So over on MGTOWforums, the regulars are pondering the age-old question – should these committed women-avoiders deal with their continued desire to stick their penises in the women they’re allegedly avoiding by resorting to prostitutes?
In the midst of a lively discussion on the advantages of “going pro” over trying to pick up a “bar hog,” one regular by the nom de internet Xtc sets forth some thoughts that, for a moment at least, seem to transcend the usual MGTOW crudity and bitterness.
“I don’t think it’s really about sex,” he writes. “I think what a lot of people are looking for is love, respect, and intimacy – which you can’t buy.”
Why, that almost seems like an insight!
Alas, in his very next sentence he spoils the moment by returning to the standard MGTOW narrative of female perfidy:
I think what put me off women altogether was the realisation that you’ll NEVER get [love, respect, and intimacy] for real. It’s sad and sobering, but that’s the way it is.
Thinking that the attention of women validates you as a person collapses once you realise they are attracted to the worst qualities in the worst men.
Thinking that the attention of women equals affection, intimacy, or love – collapses once you realise they will leave you in a second if they sense any weakness or if a BBD [bigger better deal] comes along. Then you’ll realise that the meter was running all the time, whether this was clear at the time or not.
Women are like a bitter medicine that you force yourself to swallow because you believe it is doing you good. Once you realise it’s a quack remedy, and the whole thing is a scam, you’re free to spit it out and never partake again.
That leaves you with sex alone, which is really rather easy to come by.
If women really and truly are “attracted to the worst qualities of the worst men,” why aren’t they lining up at these dudes’ front doors?
MGTOW is like the fad diet of the manosphere.
It doesn’t work, it’s bad for you, and it creates communities for these guys to talk about how obsessed they are with the thing they’re trying to give up.
TL;DR but loved the cats. ; )
Wait, the entire point of medicine is that it does you good (unless it’s expired or something). That is why it is medicine. If your medicine has fine print saying “THESE STATEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN EVALUATED BY THE FDA” on it, you have no one to blame but yourself when you take it and it does nothing.
Damn, I just implied that MRAs have reading comprehension. When will I learn?
For all this talk about spitting out and never partaking in the evils of women again, these MGTOW still have yet to GO.
I take it we’re still waiting on them to go their own way and leave the poor women they’ve been obsessing about alone.
I take it we’re still waiting on them to go their own way and leave the poor women they’ve been obsessing about alone.
Sorry for the double post, I’m on my phone.
Phone? Bah, everyone knows double posts are a side effect of bitter woman pills.
You get what you give.
Oi. I just…the non-logic…oi.
I don’t suppose it ever occurred to Mr. Xtc and others to perhaps examine how “respect” and “intimacy” actually function within their definition of love.
“love, respect, and intimacy”
Joo keep joosing those words. I do not think they mean what joo believe they mean.
I remember one of the sadder things I read on the manosphere was a lament that what he wanted was not sex but the simple touch of another person. Yet the idea that women might be good for anything or even just sex is so abhorrent to the other guys on this forum that he was shouted down which I think is unfair because very few people can go a lifetime without some kind of human physical contact.
MGTOW is just really fucking sad. I’d feel sorry for them if they weren’t so hateful.
These guys… seriously, you probably could find a sex worker willing to do postcoital cuddling as an extra. Although probably not with men who start frothing with misogynistic rage whenever they get within 50m of women.
But, but… I LIKE bitter stuff. The “bitter herbs” were always my favorite part of Seder meals, and Bitter Lemon’s a great drink….
I honestly feel bad for anyone who has this type of “I must be alone” attitude.
Some of these guys have been legitimately hurt…just the same as some women have been legitimately hurt in the same way. And I’ll agree that there are many mean/shallow/uncaring people out there. But why should past hurt automatically mean that you should expect it from everybody? That’s just irrational, and it means you reject the awesome individuality of your fellow humans.
Using their logic, I should have assumed that EVERY man is a emotional/sexual abuser, since I was hurt that way. Guess what? I’ve never thought that…because I also had male friends who are the complete opposite!
Brains; they’re for using 🙂
The thing is, he’s probably right. The women he tends to attract are attracted to the type of man he is. If he finds that disgusting, that’s a first step. Women who aren’t attracted to assholes will just not date him. It’s almost a tautology.
Some of these guys seem to assume the women they date are a good sample to assess women in general.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
CWS: Actually, there’s a club in Japan for that. They actually don’t do anything explicitly sexual–it’s just for cuddling. http://en.rocketnews24.com/2012/09/28/japans-first-cuddle-cafe-lets-you-sleep-with-a-stranger-for-80hr/ What’s more, the U.S. apparently did it first: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/jackie-samuel-professional-_n_1680428.html
Oh, so close. He realizes that having a girlfriend would not magically fix all his problems and give his life meaning. But instead of concluding, “There’s more to life than romantic relationships, and ultimately my life is my own to lead,” he concludes, “Women should work harder to magically fix my problems and give my life meaning! That they haven’t done this makes them evil! Also scary! But so wickedly attractive!”
That is not how you Go Your Own Way, guys.
Professional snuggling. I have found my true calling! 😀
You could start the UK branch, CWS!
But but but… I thought cuddling and non-sexual intimacy was icky woman stuff! And no Real Man ™ likes icky women stuff!
Nice boys swallow.
Actually, it probably wouldn’t work with me. Whilst I’m ok with being touched by strangers following my permission, I would be very choosy about those strangers and I don’t know if I’d have that luxury.
Also if I’m touched wrong I start twitching and flailing. But apart from that it seems like an awesome idea. I do like cuddles. I would like to get all my friends onto one king bed and have a mass snugglepile.
you should totally throw a cuddle-puddle party and invite only people you feel cuddly enough towards! (friends of my friends throw these, and they double as good practice for politely articulating/agreeing to boundaries)