Categories
a voice for men antifeminism armageddon ghosts I'm totally being sarcastic men who should not ever be with women ever MGTOW misogyny MRA oppressed men patriarchy your time will come

High on a hill was a lonely fem-herd

Over on A Voice for Men, the paramount meeting place for the brave warriors of the Leading Human Rights Movement of the 21st Century, a commenter calling himself Laddition has some uncharacteristically kind words to say about feminists (in this thread). Well, “kind” may not be the right word for it. But Laddition tells us that as awful as the awful feminists are, they’re not quite as bad as are … the rest of the world’s women. Sorry, the “rest of the fem-herd.” He explains:

 

 

 

Naturally, the readers of A Voice for Men greeted these pearls of wisdom with upvotes.

Oh, and while we’re on the topic, can someone explain GirlWritesWhat and TyphonBlue and the rest of AVFM’s little FemMRA, er, herd to me again? What exactly draws women to hang out with, and make 45 minute-long videos on the behalf of, dudes who not only hate women but who offer new proof of this hatred on a daily basis?

 

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

303 Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Historophilia
Historophilia
7 years ago

In terms of the MRA having some valid points they have recognised some issues, like the way family courts and divorce law works and the fact that there is not enough awareness of male victims of domestic violence or rape.

HOWEVER, having noticed these genuine and troubling issues they then head off in strange and batshit crazy directions and blame “TEH FEMINAZIS” or “TEH WYMMINZ” and “MYSANDREEEE” for all their problems rather than looking at the issues rationally.

They also don’t attempt to do anything about these issues, they haven’t tried raising money or lobbying governments to create more shelters for battered husbands and the closest they’ve got (in the UK) certainly to trying to change family law is to dress up as spiderman and climb the houses of parliament. Will someone please tell me what the fuck that is supposed to achieve?

There’s also the issue that they ignore any “mens issues” that aren’t directly relevant to straight, white, middle-class, cis men. They don’t care about the issues gay, queer or trans men face and they sure as hell don’t give two shits about what black or ethnic minority men face. No they’re worrying about the scary black men stealing “their” white women instead.

They aren’t interested in the educational underachievement and gang related violence that blights the lives of so many young men from ethnic minorities in the UK’s inner cities or the physical and verbal abuse and bullying that many young gay men face.

What do they really care about? TEH WYYMMMENZ WON’T LET ME PUT MY PENIS IN HER VAGINA! WOMEN CONTROL EVERYTHING. MYSANDRREEEE!

That and middle class white dudes being required by law to help pay for the upkeep of the children they willingly helped create. Cry me a freaking river.

But the black kid who grew up with not enough food on the table so he couldn’t concentrate in school and nowhere quiet at home to sit and do his homework, and the mother who was on drugs and the father who beat so he joined a gang because it felt like a real family?

No he’s a stupid violent thug who deserves everything he gets.

The MRM can take a running jump off a short pier. Fuck them.

raspberryberet13
7 years ago

Off immediate post’s topic, but for JB and other believers in the validity of MRM’s points:

http://www.shamelessmag.com/blog/2012/11/guest-post-why-mens-rights-groups-are-wrong/

Ithiliana
7 years ago

JB: Your claim that your mother abused you and your siblings (and your father) and was a feminist, therefore feminists are all X has been made here before (ad infinitum), and is one of those nifty fallacies whose names I cannot recall. It’s certainly overgeneralizing from insufficient evidence.

Let’s think about this: was your mother white?

Therefore all white women are abusive.

What political party/philosophy did she adhere to? Therefore everybody who is a member of that party is…

Was your mother a Christian? Therefore, all Christians are…(substitute any religion, or indeed agnostic or atheist).

And, basically, she was a woman, so therefore all women are….

Doesn’t work.

But really, your posts then degenerate into not even GOOD trolling, so I have high doubts about anything you’ve said.

It’s too bad trolls these days cannot take the time to come up with something original instead of repeating the same old, same old……

scrapemind
7 years ago

Typhonblue’s masculism and antifeminism can be explained as the result of a remarkable thing called heterosexuality. She cheers men and boos women because she finds men sexier than women, which blows people’s minds and makes them wonder what color the sky is in her world, which strengthens her resolve to be the lone dissenting voice in a world that screams “penises are yucky” and “girl on girl is hot.”

Historophilia
Historophilia
7 years ago

Scrapemind I am a heterosexual woman.

You know what this doesn’t make me do?

Hate women.

Karalora
7 years ago

Trolls are boring. Who wants to hear about the Christmas present I’m making my mom instead?

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
7 years ago

YES!

Karalora
7 years ago

Several months ago on a trip to Solvang, I found a little book of Celtic-style needlework patterns. So I’m cross-stitching one of them onto a hand towel–the kind that has a section of aida fabric built right in. It’s six nonspecific animals all woven together, in shades of blue, green, and brown.

My mom loves Celtic artwork and she loves these sorts of specialized home-decor things, so I know it’s a good choice. I just hope I can finish it in time!

MollyRen (@MollyRen)
7 years ago

“Several months ago on a trip to Solvang, I found a little book of Celtic-style needlework patterns.”

Every now and then I think about doing needlework and this might be the thing that tips me over into finally trying it.

Kakanian
Kakanian
7 years ago

>Typhonblue’s masculism and antifeminism can be explained as the result of a remarkable thing called heterosexuality.

So people are going to claim that she’s not real, she’s just in to get layed?

And talking about arts&crafts – those chinese chopper-style cooking knifes are pretty sweet. Or at least I haven’t found much to complain about, other than that the one I’ve bought has been sorta shoddily welded in some spots. But eh, it’s good enough for me right now.

cloudiah
7 years ago
Reply to  Karalora

Solvang in CA? Weird that they’re selling Celtic stuff there. (though the hand towel you’re making sounds very cool).

drst
drst
7 years ago

Typhonblue’s masculism and antifeminism can be explained as the result of a remarkable thing called heterosexuality patriarchy

Fixed that for you.

Carleyblue
Carleyblue
7 years ago

@ Rahu

I know you’re probably gone by now, but I have read a few of your posts, and I have to say I’m shocked. Shocked that people actually grew up in those kinds of families. I mean, I know that people like the ones we discuss (and worse) have children, but maybe there’s a part of me that’s still too naive to really ‘get it’. I grew up pretty sheltered, and always told myself that if someone taught their children bad things, the child could eventually grow up and get over it. Obviously you did, but I only now realise how hard it must be for some people, especially if they have the kind of personality that wants to please people all the time. Did your father actually call himself an MRA, and was he affiliated with any of the sites discussed here? Was this a while ago? I understand you likely won’t want to answer, that’s OK.

Karalora
7 years ago

@cloudiah

Yeah, that’s the place. I try to get up that way every few months or so. The town sells itself on the “more Danish than Denmark” thing (and wine tasting), but there are quite a few shops that really have nothing to do with either, including two or three needlework supply shops. I found the book at one of thos.

Karalora
7 years ago

*those

Damn sticky E key…

scrapemind
7 years ago

Heterosexuality is patriarchy, no? But this site is full of boring old liberal feminists who think that heterosexuality is a valid lifestyle and is just the way some people are, rather than fun radical feminists who entertain me by saying that heterosexuality can and should be abolished.

P.S. I realize that it might seem like bisexual erasure that I’m discussing the heterosexuality of Typhonblue, a bisexual woman, but I’m not going to pretend that the heterosexual desires of bisexuals are somehow “queer” (ugh) just because the subject of desire isn’t exclusively heterosexual. Bisexuals are both heterosexual and homosexual, rather than, as some bisexuals fancy themselves, neither heterosexual nor homosexual: That would be asexuality. Pansexual, omnisexual, polysexual, multisexual, sapiosexual, “queer”, et al., are made-up bullshit.

cloudiah
7 years ago
Reply to  Karalora

@Karalora, I haven’t been up there in years– I should go check it out!

Falconer
7 years ago

Man, I succumb to the siren song of Skyrim for a few hours last night and I miss the whole “feminism is TEH EBUL because DEBBIE FUCKING PEARL” meltdown.

This just isn’t a good day for me.

PsychoDan
7 years ago

Five internet bucks says that she’ll come back accusing this blog of doing that with the MRM. We’ll ask her to name a moderate MRA and the fail will spiral.

The funny thing is that she already did. She came here to chastise us for saying that MRAs hate women just because they hate feminism and a bunch of them hate women. But it’s totally cool to say that feminism is evil because her mom sucked.

Karalora
7 years ago

@cloudiah

Try the lunch buffet at the Red Viking. It’s all you can eat, just $14, and they have a great variety of pickles and meat pastes and things.

viola
7 years ago

Scrapemind: Kindly go fuck yourself. Masturbation is good clean fun and, unlike your scattershot approach to attention seeking, won’t waste anyone else’s time.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
7 years ago

I realize that it might seem like bisexual erasure that I’m discussing the heterosexuality of Typhonblue, a bisexual woman,

You say ‘bisexual erasure’, I say, ‘being a douche who severely needs to fall onto a gorse bush’.

lauralot89
7 years ago

Neither heterosexual nor homosexual is so not an apt description of what it means to be asexual that my brain hurts. Scrapemind: Fall in a well and starve there, and don’t talk about my sexuality any more, ‘kay thanks bye.

Out of curiosity, JB, since your mother was an EVIL feminist and your dad was the best ever, did your dad ever give you Hustlers and booze for a hard day’s work?

Melody
7 years ago

Wait: heterosexuality is patriarchy?

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
7 years ago

Heterosexuality is patriarchy, no?

No.

katz
7 years ago

Wow, this one has really imprinted on the idea that all feminists are lesbians, hasn’t he?

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
7 years ago

He probably has a few other stereotypes up his sleeves too: ugly, battleaxe, hairy, castration-happy, sluts, prudes, irrationally angry…

I never got the ‘feminists are lesbians’ thing. I mean, even if it was true that feminists wanted to oppress men, then it could mean that that women were pissed and vengeful about the centuries of male oppression of women. Or do these people believe that men in patriachal societies are all gay? 😛

katz
7 years ago

There actually can be a homoerotic aspect to extreme patriarch (no connection to normal gay people, of course). If a culture really, really devalues women, then being desirable to women, being respected by women, sexual conquest (ugh) of women, etc no longer has any value and men start getting substituted into those roles. Slacktivist fans know what I mean.

katz
7 years ago

*patriarchy

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
7 years ago

@Katz

Is this the whole “it’s manly if you top, and weak if you’re bottoming” thing that Greco-Roman cultures had?

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

I’m just going to juxtapose different statements by Judgybitch right here and imply absolutely nothing about JB being inconsistent.

Of course, she was a feminist.

No shit my mom doesn’t define feminism. The point is that feminism has put in place a system that allowed her to be so vile.

Kakanian
Kakanian
7 years ago

>Is this the whole “it’s manly if you top, and weak if you’re bottoming” thing that Greco-Roman cultures had?

Manly friendship between men wasn’t all that… friendly according to that late antique text I’ve read. It was certainly not about two men meeting as equals, which I guess is in line with the rest of the culture.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Out of curiosity, JB, since your mother was an EVIL feminist and your dad was the best ever, did your dad ever give you Hustlers and booze for a hard day’s work?

BAHAHAHAHA. *Gigglesnort*

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

@ kakanian

Cleavers kind of scare me, actually. Always feel like I’m about to lose a finger. I’ll happily acknowledge that they’re excellent multi-purpose cooking tools, but the fear of injury when one starts whacking things with them remains. I’ve settled for a nakiri instead, which serves the veggie-slicing purposes nicely without making me feel like a trip to the ER is imminent.

Meanwhile, Scrapemind is still trying to be clever and failing miserably.

Rahu
Rahu
7 years ago

@Carleyblue – Hi! I hope I’m not replying too late. Yes, my father did consider himself an MRA, although he didn’t use that term very often. He was not a computer person, so he was not on the sites we talk about here, although there’s a good chance that he knew many of the people who are on them. He died a few years ago, and I had left the family a couple of years before that, so this was a while ago. And I’m happy to answer most any questions. 🙂

Rahu
Rahu
7 years ago

@Scrapemind – thanks for introducing me to “sapiosexual” which I promptly looked up. Cool word. And I’m pretty sure it’s not “made-up bullshit” (nor are the others). Evolutionarily (is THAT a made-up word? I’m sure you get the meaning), the most distinctive change in humans is the exponentially large increase in brain size, leading me to think that not only is sapiosexual not made-up, it’s actually one of the most common types of person.

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

The main objection to “sapiosexual” I’ve heard is that it comes off a bit “I like people for their BRAINS and PERSONALITY, not just look for hot people like you other dirty promiscuous people!”

Nathan Hevenstone
7 years ago

The main objection to “sapiosexual” I’ve heard is that it comes off a bit “I like people for their BRAINS and PERSONALITY, not just look for hot people like you other dirty promiscuous people!”

That second half is added by others. I mean, I’m sure some people call themselves “sapiosexuals” just to be all hoity-toity n’ shit, like “ooh… look how deep I am…”, but I don’t think it’s the rule.

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

There’s definitely at least a small element of projection to that, yeah. Still doesn’t seem a particularly useful sexual category, but if people like it and identify with it people like it and identify with it.

Nathan Hevenstone
7 years ago

I mean… it makes it a lot easier than to answer the question “what kind of [insert gender here] are you attracted to” with a long spiel about how while looks are important to a point, intelligence is sexy.

Or maybe I’m just a fan of labels. Seriously… if I were to list out all the labels I identify with, it’d be one hell of a long, disorganized blog post…

I need to work on that (not the blog post; being more independent and “free from labels” or whatever label they give it these days :D)…

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Seconding lowquacks here. That particular label seems to imply that those other people, over there, just don’t care about anything other than looks, the unthinking brutes. It’s inherently judgy.

lowquacks
lowquacks
7 years ago

Well, either inherently judgy or so broadly applicable as to be almost meaningless.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Like, I guess there are people who would be OK with their sexual partner being literally mindless, but it’s not exactly a common thing.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I mean, “sapient” isn’t exactly setting the bar high in terms of intelligence.

katz
7 years ago

I guess there are people who would be OK with their sexual partner being literally mindless

And furry.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

So I actually really don’t like the term sapiosexual.

Here’s why.

Nathan Hevenstone
7 years ago

See, I just don’t think it’s judgy at all. I’m not sure how it has any inherent comment on anyone else without someone intentionally putting it there.

I’ll grant the broadly applicable thing… I could see how it could apply to most people.

Nathan Hevenstone
7 years ago

Actually inurashii, sapiophile does work better. I hadn’t thought about all that stuff about civil rights when first stumbling on the term. That post is a good one.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

Thanks. I stewed on it for a while before finally writing the damn response to the image, which was crazy popular by the time it floated my way.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

You really don’t see how a term that states that you’re only attracted to intelligent people implies that the people you’re not attracted to are kind of stupid (which they may or may not be – how do you know?), and that people who are attracted to them must be OK with stupidity?

Also, given that the way intelligence is perceived is often influenced by class, physical appearance, and a whole host of other things, it starts to get really dodgy really fast. I’ve seen far too many people automatically judge conventionally hot people, especially women, as unintelligent without even talking to them not to suspect that this term is going to be applied in less than kind ways. Could get even nastier when applied to people perceived to be working class.