On his newish blog Return of Kings, pickup-guru-turned-philosopher Roosh V has come up with yet another way to justify his creepy obsession with women a lot younger than his hairy self: he compares them with loaves of bread.
When a loaf comes out of the oven (puberty), it’s warm and delicious. You can’t help but stuff yourself. (18-24 years old)
When you leave the loaf out, it gets a little hard. You have to heat it up with a toaster first, but it still won’t taste fresh. (25-29 years old)
If you leave the bread out for too long, mold develops. You can cut away the mold, toast the bread, and still be able to eat it, but you won’t enjoy it. You’d have to be starving. (30-34 years old)
If you leave it for even longer, mold takes over and completely destroys the bread. There is no way to excise the toxic portions. You must throw it away before the mold makes you sick. (35 and up)
The lesson in this? Live next to the bakery.
Well, that was creepy as fuck.
Also, he seems a bit confused about when puberty actually happens. Or he just doesn’t want to state outright that he’d really rather be “dating” 15 year olds.
Eww.
Hey, we could use the penicillin that grows on all the moldy old loaves (women over 35) to cure some of the STDs that Roosh himself is terrified of getting!
re pennicillin: The one that we use for the drug is a fortuitous accident. It’s all from a single strain that showed up in a petri dish. Relatives grow bread/citrus/I don’t know were else, but aren’t medically useful.
Cassandra: All I’ve ever needed to make greek/turkish/armenian/bosnian/etc. coffee is a small pot, the stove, and the patience to use a low fire.
If you get the right pot, and set the edge on the fire (not the whole pot) you should have success.
This is a good point.
There is a difference, though, between “I am attracted to this totally awesome person with whom I have a healthy, great relationship, and oh by the way they are younger than me by 15 years” and “I will only fuck hot teenage sluts, because all those older bitches are too ugly to fuck and they’re probably feminists anyway so they might actually KNOW what good sex feels like, also I’m approaching forty and I like pubescent girls”.
There’s a bit of social stigma with the former, which is bleh, but as far as I know no one here is objecting to that kind of relationship. It’s the latter that’s getting mocked, and rightfully so.
So as long as we’re talking about age differences, what’s everyone’s thought on the half your age plus seven rule?
vaguelyhumanoid: Roosh V is a completely horrible person and you’re right that his attitude is very disturbing. However, you shouldn’t encourage the stigmatization of sexual relations between people of differing ages, which is parochial and repressive.
Local examples please.
There are a number of people here who have relationships with people who are more than 10, even as much as 20 (I think) years different in age from their partners.
What we do tend to think is that larger age gaps, esp. with a very young partner, leads to power imbalances which can be unhealthy. We also tend to think PUA exploit the inexperience of younger women.
Which is a far cry from sigmatising all such relationships.
Diogenes the Naïf: Hehe, thats right. Didn’t want to bother looking up the name of the play though.
Well, you could have just read the comments which already mentioned it.
whataboutthemoonz: I don’t really like it. One, I’m not so fond of mechanistic solutions to questions of individual behavior, two it makes a really handy stick to actually stigmatise people.
From personal experience it’s not been all that helpful. When I was 33 I was seeing someone who was 21. We were together for 10 years. When I was in my later teens I was seeing women who were in their very late 20/early 30s. It worked fairly well; in the main.
I do think, as a mental rule of thumb it’s a bit handy in the reverse. Someone who is old enough that the rule “ought” to kick in should cause the younger person to look at the relationship and see what the actual basis is, and what it is the older person seems to be getting out of it.
@magpie
That’s… how we normally make coffee. No? I mean, ok, we don’t boil it 5 times, but 2-3 is the norm, at least in my house. Granted, I don’t drink coffee, but the rest of my family does. And of course, you make it in this baby.
In the debate over whether it’s worse to like dance-pop, which is not authentic enough, or rock, which is not gay, ethnic, or female enough, you’ve forgotten once again about classical music, which is at once gayer than disco and more deserving of being snobbish about than rock is.
Ice, that’s an ibrik.
In Bulgaria, we used them to do the initial boiling, and then decanted the brew into a little ceramic jug before pouring into cups, so the sludge would be left behind. Some people used to cook the sugar in, but the authentic mode of drinking it was through a hard-milled sugar cube. You can’t get those here. Domino Dots just crumble. A hard butterscotch candy is a tolerably good substitute.
That sounds delicious. I’ll have to remember that the next time I visit my husband’s aunt. Do you put the sugar cube/butterscotch in the cup, or straight in your mouth?
I suppose it’s vaguely useful as a guideline for when both parties (and the people around them) should make a point of looking at at the individual relationship and making sure it’s not unhealthy for one or both parties. It’s less useful as a hard-and-fast rule. (I also think one should make sure all relationships are healthy and non-exploitative, but I don’t think there’s much doubt that, given a random relationship between a 35-year-old and a 37-year-old and a random relationship between an 18-year-old and a 37-year-old, the latter is more likely to be exploitative.)
That said, I think your distinction is the critical one – there’s a world of difference between “I am dating this person, who happens to be fifteen years younger than me” and “I am dating this person because they are fifteen years younger than me.”
I hate to interrupt a coffee discussion (Yum!), but I can’t stop thinking about the bread and wine metaphors for men and women leading to sex being some sort of pagany Eucharist. Of course, that brings me to the more Christian Patriarchy MRAs (my favorites) and how putting contraception into the sex-Eucharist might actually stop Jesus from showing up or something, and I may have just found some way of uniting the disparate groups! They make some sense together if you squint hard.
(I’ve commented like twice before, but offline stuff keeps coming up, mostly something either constant-fibro-pain-related or medication-related, and so I post and disappear. I’m hoping this time will be different as I’ve been reading y’all for over a year and feel like you are all my friends, but I’m not yours, if that makes sense. I used to post on Pandagon as Atheist, A Feminist and posted once as that here in case I know anyone from that, but chose this as being more topical. I like the idea of being just “Some Gal”. Anyway, hi!)
Hi!
Oh look, another one who hasn’t eaten a pussy in fourteen years.
Fitzy, the classic is to hold it between your teeth, but if you have a small mouth or an overbite, it works just as well to press it against the upper teeth with the tongue.
Cuban coffee can be drunk the same way with half a tablet of Ambajador chocolate, and you can do a Hell of a workout after. I follow such a swig with a bench situp for each of my LXIX years + 1, and a whole chocolate tablet with some brushcutting with a machete, besides. Not a bad performance for such moldy bread.
Owing to the interjection of “pussy” before my post, I want to make clear that “it” refers to caramel candy. I never try to carry kittens between my teeth.
But that’s the normal way to carry kittens!
Lysistrata was a comedy, not a documentary. The humor came not only from dick jokes but from the women’s own wavering; Lysistrata herself spends a lot of time exhorting the women not to give in to their desire to have sex with their husbands.
Re: Lysistrata, I believe it was also written with the cultural assumption of women having more base, sexual natures, while men were more rational and advanced. So some of the comedy was due to the hilarious concept of women organizing to abstain from sex. Whereas now we have the idea of woman as lust-free gatekeeper, so of course women could arrange a sex boycott, what’s the big deal?
Re: ages, my father’s boyfriend is actually younger than my boyfriend. (My relationship: 12 year difference. Dad’s relationship: 28 year difference.) I think once you reach a certain age, it just stops mattering so much, because the power differentials aren’t there. I mean, absent things like big wealth disparities, a 70-year-old isn’t really in a privileged position relative to someone in their early 40s.
Re women as gatekeepers: I just saw the remake of Fright Night (haven’t seen the original), and I thought it was pretty refreshing that it’s the hero’s girlfriend who suggests that they have sex. Nice change from the usual “horny teenage boy keeps pushing his gatekeeping girlfriend for sex”.
And when she’s suggested this, he starts to act all weird and nervous. This is actually due to him having just found out that his neighbour is a vampire, but his girlfriend thinks it’s because he doesn’t feel ready to have sex, and she’s cool about that too, and is like “It’s okay, we don’t have to do it if you don’t feel like it” or something.
(And then he keeps acting weirder and weirder, she finally thinks he doesn’t want to be with her at all and walks out all pissed off, and then she too finds out about the vampire thing, and there’s all kinds of vampire stuff and fighting happening, and eventually when the evil vampire has been killed off and everything has calmed down they DO finally have sex.)
True that once both are full-grown, it should matter less psychologically, but if it’s to be a marriage or otherwise long-term, the elder should realize the younger may not be ready to settle into a routine just because the elder has been there/done that, and the younger needs to look at the possibility that the elder may die or be disabled before the union has lasted long.
On the age difference, I would like to ask how people here feel about something. My boss (who is a couple of days away from being 71) is currently pursuing a 17 year old girl for sex, and believes that there’s nothing wrong with pursuing underage girls for sex. This was perfectly OK in the world that I come from, but I thought it was not OK in this world, so I asked someone (older female advisor) about it, and she told me that, while it’s illegal for adult males to pursue underage females to have sex with, it is the norm that adult males want underage females (so far, I’m pretty much in agreement with her) and that the law is stupid and that ethically, there is nothing wrong with a 71 year old man pursuing a young girl as long as she has hit puberty. This last bit is bothering me, since I thought that (outside of the MRA and associated worlds) this was not the common way of thinking here. Do people here feel that the whole “if there’s grass on the field, play ball” is ethically ok or not?
There’s way too much of a power imbalance, IMO. Just because the body has developed, doesn’t mean the mind and emotions have caught up.
I would be so grossed out if I were that 17 year old being pursued by a 71 year old. I didn’t date significantly older men until I was almost 30.
Rahu, many people would look askance. I have to wonder what he sees in a seventeen year old. Its not uncommon for people to admire a much younger persons looks, but to pursue a relationship with another person who is not an adult yet, somethings not right.
And sure, certain subcultures of Christian thinking may not have a problem with a fifty year span between a husband and wife, but then again, those same subcultures don’t see women as anything other than children.