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Splitsville! A Voice for Men and Bernard Chapin are having a sort-of-hilarious feud

(Tempest not pictured.)
(Tempest not pictured.)

If you stuff a bunch of angry, narcissistic, egotistical twits into a “movement” the size of a teapot, it is perhaps inevitable that there will be drama. So I’m pleased to report on a dramatic BREAKING STORY  in the Men’s Rights “movement” – a split between A Voice for Men and the bald, blabby, bigoted far-right videoblogger Bernard Chapin.

Well, I’m not sure how much of a BREAKING STORY it is. It happened about three weeks ago, but I only just noticed it yesterday.

Anyhoo, the split happened after Chapin appeared on the AVFM News and Activism “radio” show in the wake of the election. Apparently (I haven’t listened to it) he said some things that displeased the A Voice for Men regulars and a giant battle erupted in the comments section. Alas, AVFM head narcissist Paul Elam got pissy and deleted all the comments, so the exact details of the discussion are apparently lost to history. But the few details I have been able to glean, by watching a couple of Chapin videos and looking at his Facebook page, are hilarious.

The basis of the disagreement is, surprisingly enough, sort of substantive: Chapin is a right-wing blogger, while the A Voice for Men guys like to pretend that they are somehow above political partisanship. But naturally, this being the Men’s Rights movement, this disagreement played out in the silliest possible way.

In several videos made during and after the comments-page kerfuffle, Chapin charges that A Voice for Men – which he now refers to as A Voice for Diabolical Leftists – is being taken over by leftists and radical feminists, some of them possibly agents for the Southern Poverty Law Center (or at least SPLC fellow travelers). No, really; he seems to actually believe this.

According to Chapin, the vanguard of this leftist infiltration of AVFM is the site’s relatively new “managing editor,” a long-haired, middle-aged IT dude by the name of Dean Esmay, whom Chapin has taken to calling “Dean Rimsgays” and “Dean Licksgays.” (Such a wit!)

Chapin accuses Esmay of being an evil lefty who doesn’t appreciate the full gloriousness of small government, while Esmay accuses Chapin of not having a solution to the problem of greedy, golddigging, Alpha-male-chasing ladies. No, seriously. At one point in the debate Esmay apparently confronted Chapin about this crucial Men’s Rights issue:

While you’re at it, explain to me how “smaller government” will end hypergamy. Indeed, explain to me if you would why libertarianism (whichever particular flavor of that ideology you espouse) would not actually APPLAUD hypergamy in women? What, like she owes her man something? If he’s a “loser” who doesn’t make enough money to make her happy, why shouldn’t she dump him and trade up? Hey, isn’t that the FREE MARKET?

Chapin is also pissed that some of the AVFM folks refer to him as “Bernie” instead of “Bernard.” Elam is (one can only imagine) pissed that Bernie has done an impression of him in a silly voice.

And so these former allies are now going their separate ways. A Voice for Men seems to have removed Bernie’s – sorry, Bernard’s – videos from its video page (or at least from its “featured video” list), though it hasn’t scrubbed all mentions of Chapin from the site.

I look forward to the day when all of the “big names” in the Men’s Rights movement stop talking to one another.

I was thinking of posting one of Chapin’s anti-AVFM videos here, but he’s so irritatingly long-winded you’re probably better off not watching them (I’ve got a couple of links above if you’re feeling especially masochistic). Here, instead, is a video of a talking kitty:

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cloudiah
7 years ago

^ I threw that request in at the last minute. ^

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Cassandra: asshole-ectomies are definitely an elective surgery, one I bet a lot of women in this dude’s life opt for eventually.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Maybe that’s why they’re so worried about Obamacare, they’re scared it will make asshole-ectomies mandatory for all women.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Cloudiah

I tried to have the cats looking as disdainfully at that little troll as possible. (Looking up references for that just made me realize how CREEPY those dolls are.)

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
7 years ago

LBT – love the banner!

I always hated those troll dolls. Ghastly things.

Myoo
Myoo
7 years ago

Great banner, LBT.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
7 years ago

Just have this ridiculous image in my head of in utero labia trying to look up schematics for how their “supposed to look” on Google.

Seriously, I bet this guys penis does not look like the images I see on the net either. And there’s nothing wrong with that, other than this idea and its ramifications has not occured to him.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
7 years ago

The dumbfuckery of it is quite something, isn’t it? Does he expect all faces, hands, feet, bodies generally to be identical?

… No, scrap that question, he probably does expect all women to conform to his ultra-narrow definitions of what’s hot aka allowed to exist.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
7 years ago

More Wikipedia fun: in our current version of “Labia”, zero of five images of women’s external genitalia have pubic hair.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
7 years ago

Oh and all the bodies the labia are attached to are young, white, and thin with flawless skin and symmetrical anatomy, but that practically goes without saying.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Hey, guys who’re complaining about labia not looking the way they’re “supposed” to! This is what your face and body are supposed to look like.

And yet I can’t help but notice that they do not. You should probably fix that.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Well, that would have been more impressive if I could cut and paste properly.

http://img2-1.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/11/27/thelma-and-louise.jpg

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Not Brad Pitt!!! MISANDRY!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Brad Pitt is misandry. As in, his very existence. He should…I dunno, at least apologize for being so good looking or something.

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

Dumb guy throws hissy fit because all women don’t resemble the models in his porn collection —– news at eleven!

whataboutthemoonz
7 years ago

TMI! 😀

I have an asymmetrical vulva. The right side (labia minor and clitoral hood) is larger and more prominent than the left. I tried Googling asymmetrical labia, but all Google showed me was page after page after page of “get labiaplasty to correct this horrible, painful, embarrassing medical condition!”

So naturally, I was like “Fuck you, Google.”

pecunium
7 years ago

whataboutthemoonz: And (also, perhaps, TMI). I’ve seen a few, notably asymetric vulvae. On balance, most of them are asymetric enough that one can tell… it’s just not quite as common for it to be prominent.

and… fuck you Google.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
7 years ago

It makes sense, doesn’t it, since our right/left sides generally do have a bit of asymmetry. My right side is a good bit bigger than my left, particularly my legs – the left is shorter and thinner than the right – so I daresay other bits are too! 😛

(Sic) Male
(Sic) Male
7 years ago

“If you stuff a bunch of angry, narcissistic, egotistical twits into a “movement” the size of a teapot, it is perhaps inevitable that there will be drama”….is there any other worthwhile reason to read the RadFemHub?

cloudiah
7 years ago

So you admit that the entire MRM is the equivalent of RadFemHub?

clairedammit
clairedammit
7 years ago

What’s up, sicmale, too nervous about the feminists coming after you to comment on a current post?

(Sic) Male
(Sic) Male
7 years ago

@cloudiah…is “A Voice For Men” representative of the entire MRM & does Bernard Chapin represent the entire MRM? I’m able to write contributors to the RadFemHub as angry twits because, based on what I’ve read on that site, that’s an accurate description. In comparison, AVFM is a pretty reasonable site.

@claire…no, I happened to search “Bernard Chapin” on google after watching one of his videos & came across the link to this article. Why did I search for Chapin? Because I think he’s a revolting character & I wanted to know more about him.

Feminists are welcome to come after me. I try hard enough, leaving comments on the F Word blog. The problem is they tend not to publish comments unless you agree with them. I always thought that one of the points of debate & discussion was to offer alternative arguments to those offered by the original poster. I’m afraid feminists aren’t interested in dissenting voices…unless of course they belong to “MRA’s”. It’s those voices inbetween feminism & the MRA’s that fox them. What’s missing on both sides is understanding…recognising differences & working to overcome them. When neither side wishes to understand the other, you will have “angry, narcissistic, egotistical twits” in both camps.

I’m not here to make friends with feminists or make enemies of MRA’s though, so I’ll leave you to it.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Bye, troll.

cloudiah
7 years ago

In comparison, AVFM is a pretty reasonable site.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Feminists are welcome to come after me.

Come at me bro!

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
7 years ago

The F Word doesn’t block people for dissent. There’s a clear comment policy at the bottom of every article, if you don’t stick to that (IIRC it’s basically ‘don’t be a bigot or act like an arsehole’), then no, it won’t be published.

I know they let through lots of dissenting opinions because I used to write for them. Some of those comment threads were brutal in terms of challenging my ideas.

Also, it’s a collective blog, they hold lots of diverging opinions. Twit.

cloudiah
7 years ago

But natfantastic, they don’t allow bigotry or arseholery, ergo they are afraid of dissent. QED.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

“What’s missing on both sides is understanding…recognising differences & working to overcome them.”

We do this discussion periodic, there is no goddamned common ground — MRAs think women shouldn’t have the right to vote, discuss how to silence women and babies, think legal abortion means they should be allowed to get out of child support via “financial abortion”, etc. These are all fundamentally incompatible with feminism.

I repeat, there is no common ground here.

Gametime
7 years ago

MRAs think women aren’t people and feminists think women are people – what about the poor excluded middle that thinks women are sometimes people? TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!

thebewilderness
7 years ago

I always thought that one of the points of debate & discussion was to offer alternative arguments to those offered by the original poster.

A common misconception among those who are looking for an argument rather than a discussion.

k.
k.
6 years ago

God, I’m so glad I’m not alone. I just discovered this dude when he tackled an article I wrote for HuffPo. The comment section of his youtube video included such gems as “”sluts deserve to be shamed. no one wants to throw a hotdog down a hallway,” “ugly bitches turn feminist ’cause they can’t get laid,” and “selfish cunt.”

Someone, please, now, one more time, explain to me that we don’t need a feminist movement anymore.