So over on MGTOWforums, the regulars are pondering the age-old question – should these committed women-avoiders deal with their continued desire to stick their penises in the women they’re allegedly avoiding by resorting to prostitutes?
In the midst of a lively discussion on the advantages of “going pro” over trying to pick up a “bar hog,” one regular by the nom de internet Xtc sets forth some thoughts that, for a moment at least, seem to transcend the usual MGTOW crudity and bitterness.
“I don’t think it’s really about sex,” he writes. “I think what a lot of people are looking for is love, respect, and intimacy – which you can’t buy.”
Why, that almost seems like an insight!
Alas, in his very next sentence he spoils the moment by returning to the standard MGTOW narrative of female perfidy:
I think what put me off women altogether was the realisation that you’ll NEVER get [love, respect, and intimacy] for real. It’s sad and sobering, but that’s the way it is.
Thinking that the attention of women validates you as a person collapses once you realise they are attracted to the worst qualities in the worst men.
Thinking that the attention of women equals affection, intimacy, or love – collapses once you realise they will leave you in a second if they sense any weakness or if a BBD [bigger better deal] comes along. Then you’ll realise that the meter was running all the time, whether this was clear at the time or not.
Women are like a bitter medicine that you force yourself to swallow because you believe it is doing you good. Once you realise it’s a quack remedy, and the whole thing is a scam, you’re free to spit it out and never partake again.
That leaves you with sex alone, which is really rather easy to come by.
If women really and truly are “attracted to the worst qualities of the worst men,” why aren’t they lining up at these dudes’ front doors?
“Oh, you’re on topic, more or less, it’s just that you’re also tedious, sexist, lacking in an appropriate sense of boundaries, and generally a pain in the ass.”
I am sexist? Can you point out to me where I have said I don’t support women’s suffrage, that I think males are physically, emotionally and mentally superior to women, and that I don’t believe women should have the same rights, freedoms and opportunities as men?
As far as being a pain in the ass, I’ll just take that as a concession on your part that you do not like and agree with my opinions, and instead of either ignoring me or debating why I am wrong, you instead have to resort to ad hominem attacks and assign to me positions and opinions I do not have. You’re welcome!
Or “on topic”, either. XD
Actually I’m all for people going off topic, as long as the derail is interesting. “Why oh why do women not want to marry the men who propose to them/stay in marriages that they aren’t happy in?”, however, is very boring. If someone wants to post that kind of thing they’re free to do so, but other people are also free to tell them how tedious they’re being.
Dude.
You don’t like it here.
It is making you angry.
If you want to be happier, stop doing things that make you unhappy.
Sorry, Bob, you don’t get to declare victory on the basis that someone doesn’t like you. I can definitely see why relationships might not be working out very well for you now, though!
You don’t get to define sexism in a way that suits you, either.
Don’t forget homophobic!
Maybe women initiate more divorces because they generally become less happy after marriage, whereas men become more happy after marriage. (No, I am not digging up the stats atm. Google is there for you.) This might be because the vast bulk of household work still falls on women, even in relationships where the male partner thinks he’s doing an equal amount of work. (Again, not looking up the stats right now.)
But clearly this disparity is the fault of those frivolous ladies.
“Your “women should shoulder the responsibility” is just another iteration of the idea that it’s up to women to make relationships work, that all the compromises must be ours, and that it’s unreasonable for us to see anything wrong with this scenario. Screw that, it’s been dumped on women for centuries. You may not realise this is what you’re saying, but it is.”
Men and women are 100 percent responsible for their 50 percent of a given relationship. I have never said the ultimate success or failure of a relationship is solely up to women to determine, and that they should stay in relationships no matter what. That’s not fair to ask of women and it’s patronizing and insulting to men.
The positions you complain about being “assigned” are the ones you held when you started commenting here, no matter how you try to fudge them now.
“Dude.
You don’t like it here.
It is making you angry.
If you want to be happier, stop doing things that make you unhappy.”
Actually, I’m perfectly calm. It’s the other posters that are generally resorting to ad hominem and getting upset.
And the goalposts sprint for Mars – or have we reached Jupiter?
@ katz
We can add “delusional” now, after the last comment. Napoleon triomphe!
(This will make no sense if you’ve never seen Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure.)
You said you want women to shoulder more of the responsibility for what you claim are failed relationships.
We. Already. Get. Lumped. With. That. Shit.
“I can definitely see why relationships might not be working out very well for you now, though!”
You don’t know anything about my personal life or the quality of the friendships, family relationships, working relationships and romantic relationships I have. Nice projection, though.
Estimated time to meltdown: 30 minutes. Even though he’s perfectly calm.
Seriously, Bob, you’re too late. The nominations for Troll of the Year are closed.
People who’re happy with the way their love life is going don’t post woe is the modern dating market comments, but nice try!
Scornful, rather than upset. You don’t seriously think we haven’t seen this sort of tedious nonsense before, do you?
“Maybe women initiate more divorces because they generally become less happy after marriage, whereas men become more happy after marriage. (No, I am not digging up the stats atm. Google is there for you.) This might be because the vast bulk of household work still falls on women, even in relationships where the male partner thinks he’s doing an equal amount of work. (Again, not looking up the stats right now.)
But clearly this disparity is the fault of those frivolous ladies.”
As I said earlier, women inititate most breakups and divorces. They are more likely to fall out of love and get bored. They cheat almost as much as men do. Relationships plainly exist mainly on women’s terms. Those are just facts. It would be bad in the long-term to force somebody to stay with you out of guilt, obligation, pity, or use manipulation to prevent them from leaving. You’ll both be miserable in the long term. The adult, mature thing to do is let somebody leave, regardless of their reasons. Having said that, given the current romantic terrain, why do you think these male subcultures exist? It’s because they see long-term relationships and romantic entanglements with women as too volatile and too risky. Too much is being risked for not enough gain.
You ultimately have to deal with people as individuals. There are good men and good women out there, and there are men and women out there that are not good relationship material. It should be very obvious why these male subcultures exist. It says something bad about both men and women.
“People who’re happy with the way their love life is going don’t post woe is the modern dating market comments, but nice try!”
I’ve had both good and bad experiences with women. They are people and there is a hell of a lot of complexity and room for individuality in that.
@ Hellkell: They think this is free therapy and dating advice instead of misogyny mocking.
You know, now that I think back, there quite a few previous trollz who went into a lot of detail about their lack of dating success (remembering the one who thought that the federal government owed him female bodies for dates).
I suspect it’s because they assume we’re all all women, so somehow they’re entitled to get our attention and advice.
And yet, amongst all the misogyny mocking, there’s actually quite a good deal of sympathy and even advice for many, until they flip over into total exquite dipshittery.
@Bob: If you don’t like what I post, ignore or run and tattle on me to the site administrator.
Silly Troll: we mock misogyny. That’s why this blog exists. I had great fun posting all the evidence to contradict your wild ass inanities and ignorant generalizations earlier–all of which I note you are totally ignoring!–but if you cross certain lines, then there may be a movement among the regulars to ask that you be put on moderation, or permanent moderation–but you’ve quite a ways to go before you qualify for the Hall o’Moderation.
We’re just critically evaluating the quality of your trolling–which really isn’t up to some of our Legendary Trollz. Troll harder/better, though apparently you’re too late to qualify for Troll of the Year.
@CassandraSays: Oh, you’re on topic, more or less, it’s just that you’re also tedious, sexist, lacking in an appropriate sense of boundaries, and generally a pain in the ass.
I agree, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Just out of interest, does anyone here (other than Bob) actually find that the people they know constantly bemoan the state of modern dating? I’ve heard complaints about dating being hard in certain specific geographical areas, but nobody I know seems to think that dating is bad in the modern era in general. Everyone I know seems happier with the way things are now than the way they would have been at any point in the past.
I don’t hang out with cranky reactionaries, though.
Assertions are not facts just because you say it’s so.
Any takers on how long it’ll take him to start telling us about all his girlfriends?
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