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FeMRA TyphonBlue: What if the men who seem to run the world … AREN’T REALLY MEN?

How women rule the world.
Women ruling the world?

When confronted with the simple fact that men hold the overwhelming majority of positions of power in the world – in government, business, culture, and pretty much everything else – MRAs like to pretend that the actual gender of those in power makes no difference because, well, the men in power are probably a bunch of manginas doing the dirty work of the women who really run the world. Or something like that.

Indeed, some MRAs have even managed to convince themselves that the very basic historical and sociological fact that men in power, by and large, tend to represent men’s interests more than women’s interests is some sort of locical fallacy – something that they’ve labeled  “The Frontman Fallacy.”

Now A Voice for Men contributor and YouTube videoblogger TyphonBlue has done these guys one better in terms of sheer antifeminist loopiness. In the comments on one of the Warren Farrell protest videos I recently wrote about, she argues that men in power don’t really push male interests because … they probably don’t even think of themselves as men.

Here she is, writing under her other nom-de-net Genderratic:

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I don’t even know what to say to this. I mean, WHAT?!

PROTIP: You’re not going to convince anyone you’re a great ally of trans* people if you refer to them as “it.”

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kittehserf
5 years ago

Oh, my, but she should get a refund from Dale Carnegie.

LOL!

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

Are the tweets worth reading or will they just make me want to give up and start singing the rubber ducky song again?

duckbunny
5 years ago

The tweets are not worth reading.

brooked
5 years ago

I’m sort of enjoying her tweet screeds but I’m easily amused. I just like how she’s condemning David for all sorts of anti-transfeminity crimes, she even has receipts!, without bothering to make any reasonable, or even intelligible, points.

My favorite passive aggressive, disingenious moment:

@DavidFutrelle But you go on believing it was in bad faith. I understand the need to project from someone with Rich-quoting commenters.

brooked
5 years ago

She also thinks David was totes unfair to Typhonblue, of all fucking people. Tee hee.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

When was the last time someone quoted Rich here? I don’t even remember that, and I’ve been here for a while.

(Not that it would be a sin anyway. I’m still not sure why Robin Morgan is supposed to be under house arrest either.)

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

See? FeMRA.

brooked
5 years ago

Keefe is the only MRA I was familiar with well before discovering David’s blog, I’ve been rolling my eyes at Keefe’s antics for years, sadly. She pulls this same shit in comment threads at The Bilerico Project and similar LBGT sites, plus her HuffPo columns are a waking nightmare full of MRA non-facts and cheap debating tricks. Watching her implode here was an early holiday treat for me.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

Discovering that it was an entire movement rather than one lone crackpot can’t have been much fun, though.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

Out of curiosity, how well received were her “feminists are to blame for everything” arguments received on Bilerico and so on?

brooked
5 years ago

I can’t figure out why seemingly all the internet FeMRAs of, er, note are Canadian. I guess hardcore antifeminists can get book deals in the US, but their Canadian counterpoints have to settle for ranting about how terrible women and/or feminists are to an online audience of asshole guys.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

My theory would be, OK, let’s say you’re a screeching ragemonkey of the kind that tends to find the MRM appealing, and you live in Canada, where people are on average calm and nice and generally affable. Wouldn’t it drive you nuts? Walking around in perma-rage mode, surrounded by all these genial individuals who, when you attempt to enlist them in your vendetta of the week, shrug and say “oh well, that’s just how it is, eh”? Wouldn’t that drive you nuts?

And that’s how they end up with YouTube channels. Or at least that’s my theory.

brooked
5 years ago

The Bilerico stuff was years ago, but she was a pain in the ass to anyone who didn’t agree with every fucking thing she said. It’s mostly gay men so she focused on yelling at them and trans men, natch. I remember her picking a fight with an intersex activist (don’t ask) and claiming that she has little privilege as a poor transwomen “prole”, because race and education don’t seemingly factor in. As other people noticed, she seems to spend a lot of time defending cis men and denouncing cis women even while pretending to focus on trans issues. She’s delightfully a conservative with “libertarian leanings” IIRC.

And I don’t care if I remember correctly, quite honestly. I was going to google up some of her past bullshit, but I done with her, unless it’s happily picturing her raging against David and the mod “silencing” her.

brooked
5 years ago

And that’s how they end up with YouTube channels. Or at least that’s my theory.

And we end up with a woman lecturing her a toaster about male disposability for two hours. Your theory has merit.

Catherine von Überwald
Catherine von Überwald
5 years ago

At first I also found the tweets amusing (especially the ones where she try to ping David but misspells Futrelle).
But after reading some more of her tumblr posts I’m just too fed up with rampant misogyny on display.

It’s beyond me how she can consider herself some kind of a feminist but still write this:

Too many of my lesbian friends don’t want to hurt the precious feelings of these cissexually-constructed ‘females,’ (as though mullerian bits do, a female make), don’t want to dispute how they ‘identify’ when they’ve never had to really face misogyny without the training wheels of a patriarchal society designed to do everything to reaffirm their chosen role as cisheterosexual fuckholes. These ciswomen are bred by men to replace womyn and especially lesbian womyn.

http://valeriekeefe.tumblr.com/post/103446710586/peak-cis

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

It seems like a good general rule to assume that people who are feminists do not refer to women as “fuckholes”, yes.

Didn’t we just have this conversation about Christina Hoff Sommers? If you call yourself a feminist, but consistently talk and act like an anti-feminist and do your best to undermine feminism whenever you can, then you are not in fact a feminist, because words mean things.

Also, the social justice aikido via linguistic weirdness she’s attempting in the comment above? Imagine your average person who’re not familiar with any of this stuff trying to make sense of that. They’re not going to go “wow, my mind is blown”, they’re just going to frown and look confused.

brooked
5 years ago

patriarchal society = training wheels for lesbians facing misogyny. Okdokey.

pallygirl
pallygirl
5 years ago

My chosen role is not a cisheterosexual fuckhole.

Feminism, what was that about again?

Catherine von Überwald
Catherine von Überwald
5 years ago

Funny you should mention Christina Hoff Sommers.
VK also have a rebloged post about Sommers totally being a feminists.
So, I think it’s just another example of “words mean what I want them to mean” mindset.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

I’m also curious where the farm upon which young cis lesbians are being bred is located.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

More from Valerie.

The central thread running through my feminism is that you don’t face anything resembling the kind of full on, unbridled, vicious misogyny trans women face. You just don’t. There are people there to rush to your defense in a way they never would for me.

I think she should go have a chat with Zoe Quinn, it might be illuminating. And also notice that the people who rushed to Quinn’s defense? Have been defending Brianna Wu too.

pallygirl
pallygirl
5 years ago

I hope they’re raising the young cis lesbians as free-range. Do you think they’re cornfed?

And re the bit you just quoted, so she wants to be damselled? That’s her key issue?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

These chocolate covered almonds I’m eating came from Trader Joe’s, and I didn’t check the label. Shit, this probably means that I’m a non-organic bisexual, doesn’t it? At this rate they may not let me back on the farm.

kittehserf
5 years ago

You’re a purple cat, so you could be anything.

ignorantianescia
ignorantianescia
5 years ago

And also notice that the people who rushed to Quinn’s defense? Have been defending Brianna Wu too.

I am almost certain that the talking point of transsexualism has been fabricated by GamerGate, if that’s what you meant. It’s how they work, they just throw around accusations to soil the results of search engines. That might be very harmful, because of the transphobia rampant in society.

Their motivation is that they’re transphobic (that’s a given) and probably inspired by her acknowledgement of the plight of trans* people in the industry: http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/22/5926193/women-gaming-harassment

My understanding of their evidence is limited, but I think their argument boils down to “her hands are too large for a woman” and “her face looks male”. So it’s all sexist, transphobic garbage.

It is a classic catch-22: don’t be vocal enough in rebutting the claim and it won’t be noticed, be too vocal and people will call your advocacy for trans* people hypocritical or insincere. There’s no doubt that some GamerGaters are deliberately this malicious with their tactics.

grumpyoldnurse
5 years ago

Oh, dear dog! I can’t with this.

Damselling does not exist, except as some faux-chivalrous exercise in mind wanking. And talk about solipsism! “Only I know what true suffering is! You’re all faking it!”

Also, back to the 8 year old not being traumatised because she will be damselled; nice way to make a child’s rape all about teh menz! Obviously, women and girls who are not trans only exist when a male type person looks at them. She fails at compassion. Can you imagine how painful it must be to go through life that filled with rage and hatred and bitter entitlement?

Also, about all the Canadian FeMRA’s – I apologise profusely for the horrible behaviour of my countrywomen. If I’ve ever met one of these charmers in real life, they at least had the (?) decency to keep it quiet.

ignorantianescia
ignorantianescia
5 years ago

Addition:

Of course, nothing of the previous post means that standing up against misplaced transphobia is anything other than sincerely standing up against transphobia. cassandrakitty’s point about how Quinn’s defenders oppose transphobic pile is also unaffected by my post.

ignorantianescia
ignorantianescia
5 years ago

Eh, make that “my previous post”.

grumpyoldnurse
5 years ago

Transphobia is wrong and bad and people who discriminate against or abuse transpeople are horrid. However, calling a jerk (who happens to be a transwoman) a jerk because she said jerky things does not make anyone a transphobe.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
5 years ago

@Alex:

Permission granted!

Fibinachi
5 years ago

The central thread running through my feminism is that you don’t face anything resembling the kind of full on, unbridled, vicious misogyny trans women face. You just don’t. There are people there to rush to your defense in a way they never would for me.

Wait what?

The higher incidence of misogyny trans people experience invalidates the feminism of other people?

So a woman born a woman experiences less misogyny than a woman becoming her self because… But that would imply misogyny is especially severe for “men becoming women”, assumption being because they willingly choose/desire the inferior binary role, so it loops back around and wait is she more of a woman than the people who can happily rely on the fact that their identity is assigned by others desiring more fuck holes and this is somehow a bad thing for *the trans person who does not get that free role affirmation*

Hhhccchhhkkkkkkkkkk
Fibi.exe encountered a fatal error. Runtime ceased. Reboot.

Alex
5 years ago

Thanks, kirbywarp!

grumpyoldnurse
5 years ago

I suggest you have some chocolate, abandon logic, and avoid this train wreck of a thread, Fibinachi. Then, I’m sure you’ll feel better soon, and that blue screen of death thing will clear right up.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
5 years ago

Reading Valerie’s writing…it’s like Fidelbogan and the TimeCube guy had a baby, and then hired Michel Foucoult as a tutor.

Falconer
5 years ago

You kids keep it quiet down here, some of us are trying to sleep!

Oh, the party’s over already?

Puddleglum
5 years ago

Maybe Valerie had sads because David didn’t write a single post about her FeMRA stuff. Cuz everyone knows that to be featured in a post here totally improves your status among other MRAs.

Just a Reminder
Just a Reminder
4 years ago

Transition incidence has doubled in the 4 years since this smug, mocking, transmisogynistic bullshit was posted.

The nominally cismasculine are still more homeless, more jailed, and more murdered than the nominally cisfeminine.

And David Futrelle is still Cathy Brennan but with a hardon for Brianna Wu’s transitionerism.

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