Because the post I just put up on the Newtown shooting is so troubling and disturbing, I am setting up this separate thread so people can discuss the shooting without having to deal with or think about MRAs.
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Maybe the kitten, and I don’t understand your deeply libertarian us response as we’re just Aussies. However, your libertarian stuff should stop at the boarder of the golden rule.
That was directed to Jeff of course.
If they outlaw guns in America tomorrow, I will be glad. But all that will accomplish is that law abiding citizens would not have guns, but the criminal element in society would.
“But all that will accomplish is that law abiding citizens would not have guns, but the criminal element in society would.”
Only until those guns either get lost, ruined or confiscated…or simply run out of ammo. A gun without ammo is about as dangerous as a hammer — can still clock someone upside the head with it, but can’t go after 20+ targets/victims at once.
So while the first few options might take awhile, consider the ammo problem.
Jeff one difference with drug or alcohol liberalisation, is that if I buy drugs or alcohol I’m buying them to put in my body. If I buy a gun and bullets they are only to tear apart someone or something else’s body.
Not that I have mod-power or anything, but Jeff? Could you take this to the other thread? For one, we’re having a very similar conversation other there, and for two, this one was supposed to be less confrontational than that one.
“Only until those guns either get lost, ruined or confiscated…or simply run out of ammo. A gun without ammo is about as dangerous as a hammer”
Unlike Australia, America has borders with 2 other countries, Canada and Mexico. So instead of criminals going to the corner to buy crack, they will be buying a box of 9mm ammo.
See my point?
Actually that’s a good point. Jeff, this thread is off-limits to the kind of crap you’re pulling. Take it to the other thread.
Yeah, I’m just going to reply to that over there.
I thought I was being very polite and unconfrontational.
I think you should send a post to “Yoyo”
Jeff, take it to the other thread, or perhaps another site. This isn’t the place for it. You’re going on moderation.
Or your self.
It’s not the thread for this sort of discussion, period.
Jeff, you’re new here, but when I’m being confrontational you’ll know it. Pretty sure Cassandra’s seen me go off on an obvious troll (hell, check the 5 page glossary troll for an example).
In any case, this is not the thread for the sort of questions you are asking. Perhaps I should’ve taken it to the other thread sooner though.
David this is completely OT but some of the top set of ads have taken to being the sort that have sound, and idk if you can do anything about it or not, but it’s rather annoying. Sorry if this is old news and came up while I was on haitus!
Jeff , I’m not attacking you at all. Just strongly disagree with the nialistic argument, esp today.
@Jeff, my point re alcohol and drugs is that is not an adequate analogy. People are not physically addicted to guns so the compulsion to illegally acquire them will be less. And having lived in several countries where guns are heavily restricted, there is a lower gun crime rate and a different psychology towards gun ownership. I also tend to think that it is quite a different crime to shoot someone and take to a hammer and bludgeon them.
shit, you go away to a school Christmas Carol concert (which I found very moving in light of all of this. I looked around at all the families and was simultaneously so happy to be there, and also so saddened) and you miss all the fun and make an irrelevant comment.
Somtimes I really wonder about that vocal conservative minority – to them abortion is murder but somebody shooting children once they’re old enough to attend schools is exercising his inalienable right to gun-ownership. I guess you gotta keep the priorities straight and stay true to the politics when it comes to protecting children’s lifes and well-being.
Kakanian, I’ve already seen a video of some guy (Fischer? I don’t want to look it up again) saying that the reason this happened is because Christian prayer isn’t mandatory in schools. Guy didn’t even bat an eyelid at 20 infants being murdered.
“You can’t effect mass murder with a Chinese throwing star.” Weaver from ER (truly one of the great minds of my generation)
Also, heroic teachers:
http://stateofmind13.com/2012/12/15/the-heroes-of-sandy-hook-elementary/
If this comment is misplaced please direct me to an appropriate place. Like a lot of people I’m wondering about the shooter’s motivation. I’ve read about his personality, simply put he was a nerd. Not any special kind of nerd (autistic or otherwise suggested), just your regular smart and withdrawn nerd type. There are millions of nerds that get along with life without mass murdering so I can’t see his personality as the defining factor. At the most, it would have to be mixed with something else. His mother was the nurturing type it appears. The only off point would be her affection for collecting guns. He was a young adult, I believe we can assume still coping with his fathers separation. Could all these elements put together speel disaster? What do you guys think?
And we must discuss his modus operandi. He planned his attack in advance and wanted to maximize killing hits, I’ll argument why. Kindergartens don’t have the mindset to properly run or evade such an attack and are slower compared to teenagers and adults. The guns were purchased by his mother (Connecticut gun control would not permit him to purchase himself) but he must have bought the miitary outfit and bulletproof vest he wore himself. That’s advanced preparation. He kills his mother first (mainly to get the guns but there must be other reasons). He then proceeds to the principal’s office to kill her (BIG why on this one). Then proceeds to the classrooms where he does the rest. Why did he go for the principal at that point in time?
Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee blamed the shooting on taking prayer out of schools. I’m sure some more teavangelicals have said the same thing, too. That’s their solution to all social problems, just make students pray.
One of my first coherent thoughts after hearing about the shooting was exactly that – that religious-rights would start up on how this was because no prayer in schools ( or because gays/abortion/war on xmas, etc). What they never seem to grasp is that this sort of thing doesn’t happen/rarely happens in other countries who also do not have prayer in schools. That sort of thinking would involve logic, and an awareness of other countries, I suppose.