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[TRIGGER WARNING; UPDATED] A Voice for Men commenter claims that the Newtown shooting is evidence of the oppression of men

Men’s Rights activists and others in the manosphere often complain that it’s unfair to link their movement to killers like the virulent antifeminist mass murderers Marc Lepine and Anders Breivik, even though the antifeminist, anti-woman ideology of these killers is oftem indistinguishable from MRA thought.

But the plain fact is that they make the links themselves. Whenever there is some sort of mass killing by someone who is driven at least in part by the hatred of women, it seems like it’s only a matter of time before some MRA steps up to, if not explicitly endorse the killer, at least suggest some sort of sympathy or empathy with him and/or to suggest that the killing in some way is an understandable or justifiable or even praiseworthy reaction to the the alleged oppression of men.

This time it seems to have happened with record speed. Over on the A Voice for Men forum, one commenter, GregA, compares the mass killer in Newtown today — whose motives are still completely unknown — with oppressed people rising up against tyranny in the Middle East:

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So far the only reply he’s gotten challenges this odious comparison, so that’s a tiny bit comforting.

Naturally, the MRAs will say that this commenter is some sort of feminist troll. But he’s made dozens of comments on the AVFM forums that are standard-issue MRA stuff – he seems to be a bit obsessed with the notion that feminist commenters online are being paid for commenting – and his comments in the past (at least those that I looked at) seem to have been generally well-received there.

EDITED TO ADD: If you would like to discuss the Newton shootings without having to think about this horrible comment of GregA’s, I’ve set up a separate no-trolls, no MRAs, thread for that.

EDITED TO ADD MORE: Meanwhile, over on A Voice for Men itself, one of the first commenters in a thread on the subject blames the shootings on, you guessed it, misandry:

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Meanwhile, AVFM “managing editor” Dean Esmay complains that feminists “will find some way or other to blame us in specific for this.” In case Esmay is reading this, I am not blaming the Men’s Rights movement for this shooting, mainly because we have absolutely no idea what motivated the shooter. What I am doing is pointing out that someone on AVFM’s own forum, someone who has previously posted there extensively, is comparing this murderer of children to some kind of freedom fighter, and another in the very thread you are posting in has decided (based on absolutely nothing) that “misandry” is to blame.

You may also recall the numerous comments from MRAs justifying or at least excusing, the Seal Beach shooter.

Here are some more MRA comments on the Seal Beach murders which I chose not to post at the time. These are from A Voice for Men. (In the original thread they weren’t next to one another; there’s more horrible stuff in the thread besides these two comments.)

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Are these guys “feminist trolls?” No. They are both long-time commenters at AVFM.

But again, pointing out these horrible comments is not the same as blaming the MRM for that shooting, or for the shooting today.

In the case of Lepine and Breivik, people linked them to MRAs because they had (or in the case of Breivik still has) virulently anti-feminist worldviews virtually identical with much of the stuff posted regularly on Men’s Rights sites, and other “manosphere” sties generally.

Presumably we will learn more about this shooter’s motivations, and then we can decide if anyone besides the shooter himself is to blame.

EDITED TO ADD ONCE MORE: Elam has now shut down the thread on A Voice for Men; as I write this the thread on the A Voice for Men forum is still up. I suggest you take a look at it and make screenshots. Elam says it’s because I’m “using comments from the thread in order to push his lies.” It’s not clear how quoting his followers (in full, without edits) is a “lie.” Apparently he’s unwilling to let his followers continue to post comments because, we can only assume, he knows they will say more horrific things, and people outside the AVFM cult might see what those inside it actually think.

Not, at this point, that there’s much doubt about what they think.

EDITED TO ADD STILL MORE: Meanwhile, over on The Spearhead:

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As most of the readers here will know, the shooter was 20 years old, wasn’t a father and the shooting had nothing to do with any custody battle.

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The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

The Age has reproduced an article by Petula Dvorak in the Washington Post. Worth reading, I think.

lowquacks
lowquacks
12 years ago

@Dvärghundspossen

The other word you might have been reaching for is “pistol”, which is less obvious.

lowquacks
lowquacks
12 years ago

Also, given that Sweden and Christmas are vaguely relevant here, I’d like to thank the Swedes for the general tastiness of julmust! Always been a fan of unusual soft drinks and it’s a real favourite when I can find it.

talacaris
12 years ago

Which also is bottled each easter as påskmust. The labels on the bottles is different, though.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

What is this fabulous Swedish beverage you speak of? And do they sell it at IKEA?

lowquacks
lowquacks
12 years ago

It’s a vaguely beery-tasting creaming-sodaalike, I guess. Looks like Coca-Cola or similar, except with a ruby-red tinge under light. IKEA’s the only place you can get it here.

scarlettpipistrelle
12 years ago

We have a local independent grocery that carries Scandinavian goodies. The lady told me the lingonberry harvest failed this year.

katz
12 years ago

AVfM has been eclipsed for the title of biggest post-tragedy asshole. By Brian Fisher, of course.

katz
12 years ago

Sorry, Bryan Fischer. I can’t spell.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

What a lousy fucking creep. Honestly – they present the idea of a god who is out-and-out evil, and then wonder why church attendences are falling?

lowquacks
lowquacks
12 years ago

The thing is: the shooter attended a Catholic elementary school. There was almost surely prayer in his school environment growing up. Either this is a case of people trying to distract from gun control arguments and thinking “hmm, schools – prayer in schools! We haven’t brought that up in a bit!”, or the implication is that the tragedy wasn’t the shooter doing the actual shooting but God not protecting the kids, which doesn’t really sound very God-glorifying.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

If the God that those people worship exists he’s a real asshole.

Brain bleach – belligerent cat, patient dog.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Heheh I think kitteh was saying “I just want to sit close, not have my face covered in drool!”

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

More brain bleach: a pushycat.

http://youtu.be/8t28BrsZeuM

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

I have a pushycat. That’s the only reason I got out of bed today despite my transformation into a snot factory – she kept bugging me.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

She knows what’s best for you! Really!

… Whaddya mean, getting up and feeding her isn’t what’s best for you?

Dvärghundspossen
12 years ago

Yes, julmust… Coca cola has been campaigning for ages here to make their drink the Christmas drink of choice, but I don’t think they’re every gonna replace julmust.

BigMomma
BigMomma
12 years ago

Scotland has Irn Bru as its favourite sugary drink rather than coke. it’s an interesting flavour.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

It’s hard to describe irn bru, isn’t it? I feel like the color is part of how you perceive the flavor too, and if they made it clear it might not be as good.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Irn Bru got a (derogatory) mention in New Tricks the other night. And I love the Lonely Planet comment on it: “Definitely an acquired taste is the virulent orange-coloured fizzy drink, Irn-Bru; it’s 100% sugar with some pretty weird flavouring.”

I stuck to tea and coffee. 😛

kysokisaen
12 years ago

IKEA’s the only place you can get it here.

A friend of mine was assigned the task of turning crappy wine into drinkable mulled wine this holiday. For some reason he was talking about going to Ikea to get grog as a potential ingredient. I either talked him out of it or he was screwing with me the whole time.

thenatfantastic
12 years ago

We’re having a party on Friday which is going to involve mulled Buckfast. I think BigMomma and CassandraSays will understand my trepidation.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
12 years ago

When I think of Christmas drinks, I think of eggnog. I buy a bottle of Jim Beam eggnog every year to share with my family. You can’t get drunk on it, because it’s too rich and filling. I think it’s a good drink when you have a cold, too, because whiskey is good for colds.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
12 years ago

Why would you mull Buckfast? Is it a survival of the fittest type experiment to see which of the guests die?