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National Review writer: Men and “husky” boys could have prevented the Newtown school shootings

Apparently Charlotte Allen thinks all janitors look like this.
Apparently Charlotte Allen thinks all janitors look like this.

It’s always a little distressing to see manosphere-style dumbassery outside the manosphere. Today’s offender: Charlotte Allen at National Review Online, explaining how the deaths in Newtown are the result of the school’s “feminized setting.” Had the school been filled with manly men (and manly boys), Adam Lanza could have been stopped in his tracks!

No, really, that’s what she says. Except that what she wrote is somehow even more egregious than my sarcastic summary. Read for yourself:

There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K–6 school), all the personnel — the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the “reading specialist” — were female. There didn’t even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanza’s knees.

As everyone knows, janitors with buckets can easily overwhelm adult males firing semiautomatic rifles. That’s why most armies in the world have given up guns, are stocking up on buckets, and have started massive recruiting drives aimed at janitors.

(In fact, there was a male custodian on duty, who (according to one witness) warned students and teachers of the gunman, probably saving lives in the process. It does not appear that any buckets were thrown.)

Oh, Allen gives the women at the school some grudging credit for confronting Lanza and saving lives.

The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, seemed to have performed bravely. According to reports, she activated the school’s public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death. Some of the teachers managed to save all or some of their charges by rushing them into closets or bathrooms.

But they were ladies, and ladies just aren’t made to be heroes.

[I]n general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm. Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak — but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel. Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.

I’m pretty sure that if this had happened they would have been gunned down, and there would be a couple of  former high school football stars and “some of the huskier 12-year-old boys” added to the list of victims. Not even the “huskiest” 12-year-old is any match for a man with a semiautomatic rifle. [EDITED TO ADD: Also, if there were any 12-year-olds on the scene they would have had to have have flunked several years, as the school only goes up to the fourth grade, as several commenters here have pointed out.]

People, even unarmed people, need to fight back against criminals — because usually, no one else will. It took the police 20 minutes to arrive at Sandy Hook.

According to this timeline, a police SWAT team was there ten minutes after the shooting started.

By the time they got there, it was over. Cops and everybody else encourage civilians not to try to defend themselves when they are criminally assaulted. This is stupid advice. There are things you can do. Run is one of them, because most shooters can’t hit a moving target. The other, if you are in a confined space, is throw things at the killer, or try a tackle.

Many students, with the help of teachers, saved themselves by hiding. Some of the students in one classroom tried to run, and were gunned down. Their classmates who stayed hidden survived.

Remember United Flight 93 on 9/11. It was a “flight of heroes” because a bunch of guys on that plane did what they could with what they had. They probably prevented the destruction of the White House or the Capitol.

The hijackers weren’t carrying semiautomatic rifles. And the heroes literally had nothing to lose by attacking them.

Parents of sick children need to be realistic about them. I know at least two sets of fine and devoted parents who have had the misfortune to raise sons who were troubled for genetic reasons beyond anyone’s control. Either of those boys could have been an Adam Lanza. You simply can’t give a non-working, non-school-enrolled 20-year-old man free range of your home, much less your cache of weapons. You have to set boundaries. You have to say, “You can’t live here anymore — you’re an adult, and it’s time for you to be a man. We’ll give you all the support you need, but we won’t be enablers.” Unfortunately, the idea of being an “adult” and a “man” once one has reached physical maturity seems to have faded out of our coddling culture.

Really? Very few mass killers have lived at home with their mothers, but somehow being “adult” and “men” didn’t stop them from killing. It’s good that Allen, without actually knowing any of the details of Adam Lanza’s apparent “sickness” (because at this point none of us do) is able to tell us what would have been best for him.

Appalling.

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pillowinhell
12 years ago

How’s about we don’t abuse children because abusing children is wrong?

Also, what about all those men who came from affluent good family backgrounds hmm? What else can we do with their all ready privileged (insofar as they’ve avoided the soul chewing shit too many people deal with) to make it so they don’t want to kill? Or rape?

timetravellingfool
12 years ago

@ Pecunium- Maybe he was genuinely wondering what his argument was and was asking Nobi for help.

Diogenes The Cynic
Diogenes The Cynic
12 years ago

Cassandra, ok, I see Japan there. Didn’t know they still practiced corporal punishment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_world_by_intentional_homicide_rate.png

And their homicide rate is lower, so it isn’t like people are taking up the slack with knives, or setting other people on fire.

And it was not my argument that child abuse was the cause of Lanza murdering those children (see my reply to Bee) but I just think that with less spankings, we would eventually have adult on the whole who are less violent.

CatBeast
CatBeast
12 years ago

Seconding Shiraz.

pecunium
12 years ago

and now I shower, and head to bed. The flu is still kicking my ass; and I might be more articulate if I hadn’t gone to work today.

Diogenes: Try doing some research. It can’t hurt; and it’s not dishonest.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

And it was not my argument that child abuse was the cause of Lanza murdering those children

Bullfuckingshit. Don’t even try to move those goalposts.

Thirding Shiraz.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
12 years ago

Nobinayamu

You tell me.

This? Does not make you appear intelligent.

I asked you a question, based on your own insistence that not spanking children is a good way to start addressing our country’s issues with mass shootings. In the past, spanking children was incredibly common but we had nowhere near as a many mass shootings.

You acknowledge that this true, correct? Why is it true? Is your theory on the correlation between mass shootings and spankings supported by this evidence?

cloudiah
12 years ago

Wait. Did he just paste that Wiki link from off the top of his head?

clairedammit
clairedammit
12 years ago

Instead of diogenes’ “theories”, can we discuss the article some more? It’s less dumb.

Diogenes The Cynic
Diogenes The Cynic
12 years ago

hellkell

You keep using that phrase. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
12 years ago

Society simply cannot prevent harm. Particularly a society that claims to be a democracy. What society can do is reduce harm. Banning high capacity magazines would dramatically reduce the amount of harm a shooter could do in a target rich environment such as a school.
This isn’t really that hard to grasp.

CatBeast
CatBeast
12 years ago

@Diogenes: You cease to entertain.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

And yeah, just for the record, what a childhood filled with abuse is most likely to result in is a person who is more likely* to abuse their own children than someone whose childhood was abuse-free, not a person who’s likely to shoot up a school.

* And yet, not all child abuse victims go on to abuse others! Because of that whole complex interaction between a person and their environment thing, the fact that people have different personalities, etc.

I also find it weird and interesting that Dio the Dumb assumed that if there was abuse present then it probably came via the parents. When I heard about the story, and the fact that he shot the principle, my first thought was to wonder whether or not he’d been bullied or otherwise abused at that school and picked it as his site for that reason. And then I accepted that I was just speculating and my speculations are not facts. Dio should try that some time.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Diogenes: when you try to say your argument wasn’t A but B, when it clearly was A, that is not only a disingenuous dick move, it’s moving the goalposts. It’s also why no one here likes you. Suck it, chump.

timetravellingfool
12 years ago

Ok, I am feeling a bit bad and I am going to give Dio a logic hug- it’s not that your idea of causing some systemic problems is a bad one, Dio. I think you’re right on, there! I might think the concepts you’re trying to articulate might need a bit more fleshing out, but sure- find ways to make people not want to kill people! That being said, there is a lot of work that needs to go into that particular solution, with no clear and easy plan in mind. While we all sort that out, why not take a break on this whole arming the general populace to the teeth thing we’ve been doing? Because the number of mass murders in the USA is on the rise, and checking that number ought to be number one on a lot of people’s priority list.

Diogenes The Cynic
Diogenes The Cynic
12 years ago

@thebewilderness

So, what if we do that?

It doesn’t address the issue of why our country is so good at creating these kinds of people.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Can we stop calling him Dio? I have way too many fond memories of Ronnie James.

clairedammit
clairedammit
12 years ago

You keep using that phrase. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

You mean “moving the goalposts”? That’s exactly what you’re doing. We point out something you say that makes no sense, and you respond with “Ok, but the point I was making was…” and say something completely different.

timetravellingfool
12 years ago

Haha, if the man/boy is progressing to evidencing his claims, cloudiah, I am willing to give him a pass on earlier boasts about off the top of the head nonsense.

Diogenes The Cynic
Diogenes The Cynic
12 years ago

claire

See my response to Bee

timetravellingfool
12 years ago

I suck at nicknames- degene?

CatBeast
CatBeast
12 years ago

@bewilderness: THIS THIS THIS. As far as I know, guns are quite unregulated in the US of A. Why aren’t they? Who the hell *needs* semi-automatic weapons and countless magazines? Stockpiling for the zombie apocalypse is not an excuse. I’m honestly amazed, after so many shootings, there are little-to-no anti semi-automatic gun regulations, and background/mental health checks are not a priority.

Shiraz
Shiraz
12 years ago

Charlotte’s article, *shakes head* Is “husky” another word for bionic or X-man in her world? I didn’t read the comment thread yet, but I hope other readers point out the obvious in the next day or two. An unarmed husky person against a semi-automatic gun? About as useful as throwing grapes at a mad grizzly bear.

hippodameia8527
hippodameia8527
12 years ago

How about “Degenerate?”

Diogenes The Cynic
Diogenes The Cynic
12 years ago

Philo of Alexandria is ok by me

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