possible, though. 🙁

katz
11 years ago

Enjoy the blue eyes while they’re here; they’ll be turning over the next week (except on the white ones).

Cloudiah, thanks so much for finding an adopter for her; I’m glad she’s so excited!

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

One one hand, aww they’re getting adopted and going bye. On the other, cloudiah’s coworker better keep us in pictures!

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
11 years ago

I wonder if little tabby will get emerald green eyes? 🙂

cloudiah
11 years ago

And just to clarify, I say she is “probably” adopting just in case there’s some reason you have to reject her, not because she is in any way wavering. I think it will all work out.

She needs tips on introducing her adult cat to the adorable newcomer. She’s going to have them meet in a neutral space, probably a neighbor’s apartment, so that neither one has a reason to be territorial.

Ack, gotta run to the market. See you all later!

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Cloiduah: does she have a spare room she can put the kitten in for a couple days? We’ve had really great luck doing that for a bit so that new kitty can chill and get used to the place, and the older cats can used to the idea of another cat.

The older cat will probably be way more accepting of the kitten than it would be of another adult.

cloudiah
11 years ago

hellkell, I think she does actually. Good idea. She said something about keeping them apart while she’s not there, until she knows they’re getting along.