When confronted with the simple fact that men hold the overwhelming majority of positions of power in the world – in government, business, culture, and pretty much everything else – MRAs like to pretend that the actual gender of those in power makes no difference because, well, the men in power are probably a bunch of manginas doing the dirty work of the women who really run the world. Or something like that.
Indeed, some MRAs have even managed to convince themselves that the very basic historical and sociological fact that men in power, by and large, tend to represent men’s interests more than women’s interests is some sort of locical fallacy – something that they’ve labeled “The Frontman Fallacy.”
Now A Voice for Men contributor and YouTube videoblogger TyphonBlue has done these guys one better in terms of sheer antifeminist loopiness. In the comments on one of the Warren Farrell protest videos I recently wrote about, she argues that men in power don’t really push male interests because … they probably don’t even think of themselves as men.
Here she is, writing under her other nom-de-net Genderratic:
I don’t even know what to say to this. I mean, WHAT?!
PROTIP: You’re not going to convince anyone you’re a great ally of trans* people if you refer to them as “it.”
Wait, Fibi just wrote Why Does He Do That (with the aid of his time machine)? Damn, kid, I’m impressed.
Everybody (regardless of where they live) should go protest Planned Parenthood right now! If they aren’t getting on a plane and doing it this very moment: they are doing the fight the wrong way.
Because that is easy.
… but using control + f is hard.
/s
Mwahahahahaha.
I mean, words mean things. Discrimination is horrible but it’s not genocide. Genocide has a very specific meaning.
Emailed David and the mods.
I’m starting to think you don’t know how to not be disingenuous and converse with others in a decent manner. I hope you’re just a champion troll and are actually capable of not twisting the shit out of every word someone says to you, just for humanity’s sake.
Why would I invent things just to insult someone? You’ve got that niche well in hand.
http://www.amazon.com/Why-Does-He-That-Controlling/dp/0425191656
Now see, here you’re setting up a Conspiracy Mindset where you point out how the whole rest of the world is being bad mean wrong to poor little you, who is only fighting for Truth Justice And Right!
( p. 127 )
It’s interesting that you combined it with
though, because there you’re changing history about who rode in on which horses and where, while alsos taking out this commentariat as your grounds and us as the evil bad commentators invading your turf.
I think that’s page 130 or something?
Anyhow, I know that just plain old lying is definitively also true, because all the results did show up on that same last page. Catherine collected it into a single comment. Just for you.
Interesting how you’re combining all this with a typical divide and segregate, by setting out bad people whoose opinions are wrong and to be disrespected, and righteous people like yourself who get to arbitrate what is bad or not. And also how us who are flawed are clearly both hypocritical, evil, mean and irredeemably evil, despite you somehow still needing our help, allyship, assistence, support and validation.
Page 37.
Please try to be more of an abusive asshole. The case study is fascinating.
Which thread Robin was the Robin Morgan discussion in?
Fuck, I need alcohol now too.
How do drive a dozen commenters to drink in a few easy steps!
I think I can guess the next one by the way! By pointing out that there’s a distinct pattern to the your interactions Valerie, and that this pattern can be mapped on severely abusive tactics, you’re going to call me a transmisogynist because the book I happen to be qouting today contains a “men” and a “he” in the title.
That’s the moral onus claim, wherein other sources of information and knowledge become tained by virtue of A) not being the abusers (=”You”) and B) having done some evil that that invalidates all of it, everything, the entire lot, and thus allowing you to safely ignore the entire thing and also make me a bad person for even bringing it up in the fun place.
Isn’t learning fun?
Oy. Valerie, I don’t even know where to start here. Even aside from the passive-agressiveness, the word salad, the endless accusations and demands, there’s no point in having a discussion with you about anything if you’re going to misrepresent what the others here are saying so completely and so disingenuosly. Find somewhere else to vent.
I’ve already had alcohol. IT DOESN’T HELP.
Thanks David.
Sorry Catherine. 🙁
@ Fibi
What fun place? There is no fun place here. This is the thread where fun goes to die. Not even booze helps.
Yeah, that’s not genocide. I’m half-Latvian and outraged by the Soviet’s Russification of Latvia, but I also know suppressing the culture of a subjugated people isn’t genocide. You have to actually kill people for that.
Woooh! Victory absinth for all. Thank you David!
I’m sad we didn’t get to page 67 though:
This is masterclass work. Look! It denigrates our percieved opinion, while affirming the rationality and reasonable nature of the abuser, while setting out that their anticts of rage and wrath aren’t rage and wrath but important instructive examples that will teach us something about our lesser selves, a job only possibly be being established as a moral authority that must “remind us” of our actual feelings, perceptions and opinions.
I could write a fucking dissertation on that paragraph.
It’s beautiful. It’s like conversational evil akidio.
These are totally going to be canon from now on:
– spell-checked Mein Kampf.
– Fibinachi is, in fact, Lundy Bancroft!!!!
– and where were YOU 34 years ago???!?!
Oh, and Lundy Bancroft’s book is about the behavior of male abusers. But the patterns of behavior he writes about also apply to female abusers. Fibinachi’s point was that the way you misrepresent other people in this discussion is similar to the way some abusers behave. It wasn’t “making up a book” in order to misgender you.
My people almost completely lost their language under English occupation. I don’t know a single Scottish person who speaks Gaelic.
Sucks, but not genocide.
Thank you David!!!!
It’s a book I heartily recommend, although I admit to a deception. My page references are total made up bogus, and don’t correspond to anything at all. The tactics are real though.
As real as living DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH and definitively as real as SPELL-CHECKING MEIN KAMPF.
Shut up Woody, it’s fun to me.
Those are all excellent.
One of my personal favorites was the one where cis people and Trans people she disagrees with forfeited the right to have their pronouns respected. I bet they don’t know that.
Oh yeah, that’s something beautiful all right. “You know my prefered pronoun— what? No of course not. You are not worthy of having your wishes respected”
@thebewilderness: sorry if it was massively inappropriate to get all angry with her blatant snapping at you for abandoning “the fight” and doing “activism” wrong. It just really, really upset me because it’s such a typical appropriation move.
My favourite part of the Why Does He Do That? spiel was that she was way more upset about the misgendering than with being compared to abusers.