On his newish blog Return of Kings, pickup-guru-turned-philosopher Roosh V has come up with yet another way to justify his creepy obsession with women a lot younger than his hairy self: he compares them with loaves of bread.
When a loaf comes out of the oven (puberty), it’s warm and delicious. You can’t help but stuff yourself. (18-24 years old)
When you leave the loaf out, it gets a little hard. You have to heat it up with a toaster first, but it still won’t taste fresh. (25-29 years old)
If you leave the bread out for too long, mold develops. You can cut away the mold, toast the bread, and still be able to eat it, but you won’t enjoy it. You’d have to be starving. (30-34 years old)
If you leave it for even longer, mold takes over and completely destroys the bread. There is no way to excise the toxic portions. You must throw it away before the mold makes you sick. (35 and up)
The lesson in this? Live next to the bakery.
Well, that was creepy as fuck.
Also, he seems a bit confused about when puberty actually happens. Or he just doesn’t want to state outright that he’d really rather be “dating” 15 year olds.
Eww.
Good night, reymohammed, that’s eighteen million kinds of fucked up. Why would you spew that kind of violent threat ANYWHERE, much less here.
Reymohammed, what bothers me is not so much that you said a fucked up thing, because most of us are capable of saying fucked up things in the heat of the moment, but that when others pointed out to you how fucked up it was, you doubled down on it.
Well, I wasn’t expecting this thread to lead to me wanting to keep my legs firmly crossed for the rest of my life due to the absence of our regular trolls, but I guess there’s a nasty new surprise around every corner.
@ Rahu
I don’t want to be rude in the least, but maybe a few people on here have trouble believing your story 100 % because it’s just so shocking, frankly. Did you have so little contact with the outside world that you thought the attitude ‘a man can go after a girl of any age’ is prevalent? Wow. Did you go to public school? Can I ask how long ago this was, and when you ‘got out’? (rude questions, again, I know) I’m not saying I don’t believe you, really, I’m just curious.
I know that feeling about questioning one’s own beliefs, though. The more I read MRA and even regular conservative blogs, the more I realise that the beliefs I took for granted are not, in fact, taken for granted by everyone- not by a long shot. I find myself questioning things I deeply believe. But in the end, it shouldn’t matter what the majority of people believe. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong.
Yeah, and I get hit on by old men all the time. In fact, I get almost exclusively hit on by old men, younger ones don’t seem to like me. Some of them will even admit they are married, and the last one I met was telling me about his granddaughter who was the same age as me without even a hint of shame. I wouldn’t have anything against going out with someone older, but I’m not attracted to most people over the age of about 35. This has only happened in the last couple of years, though (I am 24). Most older men don’t hit on teenagers. Also, from talking to them, most of them believe rape or other kinds of sexual coercion to be wrong (even if ‘she was really drunk’ doesn’t count), so I’m pretty sure most of them are not MRA-level bad (small comfort, I know).
WOW! I understand completely being frustrated by women who speak in ways that hurt their own sex but DAMN!!!! That was… wow.
reymohammed, not cool at all. I deleted the comment.
@reymohammed, Threats of sexual violence? Totally unacceptable. Fuck right the hell off.
Thanks, David. There’s at least one comment quoting it that you might want to redact.
Or more paraphrasing than quoting, but still possibly triggering… I should read more carefully so I don’t have to post multiple messages.
Wow, that was upsetting out of nowhere.
For what it’s worth, I found emilygoddess’s comment before rey’s and didn’t find it upsetting. It’s here http://manboobz.com/2012/11/23/innovative-new-bread-metaphor-explains-why-most-women-are-stale-and-moldy/comment-page-4/#comment-223659 though, if you want to delete it, David.
@Carleyblue – thanks for the reply. Yes, I understand that many people will not believe me. That’s fine. For the record, I am a very truthful person in general and have always (and will always) tell the truth here, but again, if someone doesn’t want to believe me, that is their right and I understand. And you’re not being rude. 🙂
Yes, I had very little contact with other people while I was growing up. My father kept us pretty isolated and we were constantly moving, so I had very little knowledge about things that seem pretty basic to others. (My therapist is particularly fascinated by the fact that I’d never heard of Michael Jackson until recently.) For a man’s right to pursue anyone, it was my father’s firm belief, he taught me everyone felt that, and I believed him. I did go to a couple of public schools – my father would try to keep me out of them, and wherever we moved, there would often be a furious argument via letters between the school authorities (and other authorities) and my father, once they found out I existed. This was several years ago. I left the family and went to live on my own a long way away. I pretty much kept myself as isolated as I could, until just under a year ago, when a very close friend died, and another close friend (they both knew my past – most people don’t and I am SO staying anonymous on the internet) – this other friend pushed me into therapy, where I started talking. I don’t remember when I found this site, but I think I was lurking here about four months before the first posting.
Thank you for telling me about questioning your beliefs – yes, that is exactly how it is. And thank you, so much, for telling me about the men you’ve met – it is really nice to hear about men “out there” who are good. 🙂
I am about to go to sleep, so I apologize if you reply and I don’t answer until tomorrow. Good night, everyone!
It’s one she made @ 8:50 paraphrasing the original comment — and just to be clear I think she is blameless in this.
Glad I missed whatever the fuck just happened.
Cloudiah, I missed that one.
Rahu, thanks for being honest about your upbringing. You never know who is lurking who could benefit from your story.
Rahu – my Dad was sort of like that, but didn’t say it so bluntly, usually. If it wasn’t for my Mum and her sister, I would have believed that stuff, too. I went to public schools, sunday school and Brownies, but I feel I only picked up the idea that women are people from Mum and Aunty, at least till I was about 14. It’s weird.
@Everyone
Thanks for answering my other question (about how MRAs can have so many “ideas” on women + viginity + value). I realize that part of it really IS just that different people have different opinions…but it obviously wasn’t the case for everything I heard. After all, I’d read completely opposite comments written by the same poster. So it really does seem that it’s a little of the “herd mentality” at work there…people are willing to say one thing on one forum, and flip it on another.
Also, I’m going to apologize ahead of time and let everyone know that I work 55 hours a week, minimum. I’m not often able to get to a computer to respond…and I refuse to do it on company time. I will log on and respond whenever I can though. 🙂
That said, I am in AWE of how quick some of you can comment here! Lol
@cloudiah and everyone else, I’m sorry if anyone was triggered or upset by my paraphrase above. In the heat of the moment, it didn’t even occur to me that it might have that effect on someone, and I’m truly sorry if it did. I hope everyone is OK.
Sorry if I lost it. That kind of woman makes me blind mad, because that kind of woman does enormous harm generally and has done it to me personally. I have never done violence to a woman in my life, except that I smacked my mother’s face when she prevented me from leaving home at the last moment, and *then she smirked*. But the rage is there. I apologize for letting it out.
I’ve never been more happy to have missed a post here.
reymohammed: That there are federal/state/city laws (and perhaps county ordinances) is why I said, “several” .
I’m not a lawyer, and while I am well informed on the law, in general, my level of knowledge is more attuned to federal/California laws, and principles of Constitutional (with some specialised knowledge of libel laws, and Article Three of the Geneva Conventions of 1948/1972), so more detailed than that I didn’t want to be, because that sort of advice is tricky, even when one has better general knowledge than I do.
BTW, this Sorry, but the kind of woman who betrays women like that doesn’t deserve to be one.
Unacceptable. She may not have a worldview I like. I may hope that her ideal lifestyles stop being seen as the norm, but she is entitled to both her opinions (so long as she doesn’t try to force her ways of life on others), and she is most certainly a woman, and entitled to be one.
I’m actually at a loss as to what you mean… she should be a man? She should be, “unsexed” and treated as a neuter? She should be shunned by all people?
None of those is justified for her being reactionary.
…and, it seems I missed something even more fucked up. Not cool.
Sorry if I lost it. That kind of woman makes me blind mad, because that kind of woman does enormous harm generally and has done it to me personally. I have never done violence to a woman in my life,
I’d say, from the reactions I saw, you have done violence to a lot of women (and some men) right here. Implying that women who aren’t up to someone else’s standard aren’t women, and/or deserve abuse/punishment/rape, is violent.
@emilygoddess, No worries. I’ve done the same thing myself, so now I’m hyper aware.
@reymohammed, Even your apology reads like its straight out of the abuser manual. “She just made me so angry!” No, just no. At best, you probably shouldn’t participate here if bad people make you fly into a blind rage — bad people are kind of what this place is about.
I’m sorry but there’s just no way that anyone would come out with that particular explosion of rage unless they had some hardcore internalized misogyny going on. There are plenty of ways to express your anger towards a woman, even ways that involve violence, that aren’t quite so clearly taken from the misogynists-r-us handbook.
Listen, guys, since you can’t accept that a woman may have been so abusively treated by other women as to have rage issues, I will bid you adieu. Your own little hangups are infinitely more valid than mine. Farewell.
And isn’t it interesting how reymohammed doesn’t fly into a rape-and-violence rage at any of the male misogynists we see here – even the ones spewing their own rape/violence issues? Yeah, internalized misogyny is a hell of a drug.
Not that it would be OK if she’d aimed a similarly horrifying curse at a man and just changed the orifice in question. It is interesting that she never has, though.