So over on MGTOWforums, the regulars are pondering the age-old question – should these committed women-avoiders deal with their continued desire to stick their penises in the women they’re allegedly avoiding by resorting to prostitutes?
In the midst of a lively discussion on the advantages of “going pro” over trying to pick up a “bar hog,” one regular by the nom de internet Xtc sets forth some thoughts that, for a moment at least, seem to transcend the usual MGTOW crudity and bitterness.
“I don’t think it’s really about sex,” he writes. “I think what a lot of people are looking for is love, respect, and intimacy – which you can’t buy.”
Why, that almost seems like an insight!
Alas, in his very next sentence he spoils the moment by returning to the standard MGTOW narrative of female perfidy:
I think what put me off women altogether was the realisation that you’ll NEVER get [love, respect, and intimacy] for real. It’s sad and sobering, but that’s the way it is.
Thinking that the attention of women validates you as a person collapses once you realise they are attracted to the worst qualities in the worst men.
Thinking that the attention of women equals affection, intimacy, or love – collapses once you realise they will leave you in a second if they sense any weakness or if a BBD [bigger better deal] comes along. Then you’ll realise that the meter was running all the time, whether this was clear at the time or not.
Women are like a bitter medicine that you force yourself to swallow because you believe it is doing you good. Once you realise it’s a quack remedy, and the whole thing is a scam, you’re free to spit it out and never partake again.
That leaves you with sex alone, which is really rather easy to come by.
If women really and truly are “attracted to the worst qualities of the worst men,” why aren’t they lining up at these dudes’ front doors?
*thanks!
Mumble mumble typing skill degenerating.
Grading question – can students submit their papers in electronic form now? If so, do you hand them back with comments in Track Changes?
I wonder if the days of receiving a printed paper back with actual words written on it by your teacher are numbered.
Translation ‘o Bob:
My original point is that I think women should shoulder some of the blame for why people in general seem to be so dissatisfied with the state of the dating scene, relationships in general, and that these men’s subcultures that have sprung up are a reactive response to how some women are conducting their romantic lives..
Well, you’re fucking bad at writing then, Bob, my man. Let me run this through a basic translation device I borrowed from Lieutenant Uhura:
Translation:
My original point….
…which never appeared in the walls of text I posted earlier but really I intended to say that it was just some bitch distracted me….
is that I think women should shoulder some of the blame
ENGTEACHBOT ACTIVATED: text does not show sign of thinking, only of regurgitating cliches…/END ENGTEACHBOT
for why people…
for why MEN…[AKA ONLY STRAIGHT CIS MEN APPARENTLY]
{NOTE: WOMEN are apparently NOT PEOPLE}
in general seem to be so dissatisfied
ALL the MEN are ALL dissatisfied because…MY ASS SAID SO…
with the state of the dating scene, relationships in general,
teh bitchez won’t sleep with me!…
and that these men’s subcultures that have sprung up are a reactive response to how some women are conducting their romantic lives.
…It’s all the bitchez’ fault, am I right dudebros? highfives all around! *belches* Let’s go down to HOOTERS! Our subculture will show the bitchez we don’t need them…
@CassandraSays: Grading question – can students submit their papers in electronic form now? If so, do you hand them back with comments in Track Changes?
I wonder if the days of receiving a printed paper back with actual words written on it by your teacher are numbered.
Well, I teach online, so yes, the papers are uploaded to a Dropbox; I download them; but my comments are in “review/markup” not “Track changes”–and usually fairly extensive ones.
But those are about specific comments on specific parts of a sentence or paragraph (think marginal comments in the olden days).
I also type an overview comment (and these days are experimenting with rubrics).
But you know, the words I type are my actual words–and since I’ve been teaching since 1980 (COFF COFF OLD), I can say that I much prefer the keyboarded electronic submissions and commenting: it’s HARD to write comments on thirty five drafts and keep the penmanship readable (and students these days, penmanship SO not taught).
Some people still do the hard copy paper and ink or pencil comments — but I haven’t for years. And think it’s an improvement, yay!
Yeah, my handwriting is horrible, and I type fast – it would have been much easier for me if I’d been able to submit papers online.
In my program (now over, hooray!), most professors preferred actual paper copies of assignments, and even when they had us submit them electronically, they would print them out and write their comments by hand.
I like the way Ithiliana does it better.
And by the way this discussion is more interesting & valuable than anything Bob has had to say on this thread.
Yanno, Bob, by the time you start claiming that it is the reader or listener’s responsibility to understand what you mean instead of what you say you have flown so many red flags that that one just hangs there, drooping and disconsolate.
I’ve always had lousy handwriting and was delighted when I could turn in typewritten papers instead. Wh do it the hard way when ou don’t have to?
(I predict Bob will be back shortly to complain that Ithiliana used bad language.)
(And he still won’t answer the Saudi Arabia question.)
I’m getting really bored with the trolls whose basic premise is that something didn’t work out the way they wanted in terms of relationships/jobs and this means the world in going to hell in a handbasket. Seriously, people, get some perspective. Also, if they want to have that conversation why not go to a space where people are actually complaining about the thing they want to argue about, or against? When you come into a conversation with the assumption that people agree with your basic premises (in this case, most people are unhappy with the state of modern dating), and they don’t, that’s never going to end well, and you’ll probably just bore/annoy the people who you’re talking to.
Cassandra: most reasonable people would go to a place where that’s the topic. But our trolls have such huge egos that they think we’re just DYING for them to tell us what’s what, as if we have haven’t heard their shit before.
Apparently troll originality is a thing of the past.
I mean, aren’t they embarrassed? I would be if my comments could basically be summarized as “my personal problems, let me show you them” and I was presenting that to an audience that was neither interested nor likely to be sympathetic.
They have no shame. They think this is free therapy and dating advice instead of misogyny mocking.
In that case, here is my dating advice – stop whining, nobody wants to date a whiner.
@ Amused
You summed up just what I was thinking. Our trolls do seem to be good at that part – taking an actual fact and only considering the interpretation that suits their own agenda.
Science fail, Bob.
This is a pretty funny website. If I don’t specifically state that I think rape is bad and should be illegal, I’m accused of being pro-rape. If I state that women are just as capable as men of being immature and lacking in integrity, and that this is part of a reason why these misogynistic subcultures unfortunately have arisen, then I’m accused of being a whiner soliciting dating advice from the people that populate the comment sections. Can somebody point out where I asked anybody here for dating advice?
If I make a comment about how straight men and women are hard-wired to seek each other out for sex and companionship, I am lambasted for being a homophobe that believes non-straight people are subhuman scum because I didn’t make the irrelevant and blindingly obvious observation that non-straight people tend to enjoy sex and companionship as well. This website is dedicated to mocking these male subculture. If I humbly try and explain why I think they exist, I am accused of not “posting on topic.”
If I post what I believe and try to engage in the give and take of debate, I am accused of not being able to handle criticism, when in fact I never complained about other posters stating their opinions and never begged or asked them to lay off me.
If I post that I think some men and women do not handle their romantic relationships in a mature and adult manner and hurt their partners needlessly because they overpromise and underdeliver, I am accused of trying to being the relationship police and enforce my moral code and modes of conduct on others. Apparently if I say I don’t like A or B, then according to others posters it necessary follows that I am trying to force others to not do A or B.
It’s pathetic.
Yep, Bob, your continued whining really is pretty pathetic.
“In that case, here is my dating advice – stop whining, nobody wants to date a whiner.”
I never asked you for dating advice and nothing I’ve posted here in a reasonable person’s mind would constitute soliciting dating advice. It’s been very enlightening and eye-opening how the posters here debate what they want to debate, not what other people necessarily post.
Me: “I support A. I think B is bad. I am unsure about C, I can see the pros and cons of C.”
Just about every other poster on here: “You didn’t say you are against M, N and Q. You are therefore pro-M, N and Q.”
Shaking my head.
“Yep, Bob, your continued whining really is pretty pathetic.”
Your continued inability to master basic reading comprehension is pathetic.
Bob, if you don’t like it here, go away.
Yeah, it really sucks when people like Bob aren’t allowed to create a conversation that’s all about what they want. Why must other people insist on having the conversation they want to have rather than the one Bob wants to have?
“Bob, if you don’t like it here, go away.”
If you don’t like what I post, ignore or run and tattle on me to the site administrator.
“Yeah, it really sucks when people like Bob aren’t allowed to create a conversation that’s all about what they want. Why must other people insist on having the conversation they want to have rather than the one Bob wants to have?”
This is a site that mocks and criticizes MRA, MGOTW and PUA subcultures. Why does it bother you that I post my opinions on these communities and yet complain that I am not posting “on topic?”
Oh, you’re on topic, more or less, it’s just that you’re also tedious, sexist, lacking in an appropriate sense of boundaries, and generally a pain in the ass.
Being a tedious whiner who thinks the conversation should be all about yourself is not “posting on tpoic.”
Then why the hell are you here if you don’t like the site? Did you bother reading any of the articles and comments before you started posting walls of text?
And if anything’s pathetic, it’s the whole marriage-was-hunky-dory line, ignoring the sheer inequities of it, ignoring that modern Judeo-Christian notions of marriage =/= all forms of marriage ever, talking as if marriage is the goal for every relationship (or should be – that whole “women refusing proposals” rubbish said nothing less), talking as if marital rape was almost nonexistent when it simply wasn’t acknowledged as such, and fuckingwell trying to blame women for what you think is so terrible about current relationships, as if blaming women is anything new. Yeah, so we’re not utterly dependent on having a man to have a home and food these days; we’re not (very generally speaking, and in the West) trapped by being unable to divorce or leave a wretched relationship; we actually get to own our own things and earn our own money without it becoming the property of our husbands. And surprise surprise, the dynamics of men’s and women’s relationships have changed with these things, but all you can see is that people aren’t staying till death us do part.
Tough bloody shit, Bob. Your “women should shoulder the responsibility” is just another iteration of the idea that it’s up to women to make relationships work, that all the compromises must be ours, and that it’s unreasonable for us to see anything wrong with this scenario. Screw that, it’s been dumped on women for centuries. You may not realise this is what you’re saying, but it is (and don’t pull the “your comprehension skills are lacking” line when you’ve been told several times already, by writing professionals, that it’s up to the writer to make their meaning clear).