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National Review writer: Men and “husky” boys could have prevented the Newtown school shootings

Apparently Charlotte Allen thinks all janitors look like this.
Apparently Charlotte Allen thinks all janitors look like this.

It’s always a little distressing to see manosphere-style dumbassery outside the manosphere. Today’s offender: Charlotte Allen at National Review Online, explaining how the deaths in Newtown are the result of the school’s “feminized setting.” Had the school been filled with manly men (and manly boys), Adam Lanza could have been stopped in his tracks!

No, really, that’s what she says. Except that what she wrote is somehow even more egregious than my sarcastic summary. Read for yourself:

There was not a single adult male on the school premises when the shooting occurred. In this school of 450 students, a sizeable number of whom were undoubtedly 11- and 12-year-old boys (it was a K–6 school), all the personnel — the teachers, the principal, the assistant principal, the school psychologist, the “reading specialist” — were female. There didn’t even seem to be a male janitor to heave his bucket at Adam Lanza’s knees.

As everyone knows, janitors with buckets can easily overwhelm adult males firing semiautomatic rifles. That’s why most armies in the world have given up guns, are stocking up on buckets, and have started massive recruiting drives aimed at janitors.

(In fact, there was a male custodian on duty, who (according to one witness) warned students and teachers of the gunman, probably saving lives in the process. It does not appear that any buckets were thrown.)

Oh, Allen gives the women at the school some grudging credit for confronting Lanza and saving lives.

The principal, Dawn Hochsprung, seemed to have performed bravely. According to reports, she activated the school’s public-address system and also lunged at Lanza, before he shot her to death. Some of the teachers managed to save all or some of their charges by rushing them into closets or bathrooms.

But they were ladies, and ladies just aren’t made to be heroes.

[I]n general, a feminized setting is a setting in which helpless passivity is the norm. Male aggression can be a good thing, as in protecting the weak — but it has been forced out of the culture of elementary schools and the education schools that train their personnel. Think of what Sandy Hook might have been like if a couple of male teachers who had played high-school football, or even some of the huskier 12-year-old boys, had converged on Lanza.

I’m pretty sure that if this had happened they would have been gunned down, and there would be a couple of  former high school football stars and “some of the huskier 12-year-old boys” added to the list of victims. Not even the “huskiest” 12-year-old is any match for a man with a semiautomatic rifle. [EDITED TO ADD: Also, if there were any 12-year-olds on the scene they would have had to have have flunked several years, as the school only goes up to the fourth grade, as several commenters here have pointed out.]

People, even unarmed people, need to fight back against criminals — because usually, no one else will. It took the police 20 minutes to arrive at Sandy Hook.

According to this timeline, a police SWAT team was there ten minutes after the shooting started.

By the time they got there, it was over. Cops and everybody else encourage civilians not to try to defend themselves when they are criminally assaulted. This is stupid advice. There are things you can do. Run is one of them, because most shooters can’t hit a moving target. The other, if you are in a confined space, is throw things at the killer, or try a tackle.

Many students, with the help of teachers, saved themselves by hiding. Some of the students in one classroom tried to run, and were gunned down. Their classmates who stayed hidden survived.

Remember United Flight 93 on 9/11. It was a “flight of heroes” because a bunch of guys on that plane did what they could with what they had. They probably prevented the destruction of the White House or the Capitol.

The hijackers weren’t carrying semiautomatic rifles. And the heroes literally had nothing to lose by attacking them.

Parents of sick children need to be realistic about them. I know at least two sets of fine and devoted parents who have had the misfortune to raise sons who were troubled for genetic reasons beyond anyone’s control. Either of those boys could have been an Adam Lanza. You simply can’t give a non-working, non-school-enrolled 20-year-old man free range of your home, much less your cache of weapons. You have to set boundaries. You have to say, “You can’t live here anymore — you’re an adult, and it’s time for you to be a man. We’ll give you all the support you need, but we won’t be enablers.” Unfortunately, the idea of being an “adult” and a “man” once one has reached physical maturity seems to have faded out of our coddling culture.

Really? Very few mass killers have lived at home with their mothers, but somehow being “adult” and “men” didn’t stop them from killing. It’s good that Allen, without actually knowing any of the details of Adam Lanza’s apparent “sickness” (because at this point none of us do) is able to tell us what would have been best for him.

Appalling.

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Diogenes The Cynic
Diogenes The Cynic
12 years ago

wordspinner

Thank you!

I couldn’t agree more. I think the way society equates masculinity with capability of doing harm is terrible.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
12 years ago

I think society should address the reasons why someone can grow up to become a spree killer. In my opinion thats a higher goal than taking away access to tools to be one.

You’ve got to be fucking kidding me.

Seriously, Dio, if I gave you $50 would you go away? If you have a paypal account, I’ll do it right now – hand to god.

CatBeast
CatBeast
12 years ago

Cassandra: Basically everything you just said. It’s just a shame some of the media sources in Aus are blaming it for the shootings (point and gawk general populous! We finally found a shooter with ASD!) Makes me balk. Also, U awesome.

Cloudiah: Thanks! I’ll make good use of it. 😀

Dio: ???

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

By all accounts Jeffery Dahmer had an unremarkable childhood. There’s a complex interaction between a child and their environment, and it’s really not as simple as going “OK, this is what all parents should do – now we’ve solved the problem of serial and spree killers”.

Homework assignment, since it came up in the other thread – go read We Need To Talk About Kevin. The academic literature is clearly going to go way over your head, so maybe fiction might help you get some perspective.

pecunium
12 years ago

Your Counter? No. You said that the way to prevent such things was to give people pleasant upbringings. BIn Laden and McVeigh had those.

Your “system” is disproved.

Really you should go back to talking about rape prosecutions. You looked much more informed.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

And my counter to Osama Bin Laden is Charles Manson.

This is not how debating works. If your argument is that it’s social situation A which produces category of people B, then the fact that you can name a person who did grow up in situation A and ended up in category B doesn’t solve the problem of explaining how another person who grew up in completely different circumstances also ended up in category B.

timetravellingfool
12 years ago

Ugh, does dio have an argument?
Sociopathy is bad. (no shit)
Dio- We should try and cure sociopathy. (Why, gee, what a swell idea!)
Dio- We can cure sociopathy by ending all spankings. (Well call the World Psychiatric Association, we have a breakthrough in medicine!! All sociopathic tendencies are caused by spankings!!)
-Hmm, possible flaw- what if the parent doesn’t heed the brilliant advice of Dio and World Psychiatrists and persists in spanking their child.
Dio- We totally could have known he was a sociopath because his friends said he was weird and he didn’t have any friends. (OMFG- that dude has all his bases covered!! Brilliant!! But wait- anyone who might have been described in exactly that fashion when they were in highschool, raise your hands…. Clearly we are a bunch of sociopaths whose parents spanked us. Call the national guard.)

timetravellingfool
12 years ago

@ Dio- there is a lot about society’s perception of masculinity that is harmful- you want to hear more on that subject? You should really try this neato school of thought called feminism.

Diogenes The Cynic
Diogenes The Cynic
12 years ago

pecunium

I don’t google when I have a discussion with someone online because I consider that to be intellectually dishonest. Everything is off the top of my head.

And you know what? I don’t know. Nothing will ever be a panacea. Best we could hope for is going in the right direction. One part of that is not creating violent people. Build a culture that churns out less of these guys.

bee,

D. None of the above

timetravellingfool
12 years ago

Wow, this guy comes up with all this stuff off the top of his head? What a brilliant fellow. I totally agree- nothing more intellectually dishonest than evidencing your claims.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
12 years ago

Everything is off the top of my head.

Clearly.

kobold77
12 years ago

“McVeigh had social issues”

McVeigh had military training and learned a lot of his bomb making techniques (specifically combining racing fuel with ammonium nitrate fertilizer for a bigger explosion) on the gun-show circuit. See, Mike Davis’ “Buda’s Wagon: A Brief History of The Car Bomb” for further details.

You don’t know anything about the guy Diogenes, so it might be smart not to use him as the poster boy for your “social issues” blathering when comparing him to the numerous uniquely American examples of dudes picking up easily available guns and pulling the trigger.

Diogenes The Cynic
Diogenes The Cynic
12 years ago

He had to have something wrong with him to want to kill those people.

pecunium
12 years ago

And you know what? I don’t know. Nothing will ever be a panacea. Best we could hope for is going in the right direction. One part of that is not creating violent people. Build a culture that churns out less of these guys.

You don’t know how it can be done. You don’t know that it will work.

But BY GOD! you know it’s the answer.

Naive, or stupid, or lying through your teeth, or some combination of all of the above.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

I don’t google when I have a discussion with someone online because I consider that to be intellectually dishonest. Everything is off the top of my head.

If we didn’t already know that your only real goal was to win arguments this would have sealed it. Intelligent, thoughtful people who actually want to solve problems don’t approach things that way.

pecunium
12 years ago

He had to have something wrong with him to want to kill those people.

Even if we accept that, arguendo from that it doesn’t follow that, “bad home life as a child” = murderous rampage.

It also doesn’t follow that giving everyone a happy home life as a child will prevent it.

There are very few events like this; and there are millions of unhappy home lives as children.

That ought to tell you your “plan” is nonsense.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
12 years ago

He had to have something wrong with him to want to kill those people.

Please. Stop talking.

timetravellingfool
12 years ago

Dio knows he was a sociopath because he had to be mentally ill to have killed all of those people. Astounding diagnosis, Dio! And right off the top of your head! Why psychiatrists bother with their schooling is beyond me when they could just get their degree from the Dio School of Circular Argumentation!

Diogenes The Cynic
Diogenes The Cynic
12 years ago

pecunium

I said it was a suggestion. Look earlier in the thread where I first mentioned spankings. Its something. And its something that will produce more results than nothing.

I suspect you’re only responding like this because I’m the one who said it.

drst
drst
12 years ago

What you miss is that this person might have just stabbed someone else to death eventually. Sure it would be less dead people, but its not a more acceptable scenario.

You are a horrible human being with absolutely no redeeming qualities at this point. I hope someday you actually come to self awareness and realize exactly what a shitstain you are at this moment and have to live with that knowledge. I hope every time you’re awake at 3am you remember that you just implied that one death was NOT A MORE ACCEPTABLE SCENARIO than twenty dead kindergarteners. In fact, I hope you have kids some day so you can remember that you just said that every fucking day of their lives, every time they look at you.

hippodameia8527
hippodameia8527
12 years ago

I don’t think your arguments come from any of the orifices in your head.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

I go to get Christmas presents and y’all have tenderized my chew toy. Thank you.

Diogenes: you know what those other cultures your simple ass mentioned have that we don’t? STRICT FUCKING GUN CONTROL LAWS.

It ain’t about spanking.

Oh and this?

corporeal punishment

Made me laugh. I’ll just leave you with this:

http://blog.compete.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Antoine-Dodson-Dumb.gif

pecunium
12 years ago

I don’t google when I have a discussion with someone online because I consider that to be intellectually dishonest

That’s foolish. If what you want is to be correct, rather than proud of your knowledge of trivia, then research is your friend.

It’s hard to be correct when you are making it up/relying on memory.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

The best part of the current Diogynes tantrum is that he has no way of knowing whether or not the shooter was spanked as a child.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Diogenes is already intellectually dishonest, I’m not seeing how a Google search is going to hurt him at this point.