When confronted with the simple fact that men hold the overwhelming majority of positions of power in the world – in government, business, culture, and pretty much everything else – MRAs like to pretend that the actual gender of those in power makes no difference because, well, the men in power are probably a bunch of manginas doing the dirty work of the women who really run the world. Or something like that.
Indeed, some MRAs have even managed to convince themselves that the very basic historical and sociological fact that men in power, by and large, tend to represent men’s interests more than women’s interests is some sort of locical fallacy – something that they’ve labeled “The Frontman Fallacy.”
Now A Voice for Men contributor and YouTube videoblogger TyphonBlue has done these guys one better in terms of sheer antifeminist loopiness. In the comments on one of the Warren Farrell protest videos I recently wrote about, she argues that men in power don’t really push male interests because … they probably don’t even think of themselves as men.
Here she is, writing under her other nom-de-net Genderratic:
I don’t even know what to say to this. I mean, WHAT?!
PROTIP: You’re not going to convince anyone you’re a great ally of trans* people if you refer to them as “it.”
Yanno, maybe they are drunk.
@cassandrakitty
34 years after “Technology on the Social and Ethical Aspects
of Transsexual Surgery” and nothing happening? Not really, no.
http://www.transadvocate.com/50000-deaths_n_8926.htm
This was your own back yard. This wasn’t just Raymond and Rich, this was Morgan, and Steinem, and every condescending column using the phrase “male-bodied” to refer to women for generations.
You. Owe. And what drives this garbage and mockery and snorting at the idea there might be more trans women out there is that you… Do… Know… because your friends held back transition prevalence twenty years and you never really said a word.
No acknowledgements.
No apologies.
No picket lines.
No citizens arrests with referrals to the Hague, like you would normally do with an act of genocide…
Nothing.
From the people who claim to be allies.
No one OWES you shit.
34 years ago I was 7 and not a feminist on account of didn’t know what one was yet?
I was 9 and falling down on the job apparently.
Why blame men for setting up the system in the first place, when you can just blame women for not fighting it hard enough?
I love Mercedes Lackey. She did some great stuff with Leslie Fish.
Also Heather Dale and Heather Alexander. Oh, appropo and on topic, it turns out Heather Alexander is Alexander James now. It has no relevance to the topic at hand.
Maybe drunk. Maybe high on umbrage. Maybe authoritarian asshat.
I paid my dues in blood sweat and tears and do not owe you shit. I will pick my battles. You will not.
I can’t believe I missed Fibinachi astonishingly awesome responses to Huffpost’s favorite MRA blowhard. I also can’t believe Keefe found time to post on this humble blog, considering how busy she keeps herself heckling teens on tumbler and railing how women are the real domestic abusers.
And something something Heather Graham? You lost me, I’m afraid, only name on that list I know is Mercedes Lackey.
I did not know this troll was famous. Well, internet famous.
Given the topic at hand, it seemed more interesting.
Let’s see 34 years ago, I was also seven, and mostly wondering if I’d get to watch Gilligan’s Island after school.
It’s funny how feminists don’t want to ally with misogynists, isn’t it? Downright weird.
I was 13, and I kinda-sorta knew what a feminist was. I don’t know if I knew what a transsexual was.
To summarize:
1. Troll shows up on a two-year-old threat demanding apologies that a blogger, two years ago, used a typographical convention that was acceptable at the time.
2. Troll indulges in abstract poetry that, while incomprehensible, clearly indicates that she feels wronged by the commentariat.
3. Commentariat eventually, possibly, figures out what the troll is frothing about.
4. Troll demands that All Feminists must drop our own concerns to prioritize hers.
Yeah, no. I guess it’s refreshing that this unoriginal and boring demand didn’t come from an MRA, for a change?
@cassandrakitty, you never dreamt of owning one of the Valdemar music cassettes/CDs?
I was a bit of a fan, lol.
34 years ago I was a young teen in an extremely religiously strict household. If some one had told my parents that zie was either a feminist or a transwoman, my parents likely would have arranged an exorcism (exorcisms were traditionally held after the weekly book burning).
I’ve learned a bit since then, though, and agree that feminists need to do a better job of including transpeople in our communities. What I don’t understand is how necroing a dead thread and screaming at the regulars and OP supports that goal.
34 years ago the thing that was most important to me was The Empire Strikes Back. I had curtains and bedsheets and a toy lightsabre and everything.
Oh. She’s an MRA after all? Never mind then.
Ah, more thread has been revealed while I typed. I now have more understanding.
I’m fucked if I can see a difference. It’s got the same shitty beat and I still can’t dance to it.
@hellkell
“No one OWES you shit.” Save for, yanno, people with unearned privilege over me, yeah… That’s the inconvenient bit, having to erase the effect privilege has, like ceasing to have room for more than the moral equivalent of the people who spell-checked Mein Kampf.
I’ve never understood the ‘stop prioritizing your own oppression(s) and prioritize mine, dammit’ approach. I mean, I’ve seen people actually bow down and stop doing things to free themselves, but I’ve never understood why.
I refuse to dance until someone gives me some booze.
Word salad! Order up!
…. 34 years ago I was -11 years.
Our temporal shenanigans are really getting out of hand! Alternative hypothesis: I am a young scallywag in this gathering.
Heather Dale, One Of Us:
Heather Dale, Hero:
Heather Alexander, Are Ye Working?
Also I’d love to own the valdemar music. But youtube will have to suffice.