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Homophobic A-Throws Other Homophobic A-hole Out of Men’s Rights Mhole ovement for Homophobic A-holery

Another big fight in the manosphere!
Another big fight in the manosphere!

I don’t want to make this blog the A Voice for Men Show, but that little hangout of angry dudes has really been outdoing itself in recent days. Take site founder and chief egomaniac Paul Elam’s post the other day reading the riot act to another Men’s Rights activist for being a homophobic asshole.

Specifically, an Australian bloke named Chris Key, whom Elam describes as “a true misogynist, homophobe and all around asshole who claims to be an MRA.”

Regular readers of this blog may recall Key from a visit he paid to the comments section here recently, lambasting “feminazi dykes and cunts — as well as the mangina losers who were sniffing around for a sympathy fuck” for, among other things, for using “foul, aggressive language.” Yes, there is a teensy bit of irony there.

[Let me just put a trigger warning here for the violently homophobic language in the next couple of quotes from Key.]

Key is indeed a pretty foul excuse for a human being. On his site, Men’s Rights Online, his avatar is an animated gif of a boot, captioned “these boots were made for kicking feminists in the cunt.” In addition to kicking virtual feminists he devotes much of his attention to attacking “fags” and “dykes.” In one recent thread in the subforum devoted to “The Militant Fag/Dyke Agenda,” he offered this bit of wisdom:

I think the death penalty should be assigned to all persons who practice faggotry and dykism. The people who practice that lifestyle are destroying society.

The law system might have decriminalised faggotry, but nature hasn’t. HIV is a stark reminder that nature does not tolerate faggotry

In another comment he went even further. You might ask: how is it possible to go further than that? Here’s how. Responding to another commenter who had suggested that “fags are better off nailed to a fence post,” Key added:

Only problem with nailing fags to a fence post is it might allow one of their contagious diseases to infect a normal Human. The best thing the government can do is kill them and burn their carcasses. Society needs to be protected from these monsters.

Shortly after his visit to Man Boobz, Key stopped in to visit with his comrades over in the comments section of AVFM, where he aroused Elam’s ire by calling one of AVFM’s female followers a “fag enabler.”

And so Elam, who seems to think he’s the Emperor of MRALand, has declared him persona non grata in the Men’s Rights movement.

But that’s a good thing, right? I mean, Key is such a noxious shit he should probably be thrown out of any movement he’s a part of, right? (Except perhaps organizations promoting gay-bashing and “cunt-kicking” in Eastern Australia.) Haven’t I been arguing since, like, forever that Men’s Rightsers who need to get rid of the real haters?

Well, yes. It’s just that there is a eensy weensy teensy tiny bit of hypocrisy in Elam’s moralizing. Because A Voice for Men, in addition to being a misogynist cesspool, is itself overflowing with homophobia and transphobia, much of it coming from Elam himself. Elam’s description of Key as “a true misogynist, homophobe and all around asshole” is a perfect description of himself as well.

Consider: The site’s slur of choice for men who aren’t raging misogynists is, you may recall, “mangina,” an insult that pulls off a veritable trifecta of bigotry, being homophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic all at once. It’s telling that Elam et al can’t really think of a worse insult than to suggest that men they don’t like are effeminate not-quite-men with feminized genitalia. (Elam says he’s been trying to move away from this term, which I guess he thinks is too obvious in its bigotry, but you’d hardly know it from looking at the number of articles featuring the slur on his site.)

As for homophobia, you may recall the bizarre “humorous” post in which he imagined me and a rather outspoken YouTube critic of MRAs having sex:

I am not in the least bit homophobic, but if Hannibal Barca ever takes refuge in the loving arms of David Futrelle, I might have to reconsider. I will spare you any attempts to construct a visual. I’m heartless at times, but not sadistic. …

[I]f Barca and Futrelle took their shirts off and kissed, would it be lesbian porn? Sorry, I should have issued a trigger warning.

Yeah, that’s not in the least bit homophobic.

But Elam’s homophobia towards gay men (or straight men he wants to insult by calling them gay and/or lesbian) seems to be somewhat tempered, as homophobia goes, largely because gay men are, in fact, men. Indeed, while Elam’s ideas about gay men and gay activism are all kinds of fucked up, the main reason for this seems to be his intense misogyny rather than a hatred of gay male sexuality. Several gay men write for the site.

AVFM is a bit less friendly towards lesbians – who are, as you know, not only gay but women.

For months, AVFM featured a lesbian-bashing video by far-right YouTube jackass Bernard Chapin in its sidebar, with this description, presumably written by Elam:

Bernard’s on a roll here with this one. And you will be rolling to [sic] as he delivers another thorough fisking, Inferno style.

Fun fact: Chapin’s favorite term for lesbians is “lesbobo,” with one more “bo” than the standard slur “lesbo.”

Elam is now involved in some sort of feud with Chapin, and the video is down. Elam apparently loved Chapin’s anti-“lesbobo” videos, but didn’t like him criticizing AVFM, or imitating him in one of his trademark unfunny funny voices.

And then of course was this little bit of “humor” from regular commenter Andybob, which Elam decided was so brilliant it needed to be immortalized in a post:

Lesbians barged into gay men’s spaces in droves jabbing their stubby fingers at everyone. Predictably, they proceeded to boss everyone around, making the gay rights movement about them. Note that homosexuality was a criminal offence for MEN ONLY. Lesbianism was never against the law. They had jackshit to whinge about, but they made gay rights about them anyway, and used it as a propaganda vehicle to support feminism.

Notice that GLTT became LGTT? How’s that for petty entitlement? Gay men should have fought back, but, to our everlasting shame, we didn’t. The only gay men who remained in GLTT were slimy political types seeking personal aggrandizement, zeta poodle carriers and moronic party boys who don’t give a shit about anything except the pattern on the umbrella in their drinks. Of course, the MSM focus entirely on this noisy, spangled disco version of real gay men like me: men who know exactly how greedy, relentless and downright shady those lezziefems are and don’t trust them one iota.

Yep, that’s right, Andybob is a gay man who hates lesbians and, it seems, most other gay men.

If you search through the AVFM archives, you will find lesbians appearing in its posts largely as negative examples – allies of evil feminists, perpetrators of domestic violence, destroyers of the family. In some cases, as in this post from YouTube MRA Barbarossaaaa, lesbian-bashing is basically the cherry on top of the misogyny pie:

Sure, not all women are fat lesbian man haters that pen scum manifestos on their free time. However, how many women have trapped men via child support and alimony; a form of legalized slavery?

But in other case lesbians are a main course. Take this, from a contributor known only as Dusty:

Feminists are on a campaign against heterosexuality, because they see it as the core value of the patriarchy.  Not only do they constantly attack heterosexuality in the media and the classroom, but they constantly exalt homosexuality- particularly lesbianism.  Most feminists are lesbians, so by pushing lesbianism onto heterosexual women, feminists simultaneously discourage marriage and open more avenues for female companionship.  They praise male homosexuality, because they see it as a subversion of patriarchal, white, heterosexual, male values (whatever those are).  Homosexuals are seen as a safe alternative to threatening, violent, predatory, heterosexual men, and are thus “honorary women.”  Here, feminists prey on the occasional alienation that gay men feel at the hands of heterosexual men who have been raised to think that homosexuality is immoral or even pathological.  However, this support is only in theory, and feminist love is entirely conditional.  If a homosexual chooses to live his life as a proud man rather than a feminist lapdog, feminists have no use for him and quietly reject him.

Well, that’s a clusterfuck of terrible right there.

As bad as all this is, it really doesn’t hold a candle to Elam’s virulent transphobia, most evident in his bizarre attack against sociologist and Men’s Studies scholar Raewyn Connell, a trans woman. In a long and bizarre rant posted on Men’s News Daily, which he used to edit, Elam attacked Connell for having “the masculinity cut from his body like a malignant tumor.”

Demonstrating both hatred and ignorance, Elam suggested that Connell’s very existence as a trans woman

calls on us at the very least to question the objectivity of her work, as well as the motivations behind it.

Is it possible that an individual so hated the sex they were born with that it sparked a life long academic quest to deconstruct it into something that did not disgust them? Is it possible that the fruits of those efforts were easily embraced by others who may have had issues of their own with traditional masculinity? Not intellectual issues, but intrapersonal ones. …

One thing is certain. Raewyn Connell’s view of masculinity is not a product of scholarly pursuit, but of mental illness; a pathological hatred of a particular sex, in this case male. And when that is true of the preeminent authority in a field of study with such far reaching sociological ramifications, then it is time to make a change.

Let us hope that the idea of male studies cannot be cut off as easily as an unwanted penis.

So, yeah.  If Elam really wants to free the good ship Men’s Rights Movement of bigotry, he should probably throw himself and his fellow AVFM sailors overboard immediately.

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Evito
Evito
12 years ago

Wow…just wow.

Awesome post, David…but the entire thing makes my brain die. Pots and kettles are the only other things that I see engaging in this sort of behavior.

Just as an aside, I’ve only known one transgender person my whole life (male to female), but she didn’t seem to “hate” the male sex…it simply wasn’t HER. In the history of ever, has anyone gotten a sex change due to all out hatred of that sex…instead of, oh I don’t know, because it feels wrong to them?

Judging by the fact Elam thinks so, I’d have to say it’s probably not…

clairedammit
clairedammit
12 years ago

Evito, yeah, I’ve only know one trans person in my life too (although I’ve met a few.) She didn’t hate men either, not even a little bit.

I think these guys have so much hate in them that they assume everyone else does too.

McKenzie
McKenzie
12 years ago

…ugh, how bad is it that when I read the transphobic rant from Male Luap my first thought was “well at least he didn’t misgender her”?

I mean I know the answer and it’s that it’s really terrible that I’m okay to settle for that :C

Tina
Tina
12 years ago

I’m still so new to all of this that I can’t help but be gut-level disgusted by it.

McKenzie
McKenzie
12 years ago

Also I don’t hate men at all but I have being seen as male in the same way that you’d hate being repeatedly expected to, I don’t know, play football with them all the time and they get you tickets to see football matches and get you to join their fantasy football league when all you want to do is collect pokemon cards, it doesn’t mean you hate football, you just hate it being forced on you. Except much worse than that obviously.

McKenzie
McKenzie
12 years ago

“they” in this case being acquaintances go go unclear editing

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
12 years ago

Hate is often based on what one fears, so this bunch is a very fearful lot. But, of course, they don’t see anything is wrong with *them*.

cloudiah
12 years ago

Ack, sometimes they’re just too hateful to mock.

And seriously, just covering AVfM could easily become a full-time job. Their most recent 5400-word post, by codebuster, Godwins in the very first sentence, and the last; cites The Daily Fail and other similar sources; posits that all rock groupies have rape fantasies; and argues that even Hitler, Stalin, and members of the KKK loved kids more than feminists.

Commenters love it, of course.

Some Gal Not Bored At All
Some Gal Not Bored At All
12 years ago

Wow. One the transphobia bit, it seems like these guys and the most hated feminist in all of ever might find some common ground.

(I’m talking about Dworkin and it is the teensiest bit unfair to what she actually said, but only the teensiest bit so I’m okay with it.)

Some Gal Not Bored At All
Some Gal Not Bored At All
12 years ago

*On not one (that word is giving me more trouble today).

longshan gui
longshan gui
12 years ago

David, you are a very good journalist, and your ongoing dissection of the hate-oriented site a voice for men and its dreadful leader is important journalistic work. They are tireless in their quest to intensify prejudice and violence in the world. It is such a shame that real problems of men have been redefined into this noxious philosophy.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

Holy shit, that “Thomas Ball Fire Symphony” article that’s linked is really a pile of guano.

The comments are outstanding, too. I almost cannot read a single comment without seeing something ridiculous and misogynistic in some way or another:

Irony: the bubble bath from which the feminist dispenses her condemnations of men was built by men — from trench to faucet.

Bubble baths: ¡Misandry!

Or take this exchange in its entirety:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. All ancient writings have warned us that when in Eden (paradise), the woman will eat from the tree of knowledge and it fucks up the garden.

It was a warning! I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there were civilizations well before any we know of that perished in the same cycle we are in. Any civilization that loses its sexual mores is doomed to fall below it’s highest point.

[the reply:]

The garden of Eden story is a great red pill but I prefer the story of Samson. Samson was the strongest man that ever lived. His enemies couldn’t destroy him so they had to use a female to get close to him and learn his weakness. Samson’s enemies (the Philistines) used Delilah to break Samson the same way the elites and Jewish bankers used feminism to destroy the nuclear family. That story is one of the best red pills ever written for men and it teaches you first and foremost that it is women’s treachery that leads to the downfall of great men. You have to be strong and smart enough to look past womens’ sex appeal, their stupid minds games and their juvenile theatrics. In the end, it will save your life and your freedom.

Somebody should really do a systematic analysis of what the manospherians use “red pill.” So far it seems to translate to “women are shit,” in much the same way that their usage of “accountability” (see: a thing which “princess cupcakes,” because all women are spoiled, never encounter) simply means arbitrary punishment dispensed by men.

Sweet Dreams 893
Sweet Dreams 893
12 years ago

“And so Elam, who seems to think he’s the Emperor of MRALand, has declared him persona non grata in the Men’s Rights movement.”

I was actually happy to see this post where Paul Elam has appointed himself as the leader of the MRM with the power to decide who is or is not in it. His wording in the post also implies that his blog IS THE MRM. I’ve been looking and haven’t seen any objections to Elam putting himself out there as the head of the MRM so I’m figuring his power-mongering stands and because of this, the MRM will be seen for the misogynist sinkhole it truly is much faster because he is so aggressive. Thumbs up from me for this Elam post!

cloudiah
12 years ago

“accountability” … simply means arbitrary punishment dispensed by men.

+1

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

“what the manospherians mean when they use,” I shoulda typed but didn’t.

Some Gal Not Bored At All
Some Gal Not Bored At All
12 years ago

Wait…Jewish bankers destroyed the nuclear family? o.O

halophilic
halophilic
12 years ago

Thanks for showing me that piece from Paul Elam. It’s enlightening.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
12 years ago

Don’t you love the use of Bible fables written by men, for men, in an intensely patriarchal society, as some sort of PROOF that women are evil? Morons.

McKenzie
McKenzie
12 years ago

Kitteh: I read your last word as “Mormons” to start with. I was confuzed and yet at the same time it made complete sense.

Shadow
Shadow
12 years ago

Funny. To me the Samson moral was always “Don’t think with your dick”

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
12 years ago

Wait…Jewish bankers destroyed the nuclear family?

Yeah. I believe it was called “Operation Opera.”

freitag235
freitag235
12 years ago

You are right. Since the only purpose of females is to make and raise good babies for men, lezies are a total waste of carbon and energy. And fags are better off nailed to a fence post.

is from this guy who once had his own blog that is one of the worst piles of misogynistic shit I’ve ever run across. The blog is still there at bobstruth[dot]blogspot[dot]com if anyone is feeling especially masochistic. (I refuse to link to it directly.) The archives are unbelievable. Trigger Warning for anything you find upsetting.

Not kidding. He’s that bad. How nice that he’s found a comfortable place to spew his bile.

I need a kitten now. This one will do.

Carleyblue
Carleyblue
12 years ago

Elam is just so full of righteous rage, isn’t he? He really sees himself as a noble crusader for truth and justice instead of, well… a scary and somewhat amusing little person best left on the internet.

I’m aslo wondering where that picture is from. Amateur boxing match?

cloudiah
12 years ago

Here is a lovely photo of a chameleon.

Also, if you need a laugh, click on my name — the latest post features some posters by Tulgey Logger! (What cloudiah does on her lunch break.)

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

I love it when PaulE gets into slapfights with other pieces of shit. It’s a race to the bottom between total soulless assholes.

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