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Save the Dude Planet! Or, Paul Elam Yells at the Ladies for Buying Lady Crap

Paul Elam, head misogynist at A Voice for Men, is mad at the ladies again, his wrath provoked this time by an overheard conversation in a local coffeeshop between two women talking about recycling, and how the world would be a greener place if women were in charge.

Elam seems to take deep personal offense at any suggestion that men aren’t the absolute best at every single fucking thing, so he quickly scurried off to his computer to bash out a 1500-word screed that began with him insulting the women as bobbleheaded “latte lappers who were more likely than not completely clueless about how a single thing on the planet with a moving part works,” moved into high gear with some not altogether wrong (if rather trite and woman-blamey) critiques of the diamond and fur industries, and wound up with a stern warning that WOMEN ARE DESTROY9ING THE EARTH WITH ALL THEIR SPENDY SPENDING!!1!!!

So let’s just skip ahead to that part, shall we?

Take it away, Paul:

The thing that drives the bulk of pollution, wars, white collar criminality, cruelty to animals, human slavery and the like is consumerism. Consumerism, especially the market of unnecessary, embarrassingly vain and useless goods, is a woman’s world. It is primarily the consumption of fashion, via cosmetics, plastic surgery, excessive clothing, jewelry and other vanity items. Women drive a world of pain and damage to the planet. And men, to their shame, do the heavy lifting to get it done.

Ah, damn you ladies! God damn you all to hell!

The so-called Planet of the Apes was Earth all along!

Oh, wait. Sorry. SPOILER ALERT.

But Paul, don’t men buy a lot of expensive useless crap, too?

I mean, I just did about a minute of Googling and found a goddamn fishing rod that’ll set you back $4600.

I cannot think of a single item consumed by men en masse, with high social acceptance, that does not also have utilitarian value. e.g. leather items come from food source animals.

Oh, I see. You can use a $4600 fishing rod to catch $4600 fish. My bad.

Essentially it is not that much different from Native Americans using buffalo hide as well as the meat.

Yeah, he really did just say that.

And many of the things men do consume that might appear on the surface to be excessive are things that women size up and measure them  by in the process of sexual selection.

Ah, and these men are utterly helpless before these greedy, earth-destroying women and their evil feminine allure.

Most money is still earned by men.

This is true. In part because of that whole wage gap thing you MRAs don’t believe in.

Most money is actually spent by and on women, mostly on consequence-ridden products whose only use is to bolster their egos. That is about as green as a fucking oil spill.

The sex driving the world’s ridiculous over consumption, and therefore decimation of everything, is not men. In fact, women’s level of over consumption is so outrageous that they cannot even maintain it with their own resources. It takes both sexes to feed the excessive appetite of the one.

Ah, but that’s not quite true. Or really true at all. For one thing, while women may spend more than men, that’s in part because women still tend to do more of the shopping for things like, you know, groceries. They’re not spending all this money on themselves.

And women may not really be spending as much as you think. It’s often said that women are responsible for about 80% of consumer spending. But if you ever start trying to track down the source of that oft-quoted statistic, as I did while writing this post, you’ll discover that … there really doesn’t seem to be one. It’s one of these things that’s assumed to be true simply because it’s repeated so often – especially by people claiming to know how to market to women. The Wall Street Journal’s Carl Bialik looked into this 80% claim last year and found that

In addition to having murky origins, the number appears to be wrong. Several recent surveys suggest that men have nearly equal say on spending, and that when men and women live together, both participate in spending decisions. In a survey conducted last year of nearly 4,000 Americans 16 and older by Futures Co., a London consulting firm, just 37% of women said they have primary responsibility for shopping decisions in their household, while 85% said they have primary or shared responsibility. The respective figures for men were similar: 31% and 84%.

Let’s return from the land of reality to plunge again into the tempestuous torrent of Paul Elam’s testosterone tantrum. (See! I can write as crappily as Paul Elam if I really try!)

If we wanted to save the environment, be less cruel to animals, have less wars, less slavery and less forced labor of children then the best first step we can take is to start raising girls to get over their vanity and their entitlement. We would also do well to teach our boys to assist in the process.

Elam followed up this soul-stirring call to SAVE TEH PLANET with a post castigating male truck drivers for being too nice to lady truck drivers. No, really.

If you’re interested in learning more about saving our green planet, and even if you’re not, I suggest you take a look at the trailer for the excellent if unclassifiable Korean film called, naturally, Save the Green Planet.

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inurashii
inurashii
8 years ago

Yeah! These women need to get over their vanity!

But also stay hot somehow.

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

I cannot think of a single item consumed by men en masse, with high social acceptance, that does not also have utilitarian value. e.g. leather items come from food source animals.

He didn’t think very hard, did he?
1. Sky Sports. Pretty much anything sports, to be honest – tickets, souvenirs, replica kit, etc etc
2. All that gaming kit.
3.Depending on how accepting your society is, porn.

cloudiah
8 years ago

There’s also now a followup post, because PaulE didn’t think he had blathered on long enough in the first one so he needed to write another 1500 words.

My favorite thing about this is that he really lets the mask slip. They like to pretend they aren’t misogynists; it’s just that they’re critical of feminism, which is the “real” hate movement. But they can’t really contain their contempt and hatred for women for long, and finally it just spills out. In the “blurb” for the 2nd installment, they say “This time he poses some questions to women as a whole.”

Anyway, the whole thing is SO MUCH FAIL. He doesn’t understand the economy, political systems, history — he doesn’t understand reality.

I’m so glad you noticed this one. I was going to bug you about it, but I didn’t want to be like the trolls who tell you what you should be writing about on your own blog!

Joanna
8 years ago

I hadn’t realised that buying hair dye caused wars. I feel really awful now.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Skeptic, in the comments on the second post, makes the message crystal clear:

Seems to me then that MEN, the inventors of democracy, science, industrialism and all it’s many wonders YET AGAIN have to take the lead in advancing civilization to the next level – environmental sustainability.

Jeeze, is there any rest for men collectively taking the lead thereby having to be ‘patriarchal’ to pull women out of the primordial slime?

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

Ok, I’m a complete pedant. I look at all that argle-bargle and all I can think is “That apostrophe! It burns!”

skeptifem
8 years ago

I cannot think of a single item consumed by men en masse, with high social acceptance, that does not also have utilitarian value. e.g. leather items come from food source animals.

seriously? I thought of one in two seconds: porn. Then there is sex tourism and domestic prostitution.. I’m sure that elam defines boner-pleasin’ as ‘utilitarian’ because of his myopic idiocy, but still….

Wetherby
Wetherby
8 years ago

My wife’s far more scientifically literate than I am, and a substantial chunk of our income depends on her being able to operate (and understand the workings of) an extremely complex piece of modern medical technology.

Whereas I could easily do my job with a crayon if my editors were feeling suitably indulgent.

cloudiah
8 years ago

So, are all Western MRAs going to give up all their electronic toys and cars?

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

Boner pleasin’ is utilitarian because if you don’t please the boners they will rampage, so pleased boners reduced insurance premiums for everyone.

carswell
carswell
8 years ago

Quickly perusing his follow up column I came across this:

And by the way, I say I know what I do works because AVfM attracts support from educated, talented and brilliant women from all over the world. And I would wager my last dollar that all or most of them would tell you that this place is remarkable because it actually is an environment where women are treated as equals. No lip service, just action.

and haven’t stopped laughing long enough to formulate an appropriate response.

howardbann1ster
8 years ago

Video games and comic books are utilitarian?

Or does he recognize those aren’t man-only zones?

….

No, he just wasn’t thinking when he said it’s all utilitarian.

pecunium
8 years ago

So it really is a all about the Scented Fucking Candles!!!!!!!

cloudiah
8 years ago

Another comment on the 2nd installment — this one made me crack up, but it is apparently serious:

I saw one of those little “meme” joke things picturing Lucy gazing pleadingly at Ricky, arms crossed forbiddingly across his chest with the title reading “Ricky needed to lighten up”.

Well. Ricky lightened up.

Mountainous credit card debt, almost non existent savings, foreclosures, an car loads the size of mortgage payments.

UNHEARD stuff in Ricky Richardo’s Father Knows Beaver Cleaver Best days.

Lucy sank the ship and screwed the pooch with her scheming and scamming as soon as Ricky “lightened up” and quit “oppressing” her into behaving like a responsible adult.

America would probably be better off today if it had been I Love Ricky instead of I Love Lucy.

themisanthropicmuse
8 years ago

Yup, only women by things out of vanity. Males never buy themselves expensive suits, Rolex watches or get costly tattoos.

pillowinhell
pillowinhell
8 years ago

I’d suggest video games, since in Elams world only men play them. Now there’s a massive industry for you, and contributes to world wide pollution, exploitation of labor and wars to get the raw materials to buy the machines to play on. Same with, oh I dunno, the lastest computer gadets, cell phones, stereo equipment, televisions etc…

Also, fast cars, fancy homes to show off status in, expensive hot lable clothing, mens personal hygeine products, clothing in general (not many men willingly own only three sets of clothes) the fresh foods eaten in WINTER imorted from around the world, in fact just about anything you own which you didn’t make yourself from raw materials you sourced in your own backyard.

Niktike
Niktike
8 years ago

And many of the things men do consume that might appear on the surface to be excessive are things that women size up and measure them by in the process of sexual selection.

Why does he think women spend so much time and money on hair, makeup, clothes, shoes, surgery, gym memberships, diet pills, etc.? It’s not because that stuff is fun…

pecunium
8 years ago

So much fail in that bit about truck-drivers. There are a lot of Hemet Drivers in the Army who are female. They haul loads that are a lot more difficult to maneuver than his, in conditions which makes the hauling to “mountain roads” look like a picnic.

Then there’s this gem: But let a woman get on the radio and ask for directions and suddenly every other driver out there is an atlas on wheels, and you won’t be able to hear one of them clearly because they are all trying to talk to her at the same time.

Um…no. The way common bands work whoever is talking owns the channel. If someone has a transmitter powerful enough to, “step on the freq” they get a not so polite letter from the FCC telling them 1: they had too much wattage, 2: they owe a fine†, 3: if they do it again they will lose their license.

Because the users of Common Band Radios depend on them, they are really good about reporting bad actors.

It goes further downhill from there

† I once found a citation my exe’s grandfather had gotten in the late 1970s. It was for $75, a non-trivial sum of money.

carswell
carswell
8 years ago

I’ve obviously been missing out on something. My daily moisturizer is somewhat lacking in a particular effective ingredient:

Comments and emails pointed to other things I left out, like the horrendous polluting impact from make-up production, skin creams made with human foreskins …

A commenter observes:

“Skin creams made with human foreskins.”

I’ll always feel the deepest anger over this one. They’ll cluck and moan over Female Genital Mutilation as they slather their anti-wrinkle cream made from my stolen foreskin all over their faces. It’s like a horror film.

A horror film indeed. I strongly suspect that’s where such a little factoid originated.

MKlein
MKlein
8 years ago

I agree with inurashii – how do these people go from whining about how terrible ugly women are, to complaining about women who “for some reason” feel like they need to buy whatever is necessary to look good to men?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Scented candles are more utilitarian than porn, so I declare women the winners!*

(If we’re going by the Elam view of gender, in which no man could possibly want a scented candle and no woman would ever want to watch porn.)

Also, foreskin cream is a fascinating new urban myth. Is the theory that the only reason circumcision is still a thing is because evil feminists want to harvest the foreskins to make ourselves look pretty (not for the utilitarian purpose of attracting a partner or anything, just because)?

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

Tell me that when I go to the poster thread, there’ll be one for foreskin facecream ….

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
8 years ago

Ah yes, and once again the West represents the whole world, or at least, stereotypes of relatively wealthy Western women’s lifestyles represent all women everywhere. Pardon me if I don’t really think that’s the case.

Elam’s another of those gifts that keep on giving; every time you think he’s shown what an ugly, hate-ridden character he is, he scrapes a bit more out of that barrel.

pecunium
8 years ago

Here, BTW, is a rundown on the, “foreskin facecream”

http://voices.yahoo.com/human-foreskins-big-business-cosmetics-201840.html

Biot
Biot
8 years ago

@pecunium: ah, yes, the sweet french vanilla smell of success!

Biot
Biot
8 years ago

I guess I should’ve specified that the above comment was in response to the “scented candles = misandry” post above. Because there could be NSFW and NSFM (Not Safe For Mind) implications considering where the comment is currently located.

Amused
8 years ago

Yup, only women by things out of vanity. Males never buy themselves expensive suits, Rolex watches or get costly tattoos.

Sports cars, boats, jets — a bunch of things that pollute far more than the face cream industry. But how clever he is to catch that with a claim that men only grudgingly fuck up the planet with their Hummers because women force them to. But no, it’s not like misogynists’ endless whining about how women over 25 don’t deserve to live, being so gross and old, has ever sent a woman running to buy Creme de la Mer.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
8 years ago

BIOT – don’t spoil it, I cracked up reading your comment! 😀 😀 😀

James
James
8 years ago

Four word refutation: video games and porn.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

if you don’t please the boners they will rampage

o.O … *sprints to door and locks deadbolt*

You don’t think the boners can open windows, do you? No fingers, after all. *hides under blankets*

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Boners = velociraptors?

cloudiah
8 years ago

@titianblue, your hopes have been answered…

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Truck balls.

Checkmate, Paul Elam.

sidestinkappleeye
8 years ago

CassandraSas—JBoners = velociraptors?

jurassic Pork?

carswell
carswell
8 years ago

Colour me sceptical on the foreskin face cream thing.

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

Let’s take a look at western women’s “deep connection” to the earth. I mean, outside the worldview of two latte lappers who were more likely than not completely clueless about how a single thing on the planet with a moving part works, including SUVs, one of which they climbed into after polishing off their caramel macchiatos.

Paul, you do realise, don’t you that
Understanding how engines work =/= “deep connection” to the earth

titianblue
titianblue
8 years ago

Oh, rats, blockquote fail!

tinyorc
8 years ago

In my house that I share with three guys, there are: four laptops, one desktop computer, two X-Boxes, a PS3, three wide-screen TVs, and literally hundreds of games and DVDs and Blu-Rays.

I own exactly one of those things.

Men truly do hunt the buffalo. Or something

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
8 years ago

Elam’s Rationalization Hamster must be really tired right now. Here, let me pitch in so it can rest:

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ryz6t/

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

Okay, this is OT, but I wanted to hear your take on this: I just read Mill’s “the Subjection of Women”. They claim that the origin of the patriarchy simply lies in the fact that men on average are physically stronger than women, and once upon a time it was pretty much accepted that might is right and the strong can therefore oppress the weak as they see fit. Then various norms and rationalisations were invented to defend patriarchy after people had stopped openly supporting the “might is right” idea. And then the patriarchy turned out to be a terribly stubborn institution for a whole variety of listed reasons.

Anyway, this theory can be contrasted with one I’ve seen in socialist media several times, which is that patriarchy is the fault of agriculture, and before agriculture there was perfect gender equality. I’ve seen three arguments presented for that view, which are
1. If you talk to hunter-gatherer people of today, they say that the genders have equal worth, although different roles.
2. Women’s work was and is important in hunter-gatherer societies, and therefore women had high status.
3. Before agriculture, people worshipped goddesses that we’ve found statues of.

I’m not an expert, so for all I know it COULD be the case that there were perfect gender equality before the invention of agriculture, but I don’t think arguments 1-3 does anything to prove this, because
1. all patriarchal societies say this
2. Have there ever been a society were women’s work WASN’T important; where women were worthless loads sitting on their arses all day (I mean in the real world, outside of MRM fantasies)?
3. This much I know from a couple of semesters of religion studies; there have been many patriarchal societies that worshipped strong female goddesses. The relationship between how one view goddesses and how women of flesh and blood are treated isn’t as straightforward as one might believe.

So I feel more convinced by the physical-strength theory, at least for the time being. I’m perfectly willing to change my mind if someone comes up with better arguments for the blame-agriculture-argument.

What do you think?

judgybitch
8 years ago

I kind of agree with Elam. I just got back from picking up some groceries at WalMart (the only place around here to get organic milk) and most of the store is taken up with utterly useless shit that women buy.

Why are there so many different colors and sizes of towels, for example? Who fucking cares? Women’s clothing? Why is there so much of it? The men’s clothing section is MAYBE a quarter of the size of the women’s. The shampoo aisle has 200 varieties for women and 4 for men. And the scented candles really are fucking ridiculous. Who buys that shit?

Oh wait. I know. Women.

Juu
Juu
8 years ago

Yeah sure, leather is mainly a byproduct of the meat industry, but there are animals who are only killed for their skin and their meat ends up as carcass meal or pet food, especially when they are used for luxury or high quality goods ( I once saw shoes that were made out of horse butt leather and you could only get one pair of shoes out of one horse – those were men’s shoes btw). And leather also neds tanning which involves chemicals that are bad for both workers and the environment.

Also the last time I checked the meat industry was responsible for a lot of pollution and destruction of nature. And what is the manly man food number one? Meat.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Again, in the ‘what the ever-loving f***?’ department. Please do not click that link if you are triggered by MRAs discussing rape fantasies and evo psych.

Tony
Tony
8 years ago

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I thought shampoo was unisex? Unless there’s some “Miss Staci’s Vulva Hair Conditioner” in stock somewhere. My dad buys Fructis Length & Strength in bulk. Should he stop?

Amused
8 years ago

Judgybitch: Instead of worrying about what other women are buying, I suggest you direct your attention to your own sins. By your own confession, you have “your” room in your husband’s house. In that room, there’s women’s shit, like pillows. Time for you to lose all that. Pillows are misandry and so is your room. Burn that shit today, and then fall down on your knees and beg your husband for forgiveness for ever buying them in the first place.

Also, I sure do hope you are using old-fashioned rags for your period, and wash them using soap that you make yourself. Anything else would be misandry.

pecunium
8 years ago

DvarDvärghundspossen: I’ve read lots of that, and a lot of it strikes me as wishful thinking, and a bit of Just-So Story blaming of modern society for the ills of the world/naturalistic fallacy (the idea that hunter-gatherers are “in a state of nature” and so are egalitarian in ways we who are,”insulated” from nature aren’t.

Also, the “Venus” statues, are statues. We have no idea what they are. They could have been idle whittling, as much as they might have been idol whittling. It’s also hard to say, “religion was female focused before agriculture”, when almost all religious groups have a pantheon; and the various hunter-gatherer societies we do have details for aren’t all that “women worshipping” in the deities they do have.

I lay that to the anthropologists (and non-anthropologists) who make such theories living inside a primarily monotheistic paradigm, which makes them think in terms of less than pantheistic gods. Esp. because a lot of the gods we do have evidence for (esp. the minor cult-figures) are/were very local. Some of them (kobolds, brownies, imps, nymphs, dryads, etc.) were really local… like, “this house/that tree” local.

That there were large cultic centers (such as those in Scandanavia, or Carthage, or Rome), gets mapped to the present ideas of large cultic centers (like Rome, Akshardham, Mecca, Meoto Iwa, etc) and so the idea that there was some sort of widespread orthodoxy gets projected back to the past.

I’m willing to accept that an agrarian/pastoral, as opposed to a hunting gathering, society is likely to have more division of labor, and a subsequent hogging of resources; and show more patriarchal structures, but it’s not a given of “agriculture” esp. as the examples I can think of which appear to be “matriarchal” (algonquin/iroquois tribes in the Northeastern US/Southeastern Canada), were mixed hunting/gathering/agricutlure groups. The Ohlone of the SF Bay were also a bit more egalitarian, but in neither case was the equality total; each group had it’s spheres of influence, and some were male, some were female.

Politics were incredibly complex; so much so that the Europeans were so lost they caused all sorts of troubles because they assumed the way things worked, “back home” was as least as sophisticated as Native Ways. This wasn’t true. The colonists often knew this, but the governors weren’t, and all sorts of stuff was screwed up as a result.

But I digress.

pecunium
8 years ago

I’ve been to a Walmart too. I’ve seen lots of things like Riding Mowers, and Electric Chain Saws, and rifles, and XBoxen, and Baseball Bats, and Footballs, and fishing poles, and tents, and cheap beer, and premade pizzas, and stuff, that men buy.

And (this will shock you…) I saw men buying scented candles. Men who appeared to be single.

Amused
8 years ago

Also, judgybitch, I realize for a woman to get an education is misandry, but do study a bit of economics. Pretty please? Buying stuff is what keeps economy going. Those scented fucking candles keep a lot of people employed and making money. Many of those people are men. I am certain you are convinced — without a doubt — that every chemist or engineer involved in making scented candles is a man. Therefore, when you scream that women shouldn’t buy scented candles, you are, in fact, demanding for all those men involved in making the product to lose their jobs. Shame on you! How dare you demand that women deprive men of their livelihood by not buying products that men make and sell? Misandrist bitch.

sidestinkappleeye
8 years ago

What exactly do rape fantasies have to do with men’s rights, is that not their focus?
Will the next NAACP meeting discuss the topic of white women that like to role play as the mistress of the manor and her sexy slave manservant?

cloudiah
8 years ago

Why are there so many different types and brands of video game consoles, for example? Who fucking cares? Computers? Sports cars? Big Mouth Billy Bass plaques? Truck nuts? Action figures? Comic books? Pool tables? Weirdly specific tools? Lawnmowers that you can ride around in and waste gas? Who buys that shit?

Oh wait. I know. Men.

FTFY, JB.

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