Manosphere misogynists love fantasizing about a coming apocalypse, invariably caused by the bad behavior of feminists and/or women in general, and invariably resulting in feminists and/or women in general lost and forlorn and realizing their mistakes, returning to men begging for help and asking for forgiveness. Like Doomsday Preppers waiting for the planet to suddenly shift on its axis due to the sudden reversal of the magnetic poles, most of the apocalyptic misogynists don’t seem to have the faintest idea of what they’re talking about.
Take, for example, one Paul Elam of A Voice for Men, who transformed himself into an environmentalist last week when he realized it would give him an excuse to rant about the evils of women spending money. Turns out that the “conventional wisdom” his thesis depends on — that women are responsible for 80% of spending — is essentially an urban legend, and that men and women seem to spend roughly the same amounts. Similarly, there’s evidence that suggests men and women in developed countries have similar “carbon footprints,” with men if anything a bit more pollutey.
But of course this is hardly the only bit of apocalyptic misogynistic fantasy that, upon examination, turns out to be based on patent nonsense. Manosphere misogynists – particularly those on the racist right – love to complain about the evils of single motherhood, especially in the “ghettoes,” which they imagine will lead to crime rates spiraling out of control, riots, dogs and cats living together, and any number of other apocalyptic scenarios.
As one commenter on Dalrock’s manosphereian blog put it, providing a pithy summary of the coming single-mom apocalypse:
Single mothers bring the very wellfare state they depend on closer to the brink of colapse with every illegitimate child they pop out, who will most likely in turn create more bastards and be more likely to commit crimes thus placing an ever increasing strain on the state’s purse stings. …
[T]hings will collapse soon enough and then it will be everyone for themselves. No more suckling at the government’s saggy dried up teet.
Of course, manospherians are hardly the only ones who like to blame single moms for everything. You may recall that odd moment in the presidential debates when Mitt Romney responded to a question about gun violence with “gosh to tell our kids that before they have babies, they ought to think about getting married to someone, that’s a great idea.”
There’s just one tiny problem with the whole single-motherhood-means-higher-crime-rates argument: if you look at the history of the past twenty years or so you will find that while single motherhood has been on the increase, violent crime rates have been going down, down, down. Take a look at this chart, which I have borrowed from an excellent post on The Atlantic by University of Maryland sociologist Philip Cohen.
Huh. First single motherhood and crime rise together, then crime plummets while single motherhood continues to rise. It’s almost as if the two social trends have no correlation with each other at all.
As Cohen writes:
Violent crime has fallen through the floor (or at least back to the rates of the 1970s) relative to the bad old days. And this is true not just for homicide but also for rape and other assaults. At the same time, the decline of marriage has continued apace. Looking at two aggregate trends is never enough to tell a whole story of social change, of course. However, if two trends going together doesn’t prove a causal relationship, the opposite is not quite as true. If two trends do not go together, the theory that one causes the other has a steeper hill to climb. In the case of family breakdown driving crime rates, I don’t think the story will make it anymore.
Once upon a time, when both single motherhood and crime rates were moving upwards, you couldn’t entirely blame some social critics for suggesting there might be some connection. But with twenty more years of data we can see clearly that this just isn’t so. At this point, anyone predicting a single mother crime apocalypse is either a) an ideologue, b) ignorant about the facts or c) both.
In the case of the apocalyptic manosphere ranters, it’s obviously c.
“Why is am I stupid?”
To ask is to answer.
I’m asking you valid questions and you’re screaming and swearing at me like a bunch of bikers.
Check out the numbers of women graduating from college as opposed to men.
Oh, hell, dipshit. First, they didn’t allow women in universities.
Then they set quotes for how many women could enter.
Now that women are not barred or under limits, they’re outperforming men.
What makes you think that’s discrimination? (And look especially at what areas women are graduating in, and what areas women in universities work in–hint, it ain’t STEM fields).
Gimme a minute, I’ll find some more links.
Your ass needs educating.
Dude, you came in with an assertion about our beliefs that is completely untrue. That really didn’t endear you to us.
I do not know why, rty. Given the amount of information available to you it really is inexcusable.
Oh, women are outperforming men? Oops. Must’ve been stuck in my little mathematical bubble, where at a rough guess 25% of students and *maybe* as much as 5% of faculty are female.
The Continued Under-Representation of Women In U.S. Politics
A bunch of bikers wouldn’t give you the time of day. Point to us, I guess.
I’m sorry, but “why is am I stupid” may be the most unintentionally hilarious thing any troll has said here. It’s just such a perfect distillation of their essence.
No. No, you are not. You are asking stupid questions that, incidentally, we have already answered and you have ignored.
Dance, monkey — DANCE.
“All I asked was whether the imaginary bullshit in my head meant that women shouldn’t have equal rights after all, I don’t understand why we can’t have a civil discussion about this.”
Google is your friend, rty. We are not.
Women in the labor market”>Women in the Labor Market. Older, but still, some good background looks like.
“I’m asking valid questions, why won’t you bitches educate meeeeeeee?”
Noes Oh Noes! Stop everyone we aren’t being lady like and accomodating!!
Dude, as a warning, I’m reading Oath of the Renunciates (again). Which typically puts me in mind to kick the asse of really whiny men.
Also, its not enough for you that women had to fight for the pill, are STILL fighting for our reproductive rights but we must also fight for yours too? When does it end.
Also, we do NOT fall for “oh look at that shiny thing!” When a jackass comes here to proudly pull out a statement through his ass. Defend your first comments or get the fuck out.
They’re not valid questions. They’re nonsense. Even if your claims were valid, you’ve given no evidence of them at all, and failed to answer the evidence given disproving them. That makes you either stupid or worse, willfully ignorant. Your opening effort was an obvious whine about not having control over women’s reproduction (and implicitly our lives in general). Do you think we haven’t seen that sort of crap before? And do you really think you’re going to get kid-gloves treatment when you come spouting that garbage on a site dedicated to mocking misogyny?
Trollboy: A Timeline of Women’s Legal History in the United States
Because women have always had it so easy over the years, and only poor white men have been oppressed.
And if you want to blame affirmative action, as I’m sure you do, read this first.
Then there will be a quiz.
Then we will talk.
Gotta be a lulz troll.
Ithiliana is going above and beyond here. This blog ain’t really intended to educate, it’s more an amusement, and we still have people willing to explain stuff…
This thread!
I’ve made popcorn, and I am feeding it to a slow loris.
It was a typo. Sorry.
Women in academia.
Around the world.
@Morkais: Heh. I’m not sure I”m educating or explaining as much as having fun smacking Troll with DATA.
Not that he’ll listen, read, or learn, but hey! It’s fun for me to find the stuff.
(Wonders if it’s legal to keep a slow loris as a pet where I live, and if my cat would try to eat it.)
FEMINIST TECH: DATASMITE
… I should go to bed.
See, TrollDude, how easy it is to find evidence? Now, I admit, it won’t be easy to find evidence to support your MRA talking points because, well, there isn’t any.
But ignoring ALL the evidence ALL the time is not a good way to live.
Why don’t you run back to the mrm sites where everybody will agree with you.