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On Popes, PUAs, The Pill and the Alpha A-hole Cock Carousel

I'm pretty sure this is nt how birth control actually works.
I’m pretty sure this isn’t how birth control actually works.

You might think that Pickup Artists, dudes obsessed with sexing up the young fertile lasses, would be huge fans of contraceptives – which, after all, are what makes their particular lifestyle possible. But some prominent PUAs are about as enthusiastic about contraception as a Pope.

In the case of the charming fellow who calls himself Heartiste, I mean this literally. In a recent posting, he quotes approvingly from Pope Paul VI’s 1968 Humanae Vitae dissing contraceptives for allegedly demeaning the women that use them. Paul suggested that contraception may cause men to

lose respect for the woman and, no longer caring for her physical and psychological equilibrium, may come to the point of considering her as a mere instrument of selfish enjoyment, and no longer as his respected and beloved companion.

I’m no Pope, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work that way.

Heartiste, for his part, embraces and extends this line of reasoning, adding in some of that Alpha-Beta-Schmeta nonsense that manosphereians seem to regard as cutting edge science.

[A]s cheap contraceptives silently and subtly move men toward devaluing women, so too does the technology move women toward devaluing beta males, those bitter losers in the sexual market (note: I did not say marriage market or child market) for whom contraceptives, coupled with female economic self-sufficiency, have rendered them practically superfluous as primetime sexual partners.

The mass-produced condom and the Pill have freed men from feeling obligation for women as much as they have freed women to regularly and blithely pursue what was historically risky sex with caddish alpha males on the make.

The contraceptive is, in practice, a female hypergamy facilitator.

Yep, that’s right: contraceptives are the tickets to the mythical Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel.

But poor Heartiste has impaled himself on the horns of a dilemma. He’s got a good anti-woman rant going, but there’s just one problem with it: he’s devoted his life to becoming one of those Alpha Assholes that contraceptive-using women purportedly cannot resist riding.

It’s funny for me to write this, because contraceptives have, in fact, been very very good to me. I did a back of the envelope calculation and figured that my aggregate sex life would have been truncated by 90% if contraceptives were prohibitively expensive, unreliable and hard to get. A world in which women had to grapple with real, palpable fears of STDs, pregnancy and subsequent abandonment is, not to put too fine a point on it, a really shitty world for womanizers and serial monogamists and uncomplicated lovers of the art of seduction itself. I imagine I’d have to *gasp* start promising marriage or some such claptrap to any woman I wanted to bang, just to loosen her up enough to unhook her bra.

Spoken like a true asshole.

Oh, but don’t worry, Heartiste isn’t going to stop attacking sex-having women as one of the harbingers of “the cultural and technological juggernaut that hastens, if it is not the sole cause of, the death of Western civilization.”

Indeed, Heartiste almost seems to relish the ironies of his position, as it allows him to spew forth some of the silliest purple prose you’re ever going to find outside the pages of bad romance novels (or comments from our friend Steele):

Here I am, standing at the edge of the abyss, pointing into its bowels like a histrionic jester, leading the ignorant and the deluded to peer into the void and imploring them — no, more precisely taunting them — to heed my warning of their desolate future… and still I cavort insouciantly along its lip, secretly relieved that no one will seriously weigh my prophecies.

Well, at least he’s right about that “histrionic jester” bit.

Last I checked, Heartiste’s post had spawned 450 comments. I can’t bring myself to look through them to see what further horrors can be found there.

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hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Howard, you never know, I’m sure someone out there thinks we’re being mean to the poor dear.

Steele
Steele
11 years ago

I know you’re trying to be funny. Please don’t be gross.

I’m not – Paul Elam has made the comparison as well.

It is an true and valid comparison; as it would be to the leaders of the Gay Rights Movement; likewise the First Wave of Feminism; ie, Susan B. Anthony. It’s applicable to all legitimate rights movements.

howardbann1ster
howardbann1ster
11 years ago

Didn’t you already excommunicate him, Steele?

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
11 years ago

Nobinyamu – Yes you are indeed, and without a doubt, correct – those links are wrong. However, it says nothing about the mainstream Movement; I condemn those individuals and I can do no more.

The same way you condemned Tom Martin, right before you started kissing his ass in the comments?

5 bucks says Steelebutt never even read the links Nobinayamu so kindly provided him.

Ten bucks and a bag of homemade christmas cookies.

inurashii
inurashii
11 years ago

“Things that people in the movement do say nothing about the movement.

Unless we’re talking about YOUR movement, in which case there is blood on all of your hands! BLOOOOOD!

inurashii
inurashii
11 years ago

It’s applicable to all legitimate rights movements.

Oh well I think I see your problem then.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

MLK Jr. would be turning like a wood lathe in his grave if he knew hate-mongering jagoffs like you were using him as a spiritual guide.

Steele
Steele
11 years ago

Marc Lepine, is CELEBRATED BY YOUR MOVEMENT.

No, he is NOT. In NO sense. You are lying – point-blank lying. Lying through your teeth, and I believe you are aware of it.

pecunium
11 years ago

This would blow up just as I have to leave for work. I’ll deal with it more when I get home.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Yeah, he’s definitely a troll.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Can we please play him off now? I am so done with this dipshit.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

No, he is NOT. In NO sense. You are lying – point-blank lying. Lying through your teeth, and I believe you are aware of it.

“LALALALALALA I DON’T WANT TO HEAR YOU AND YOU CAN’T MAKE ME.”

OK, Rumplesteelskin, keep having your shitfit. We all know who the liar here is.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
11 years ago

It is an true and valid comparison; as it would be to the leaders of the Gay Rights Movement; likewise the First Wave of Feminism; ie, Susan B. Anthony. It’s applicable to all legitimate rights movements.

I know it’s difficult for you to maintain internal consistency within this persona you’ve created but I I want to remind you that you don’t think that Black people are necessarily able to recognize racism. So for you to invoke Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. is not only hilariously stupid, it’s really fucking gross.

But, tell you what, you produce a quote of Dr. King talking about how the thought of fucking up the shit of White people gave him an erection and I’ll let it pass.

cloudiah
11 years ago

I do kind of want him to answer my question from the previous page:

Steele, tell me what exactly is the difference between the political views held by Marc Lepine and those held by Paul Elam or JohntheOther? Not their actions, but their views? If they were sitting around, pre-massacre, just shooting the shit — would they disagree on anything?

But I don’t care that much so it’s fine with me if he gets the banhammer. Maybe it will make him go back to his blog.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

His Varpole sock puppet has way over stayed his welcome.

Steele
Steele
11 years ago

For posterity, we shall review my participation in this thread – and see who is behaving truly hatefully.

1. I was in truth, not aware that this was the anniversary of the Massacre. This was perhaps a “mea culpa” as they say.

2. Independently of this, I have said that I believe that feminists and other toads like John Scalzi have been implicitly painting straight white men as an acceptable punching bag and/or target of vyle bigotry.

3. I believe this will lead to violence against straight white men; I stand by that assertion. And the blood will be on feminists’ hands.

I am merely trying to avoid violence.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
11 years ago

Can we please play him off now? I am so done with this dipshit.

Sure. Until he comes back saying his adventures in bachelorhood are making him see the light in regards to the 80/20 split of nefarious, m-feminist, hypergamy. When he starts up with that shit, I intend to mock the shit out of him.

I wish I’d participated in the music discussion.

KathleenB
KathleenB
11 years ago

Steele: So, you’re saying that you’re the sole arbiter of who should and shouldn’t be part of the Movement(TM)? Because the people who wrote the linked articles and their supporters seem to think they’re MRAs, too.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Steele, you don’t care about violence, as long as it’s not your precious hide. You hand-waved away a massacre when you were informed, and for that, you are a piece of shit.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Hey, it’s not too late to go back to the music discussion! It was a lot more entertaining than ForgetfulTrollFail.

Steele
Steele
11 years ago

And indeed, if my position of nonviolence is too much to handle, as it were, I invite you to boot me off. You only show your own selves, and it is not pretty.

I’ll let you all cool off, and I’ll be willing to accept an apology when I return.

inurashii
inurashii
11 years ago

I will ask you again, Steele.

When MRM outliers commit violence against women, why is blood not on your hands?
If feminist outliers eventually commit violence against men, why is blood on our hands?

Explain the difference.

howardbann1ster
howardbann1ster
11 years ago

John Scalzi, well-known Straight White Male, has been calling Straight White Males acceptable targets!!

Um….

Yeah, okay.

“Blood will be on the hands of women for saying straight white men have privilege! But actually fomenting violence and speaking approvingly of, say, Marc Lepine… nope, we’re a Legitimate Movement!”

Steele, I’m only going to ask you this once.

Have you ever considered remedial writing classes?

Might help.

cloudiah
11 years ago

You support a movement that excuses and advocates violence against women, trollepole.

howardbann1ster
howardbann1ster
11 years ago

“I’ll let you all cool off, and I’ll be willing to accept an apology when I return.”

An apology?

For calling out your stupid shit?

Hm, okay. When you apologize for writing like a pretentious ass, I’ll apologize for pointing out your shit stinks. I should have called it ‘the rose-smelling produce of your bowelz,’ or some prettified phrase, obviously.

I can call it vyle if you’d like.

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