When confronted with the simple fact that men hold the overwhelming majority of positions of power in the world – in government, business, culture, and pretty much everything else – MRAs like to pretend that the actual gender of those in power makes no difference because, well, the men in power are probably a bunch of manginas doing the dirty work of the women who really run the world. Or something like that.
Indeed, some MRAs have even managed to convince themselves that the very basic historical and sociological fact that men in power, by and large, tend to represent men’s interests more than women’s interests is some sort of locical fallacy – something that they’ve labeled “The Frontman Fallacy.”
Now A Voice for Men contributor and YouTube videoblogger TyphonBlue has done these guys one better in terms of sheer antifeminist loopiness. In the comments on one of the Warren Farrell protest videos I recently wrote about, she argues that men in power don’t really push male interests because … they probably don’t even think of themselves as men.
Here she is, writing under her other nom-de-net Genderratic:
I don’t even know what to say to this. I mean, WHAT?!
PROTIP: You’re not going to convince anyone you’re a great ally of trans* people if you refer to them as “it.”
True story: directly on the beach made it into my NaNoNovel. The character saying it is the MC’s girlfriend. They do end up spending some time in a beachhouse.
I can’t fit “spell-checking Mein Kampf” in because it is secondary world fantasy.
I’m fairly sure she didn’t ask about our pronouns because we are all of us, even David, evil cis women.
It’s like she didn’t even know about the ferrets.
@wordsp1nner, ooh, I have nano envy. My story isn’t anywhere near the beach. Hmmmm. Still have 22k to go… I’m sure I can fit it in.
@pallygirl
Thank you.
And it’s okay. I’m not working today so 8:30 AM isn’t too early for a drink.
After this thread I do need it.
Also; thank you David.
Fibinachi, that was kind of you, I thought, to point out her manipulative response to me. It was no more than I expected.
I knew you made up the page numbers because I know that book very well.
No more than I expected from her. Not from you. Tired now and going to bed before I confuse myself more than I have already.
The jump from “wouldn’t it have been a good idea to explain what you need from people?” to “YOU OWE ME” was also rather dramatic.
Fibinachi, I knew the second you referenced Why Does He Do That? that Valerie would accuse you of misgendering her. It was a very enlightening example of someone arguing in bad faith.
Good night (or day) to all.
To me the most dramatic jump was from “the answer is 42” (that came from people making fun of incomprehensible writing style) to “42, by the way, is also the number of states in which Planned Parenthood will not provide HRT to trans people under any treatment regime.”
If Planned Parenthood was the most important thing to talk about; why not start with that?
What, did she just know 42 will be mentioned and was waiting for that?
[reads other threads]
Argh. At least the troll’s posts were short, if frequently incomprehensible. Having been subjected to two teel deers about the *real* meaning of ‘hot’ on top of the troll in this thread, I’m going to bed.
Sleep is better than alcohol for melted brains.
*that should be “To me the most dramatic jump to me was”*
… okay I can’t English now.
That, also, was rather boggling.
I’m confused by why Planned Parenthood would be a central issue for someone who lives in Canada.
Isn’t GWW into the draft, which is also American as opposed to Canadian?
Why are they so worried? Didn’t the Canadians give the Americans an arse-kicking the last time they were doing something war-y against each other?
Yes, they did (as Benton Fraser pointed out in Due South). 😀
David, I’m glad you stepped in, because I was about to spam the links to Catherine’s comments until Valerie fucking read them and apologized. Valerie, if you’re still reading, fuck off.
The mockery in this thread was amazing, by the way! TIL that I am a butterfly on a flower. Also that I’m responsible for things that some feminists did and other feminists didn’t do six years before I was even conceived. Damn.
Oh, also, not buying that she was able to read every post she could interpret as misgendering her or transphobic, and managed to catch the posts asking her to apologize, but somehow missed the posts by Catherine herself. Valerie, you intentionally and deliberately ignored them. Asshole.
Hmmm. I know a few Native American activists who would disagree. Forced assimilation sure seems to be part of the genocide playbook – if you eliminate their culture and make them just like you, doesn’t it amount to the same thing?
http://youtu.be/o7jlFZhprU4
As for Valerie, I like forward to hearing about her March on Ottawa to demand better treatment of First Nations peoples, because her ancestors stole their land and destroyed their lifeways and SHE. OWES.
Maybe she can join the call for justice on behalf of raped and missing First Nations women, her bein such a superior feminist and all.
Would it be a bad idea to hold my breath while I wait?
not precisely. what happens with native peoples (in america and elsewhere) counts as genocide when the objective is to stop a people from being a people and violence is used to accomplish that. violence has always been part of forcible assimilation. if people assimilate because they think the dominant culture is cool, that’s not genocide. that’s also not what forcible assimilation entails.
Head scratching. Where exactly did Emilygoddess mention that NA activists think the dominant culture is cool?
Is this one of those miscommunication things?
must be, because i thought i was saying that forced assimilation is violent, because: forced, and therefore genocide can be an appropriate term.
It’s the ‘not precisely’, which I read as arguing against forcible assimilation being used as part of the ongoing attempt to wipe out Native Americans and their cultures.
My bad.
“not precisely” = what happens with native peoples is not precisely the same thing as “suppressing their culture.” that’s part of it, but there is more to forcible assimilation than “your culture sucks, don’t do that anymore.” there is also violence, including murder.