[TRIGGER WARNING: RAPE THREATS]
The Men’s Rights movement has been described by some as “the abusers’ lobby.” I don’t think that’s fair, but there are certainly those within the movement that fit the bill – not necessarily because they themselves are abusers, but because, among other things, they lionize abusers and advocate on their behalf.
In the case of hate site A Voice for Men, there is another way in which the term applies: the “activism” of the site and its followers, insofar as it consists of anything more than self-promotion, often mirrors the actions of abusers – AVFM is known for harassing individuals, usually women, and exposing (or threatening to expose) personal information that could be used to stalk and harm them, in an attempt to intimidate them and other feminists and shut them up. Indeed, the site on several occasions has offered $1000 “bounties” on the personal information of its foes.
Now AVFM has another individual in its sights: a young woman, presumably a student, who participated in a recent demonstration against Men’s Rights author Warren Farrell at the University of Toronto. Men’s Rights activists have been promoting a video depicting the protest, in which a group of feminist activists blockaded the building at which Farrell was speaking, until they were forcibly removed by police. The carefully-edited video pays particular attention to one of the activists, the woman in question, as she confronts supporters of Farrell, calling one of them “fucking scum.” (See here for an even-more-manipulatively propagandistic video that focuses even more intently on the woman; and here for one that more clearly depicts the police pulling, shoving, and knocking non-violent protestors to the ground.)
I don’t personally support blocking speeches by opponents; I think it’s bad both in principle and as a political tactic. But Warren Farrell certainly deserves criticism; demonstrators certainly have the right to demonstrate; and as anyone who has ever been to a demonstration knows, sometimes people on opposite sides shout at another.
Apparently the politically inexperienced “activists” at AVFM are unaware of this. And so the site has responded to the demonstration with a campaign to uncover and publicize this woman’s personal information – for the “crime” of using angry language at a protest. In one of the several posts on the subject now up on AVFM, the MRA known as JohnTheOther describes her as, among other things
her own generation’s brown shirt, and she knows it. …
She is clearly sadistic, unable and unwilling to recognize the humanity of anyone who does not slavishly and blindly agree with her own religion of hate.
There is more, much more; if you have the stomach for it, I suggest you read the full post to see JtO’s extended attack on the woman. As is often the case with MRA writings, the full quotes in context are worse than the excerpts I quote here.
A later post from site founder and head Paul Elam includes a picture of the woman, with the caption “Seeking this undesirable’s identity.”
Elam warns that
We have her image and know her general location. We will identify her and profile her activity and name for public view.
We will not stop there, or just with her. And while we will not publish our complete intent, we are dogged in our efforts.
Again, this quote is if anything worse in context; see the entire post here, filled with vituperative, thuggish, threatening language and illustrated with a picture of a violent storm, evidently intended to represent what AVFM is threatening to rain down upon its opponents.
In still another post, with the inflammatory title “Yanking Off the Hood,” Elam defends his site’s “doxxing” policy, writing
AVfM is conducting outreach and investigation into the identities of the persons involved in the violent protest against the rights of men and boys orchestrated and conducted by the University of Toronto Student Union and other antisocial elements within that institution.
To that end, one individual has already been identified, and you will be seeing a story on her here in the near future. Our search for the woman highlighted in the video of the protest continues, with some leads. …
Gender ideologues absolutely hate the light of day. They hate it shining on their ideas and on their lies. Many of them also don’t want it shining on their identities. They seek anonymity for the same reason Klansmen wear hoods.
Even beyond the vicious nature of AVFM’s language and tactics, the hypocrisy here is off the charts: most of AVFM’s writers – gender ideologues all – hide their identities behind pseudonyms, including of course JohnTheOther, who launched AVFM’s campaign against the still-unknown protester.
JtO, who now wishes to conceal his identity, used to write under his own name, and has linked his name with his pseudonym on YouTube and on Men’s Rights sites he has written for. Though his real name is fairly widely known, and can be uncovered with the simplest of web searches, JtO has now decided to try to get that cat back in the bag, and at one point demanded that I remove all mentions of his real name on this site so that he would not – irony alert — face harassment. As much as I don’t respect John, I respected this wish of his, and did so; he may want to take this issue up with his friend Elam, as a post by the AVFM head still up on the site identifies JohnTheOther by both name and pseudonym.
There is no question that the student activist targeted by JtO and AVFM will face harassment when and if her personal information is exposed. Indeed, she is already being singled out for abuse now. On YouTube, videos featuring her have inspired numerous threatening comments. Here are a sampling of comments I’ve found there:
Here you can find even more, sent to me by someone who was at the protest.
If AVFM releases the personal information of the student now being attacked online they are giving a green light for this sort of harassment online and off. They are aiding and abetting those who wish this woman to come to real physical harm.
That’s why I think it is fair to call AVFM a hate site, and a member of the abusers’ lobby.
(Meanwhile, JohnTheOther seems to be undergoing some sort of meltdown on Reddit; more on this in my next post.)
I asked her that too, hellkell. I’m not putting any bets on us getting an answer.
Any comment, Failsuz? Or is accountability just for
womenfemales, and avoiding it primarily the province of feminism?I dare driversuz to publicly disagree with PaulE on something substantial in the AVfM comments. I would totally make popcorn and settle in to watch that shitstorm.
cloudiah: I’ll bring the drinks to the shitstorm party.
Thanks for free publicity, Futrelle. Keep up the good work.
People who themselves hide behind pseudonyms have no business lecturing others about being “held accountable” by being subjected to harassment, threats and possible violence. If you want to teach us a lesson about the kind of accountability you are preaching here, Suz, kindly post your real name and address. I, for one, will be happy to disseminate it. Somehow I doubt you would receive death and rape threats, but I also know with certainty that you will continue to blabber on about “accountability” from behind an opaque screen. It’s clear from your words that you are a giant hypocrite and a bully. Though I think that last bit was redundant.
@BASTA!
“All publicity is good publicity” really isn’t a good slogan for activism. I assure you that no one who is reading this blog goes up and thinks “Hey! What these guys are saying totally sounds sane and reasonable, I think I’ll join in!” except for the comment trolls.
Is BASTA! negging David? This is weird.
I am in favor of the cake initiative.
Aaaaaaaand PASTA! and the point continue to elude one another.
Reblogged this on iheariseeilearn.
And so began the idea for an angry PASTA! Poster. http://noldai.deviantart.com/art/Motivational-Angry-Pasta-131234439
You’re such a nice person to erase JtO’s real name from your site. If you were writing under a pseudonym, he would not even consider doing the same for you. He is a coward. A grown man bullying kids who are likely teenagers, outright lying and exaggerating to justify it, and hiding behind a pseudonym. It’s too late. His real name and location is known and there is no hiding it.
@sidestinkappleeye – ROFL love that pasta poster!
I’m I crazy, or is BASTA! an idiot?
Suz, you’re a coward.
ROFL http://funnyasduck.net/post/4591
so BASTA! will feel the love he needs.
http://i.imgur.com/ker6h.jpg
“I’m I crazy, or is BASTA! an idiot?”
I’m votin’ for the second option.
LOL. The only ones who hate David are MRAs, and they hardly represent even .0000001% of the planet. What a perfect example of your inflated self-importance.
So many great things going on tonight! sidestinkappleeye, did you make all of those?
“Fucking scum”? Go suggest on reddit – not in men’s rights just generally on reddit – that there’s sexism in gaming or on reddit. You’ll be called cunt, scum, whore, skank, feminazi over and over and over. And if you point out the misogyny, you’ll be told you’re too sensitive.
Not sure if you’re aware, but men’s rights will not allow any Gawker magazine links because they oppose doxxing. So, if this site is doxxing, the site should not be linked (at the very least).
Not to mention that beyond the whining about being held accountable for the ‘doxxing’ – because most people are not disingenuous morons and know exactly what is the point of pairing a woman’s personal information with a bunch of hyperbolic rhetoric and rape threats- is that the whole reason they chose to dox is to protect themselves from being held accountable for the end results of their desires. They’re playing the lottery: probably if they find and post her address she won’t be physically assaulted, but maaayyyyybbeeee, who knows? Wouldn’t that be a damn shame? Anyway, the consequences for making sure she got her consequences will be someone else’s problem. If they wanted it done right, they’d do it themselves. But they’re less interested in if it gets done right-or at all- if it comes at their own expense.
@aworldanonymous: If it makes you feel any better, most of society does hold youtube commenters threatening rape in profound contempt. More subtle rape apologism may not be scorned by much of society like it should be, but the vast majority of society would indeed despise these youtube commenters. They only feel safe to say this because of internet anonymity. It’s not much, but it’s something.
Suzie: Can’t be holding a girl accountable now, can we?
And it’s horrid to be saying the people who are threatening her are awful people.
Can’t be holding them accountable now, can we?
I wonder if Steele is following this little kabuki of AVfM and JtO?
All that peacable, anti-violence, and all.