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“As men, Force is the greatest weapon we have … We must use it,” says racist manosphere asshat.

More thoughts on the election from the Manosphere. These are from the comments section of Chateau Heartiste, in response to that little manifesto from Mark Minter we talked about the other day, and which Minter also posted at the Chateau.

Here John Salt suggests that “force” works better than voting.  And, oh yeah, he’s also as racist as Hitler.

Here Sidewinder offers some “optimism” for the future:

You’ll notice that no one there voices opposition to any of these sentiments.

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thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
8 years ago

Thanks 🙂 You can’t see but it’s cropped really closely on the other side so my naturally dark hair’s there, so it’s not all like ZOMGNEON.

katz
8 years ago

Yeah, I can see the brown a little. A few washes will make it more muted, too. But enjoy the brightness while it’s there! Mine is very very pale pastel now. Soon it will be plain white.

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

This is totally off topic but Katz, was it you I was talking to about hair dyeing the other day? I finally got round to doing mine. It is slightly brighter than I had anticipated, but will hopefully last more than a couple of weeks now.

Nice, Thenatfantastic!

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
8 years ago

Katz – I am doing, I’ve spent the past four or five months with bubblegum pink hair because I’ve been too lazy to dye it. And I hate pink.

Thanks Clairedammit 🙂

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

I think your hair is luminawesome. 😀

Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
8 years ago

“Dude, you’re seriously invoking Freud as an expert on Islam? lol”

Ha. Ha. No. He psychoanalysed the problematic transition of the ancient Semitic peoples from open worship of gods and goddesses to the exclusivistic worship of one Sugar Daddy.
It started with Moses. Was Freud wrong about that?

“It turns out they are mostly composed of normal people with a wide variety of opinions and attitudes about everything.”

Oh most definitely. I’m not talking about individuals here but about the basic tenent of Abrahamic monotheism. That there be only one god and all other gods are competitors of his attention and also false.

katz
8 years ago

Nat, when I did my hair red, I used a warmer red so it would fade out to orange and then yellow instead of pink.

Pickle, Freud was wrong about everything. He’s not an authority.

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

It’s because militarized fundamentalist Islam (as opposed to quiescent, pietistic groups like Sufis and Ismailis) represents to the manosphere a cultural unity and total mobilization of society for a unified goal that the West (writ large) hasn’t experienced since 1683, or, if one wants to extend it to the Russian Crimea, 1850. “Gates of Vienna” isn’t an anti-Jihad blog for nothing. One of the interesting things about some of the anti-Islamist manosphere is how it situates some relatively marginalized peoples like Jews, Poles, Ukrainians, and Cossacks as defenders of the Occident. (I realize that “Cossack” is more of a job description than a nationality in this context, but “Jews” in this context is also more a religion or a religious community than a nationality, at least until 1789.) It’s so spooky the way Khmelnitsky or 1944 never happened when we need to enlist everyone against Islamism.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Is Patak’s Mango Pickle our old friend Hindu?

Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
8 years ago

Eurosbra, “It’s because militarized fundamentalist Islam (as opposed to quiescent, pietistic groups like Sufis and Ismailis) ”

I’m afraid you’re thinking of post-modern new agers (that California Caravan of Whirling Dervishes, etc) with your idea of Sufis there, Euro. Brush up on some South Asian His-story (as in onefathergod’s story).

Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
8 years ago

“Pickle, Freud was wrong about everything. He’s not an authority.”

He’s not my authority. I’m just saying he wrote about it. And from the writing its hard to make out whether he thought Moses’s mythical monotheism was a good idea or not! At least from my reading it appeared he thought it was more progressive than religious freedom and multi-gods/multi-culturalism!

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Oh, I know the history, it’s just that with Twitter-length comments you can only compare and contrast everybody’s preferred vision of him/herself. And, um, well, how many Indian Muslims are there and how many Hindu Pakistanis? And, um, “Peccavi” and Hodson’s Horse and all that. And I should probably shut up now, as Israelis think we know enough about India and know all too little. One of the things I *do* know quite a bit about is Ottoman Palestine as a home for Bosniaks and Algerians and Berbers who left areas that came under Western colonial rule, and how the Ottomans began systematically treating Jerusalem Ashkenazim in ways that encouraged them to leave in the mid-to-late 1700s. If all the outliers took center stage for a bit we might get some nuance.

Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
8 years ago

Euro, my point is, monotheism itself is problematic and anti-religious freedom from its inception. And that inception would be the myth of Moses. One could argue Akhenaten’s Ra worship did as much cultural and religious damage but it didn’t so no one argues that.

This isn’t about Judaism vs Islam vs Christianity. I’m talking about monotheism itself.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

Sorry to interrupt this fascinating discussion about religion, but does anyone have any really good kitten or otter videos? My new medication is making me wacky and the Irish forced-birth thing is giving me a serious sad. A sad this big. *halfheartedly spreads out arms*

Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
8 years ago

” My new medication is making me wacky and the Irish forced-birth thing is giving me a serious sad.”

Whoa! Hold on there buddy! Did I miss something? What the hell is “Irish forced-birth”?!?!

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

And, um, well, how many Indian Muslims are there and how many Hindu Pakistanis?

I was just wondering this myself! I was chatting with someone this afternoon about my favorite subject, food, and we were talking about the differences between southern Indian food and that from the northern regions, and then the conversation drifted onto vegetarian Indian cuisine vs. non-vegetarian, and then this question came up.

So?

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
8 years ago

for Nepenthe

Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
8 years ago

“I was chatting with someone this afternoon about my favorite subject, food, and we were talking about the differences between southern Indian food and that from the northern regions, ”

One word: coconuts!

Eurosabra
Eurosabra
8 years ago

Banana leaves, and great things to do with fish and steam. And Goan and Cochin Jews in Israel, rapidly assimilating. There’s food here now, so brb.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Nepenthe, I’m sorry your day is crap. I don’t have kitty vids, but here’s a pic of my big baby Lilly (hope this works) http://imgur.com/hjEzp

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

@Student and hellkell

Kitteeeeeeeeeeeeeeees. 🙂

dualityheart
dualityheart
8 years ago

@skeptifem-

In my experience, the vocalizing and groaning and moaning during childbirth is not necessarily because it hurts more than anything ever (in my personal birthing experience, even with the epidural the first time, the pressure during the pushing stage was enough to make me groan and moan without being horribly painful), but it looks freaky as hell from the point of view of an outsider because we’re used to hiding pain except when it gets extreme (or when it’s being dramatized as insanely bad on TV/movies). I mean, there’s a reason I was so afraid to be loud during sex for a long time- moaning and groaning is a big no-no when you share a room with your sibling or have a snoopy parent, and anyway, when you’ve only seen people making that kind of noise in pain, it’s hard to associate it with pleasure.

So yeah. With my first labor, it was heavily managed- I was induced after holding them off for 42 weeks. I had back labor, the epidural (yaaaaay), and then pushed for 20 minutes with only a couple of stitches needed. But the baby was OP (face up), and 90% of the time, OP babies are automatic C-sections- so I dodged a bullet there, even though I was supposedly at a low intervention birthing center with midwives and stuff.

My second labor? I labored at home because I didn’t think it was “painful enough” to be “real” labor. Then when I got to the hospital (my insurance changed so no birthing center), I was at 9cm with a bulging bag of waters (not broken) and almost ready to start pushing. They couldn’t even get in an IV, and they were drawing blood between contractons. I had zero pain meds, it sucked a lot, but it wasn’t horribly painful, and after giving birth, it was immediately over- no pain beyond a bit of bleeding and a tiny amount of burning near the stitches. I used a lot of body movement and vocalization to manage the pain. I had zero outside “management” other than the OB lady massaging the perineum so it would not rip horribly during the birth and using her hands to guide the baby’s head down the birth canal, and the nurse helping me keep my breathing steady. In the end, being loud and moving my body around to deal with the pain was a coping technique, not necessarily an actual metric of my actual pain level. But I could see how to others, this would seem like a ridiculously horrible thing.

But yeah, the horror stories made me think that it would be far worse than it was even though I have always wanted to have children…and I can see people being put off of pregnancy and childbirth altogether if they look at the horror stories as gospel truth.

But no one should ever be forced to carry a pregnancy without their consent.

Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
8 years ago

“Banana leaves, and great things to do with fish and steam. And Goan and Cochin Jews in Israel, rapidly assimilating. There’s food here now, so brb.”

Are you a Southie? An Israeli? (both have hotties so whatever you say works for me 😉 …)

OK wait, Goan and Cochin Jews in Israel are rapidly assimilating to what, exactly?

Kim
Kim
8 years ago

OMG. I just agreed to foster a mum cat and her 3 week old kittens. I am excited and of course the first people I thought to share this news with was you kitten-loving manboobzers. 🙂 Expect lots of photos and videos to be shared over the next 8 weeks til they are big enough to be adopted.

katz
8 years ago

Euro, my point is, monotheism itself is problematic and anti-religious freedom from its inception.

And your point is wrong. Lots of people are monotheists and also believe in religious freedom. Case in point: Me and Pecunium. Disproof by counterexample. Further proof by counterexample: Polytheistic societies and non-theistic societies where other beliefs are suppressed.

Better explanation: People like to oppress other people. Religion can be a powerful tool. Ergo, where there is religion and there are people, people will use religion to oppress other people.

cloudiah
8 years ago

thenatfantastic now has thehairfantastic.
That story out of Ireland made me so sad/angry. Sangry.
I DEFENDED MY THESIS TODAY AND I PASSED. Ahem. Didn’t mean to shout.
And this is for Nepenthe:

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

“I was chatting with someone this afternoon about my favorite subject, food, and we were talking about the differences between southern Indian food and that from the northern regions, ”

One word: coconuts!

Thanks, but that wasn’t the question. The question was: How many Indian Muslims are there and how many Hindu Pakistanis? Since y’all brought it up.

cloudiah
8 years ago

MOAR OTTERZ

Ugh
Ugh
8 years ago

There are about 160 million Muslims in India and about 3 million Hindu people in Pakistan.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Buster and Hazel as kitties. I kept telling my friends I wasn’t ready to adopt any more cats because I was still sad about my last two dying kind of one right after another, and then my friend sent me this picture and I believe my verbatim response was “Where do I go to pick them up?”

Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
Patak's Mango Pickle, Wah!
8 years ago

“And your point is wrong. Lots of people are monotheists and also believe in religious freedom. Case in point: Me and Pecunium. Disproof by counterexample. Further proof by counterexample: Polytheistic societies and non-theistic societies where other beliefs are suppressed.

Better explanation: People like to oppress other people. Religion can be a powerful tool. Ergo, where there is religion and there are people, people will use religion to oppress other people.”

Katz, I appreciate your comments but you are missing the forest for the trees. I’m not talking about individuals here. I’m taking about the foundational premise of monotheism; one god pitted against other gods and the resultant loss of religions and cultures because of that.

What was wrong with the way the ancient tribes of the Middle East were worshipping? Why was worshipping a plethora of gods and goddesses seen as problematic by Moses?

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

Ugh, thank you. Have a hedgehog video:

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

Huh, where did that https come from?

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago
hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago
clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

Mimi!

Here’s Nilla telling me I’m not allowed to take my shorts with me on vacation this summer.

http://i.imgur.com/70US1.jpg

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

I DEFENDED MY THESIS TODAY AND I PASSED.

Yay, cloudiah! Congratulations! Not that we doubted you for a minute.

SHOUTING IS QUITE APPROPRIATE.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

YAY, CLOUDIAH!!! I knew you’d do it!

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Nilla looks very adamant about you not taking your shorts.

estraven
estraven
8 years ago

Joined the conversation later re: the political compass, but I like to think of myself as a Chaotic Good.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
8 years ago

That Irish forced birth (is it a stretch to call it manslaughter? Negligent homicide?) is so horrible. Thank you everyone for the wonderful furry critter pics.

Cloudiah, CONGRATULATIONS!

Here’s Miss Maddie testing my Walmart bag. Because it wouldn’t be safe to use an overnight bag that hadn’t been kitty tested.

Falconer
8 years ago

PET ALL THE FUZZIES

If any of y’alls cats go missing, I wasn’t there and I don’t know what happened to them. Now excuse me, I gotta load all this kitten chow in my trunk.

@cloudiah: Congrats! I guess it’s DOCTOR cloudiah now.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
The Kittehs' Unpaid Help
8 years ago

Just make sure there’s indoor food for Maddie the Rotund, y’hear? 😉

Myoo
Myoo
8 years ago

Congratulations on your thesis, Cloudiah.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Manboobzers have the cutest kitties! And thanks all, it’s quite a relief — but just a Masters, no PhD.

Yay for furry purr-machines!

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

YAY DR. CLOUDIAH! YAY KITTEHS! YAY OTTERS! YAY HEDGEPEEEGS! YAY SHOUTING!

The world sucks significantly less. Imma go to bed and see if it sucks even more less in the morning.

Also, that second otter is doing some intense contact juggling. I’m impressed.

clairedammit
clairedammit
8 years ago

A friend just posted this on Facebook:

The recovery of CHEETO!

drst
drst
8 years ago

YAY CLOUDIAH!

drst
drst
8 years ago

Patak, you’re overgeneralizing and being absurdly reductivist in your pedantic ramblings about monotheism and religious oppression, linking the two based on little more than your Wikipedia-level understanding of the issues and willfully ignoring the realities of history of both monotheistic cultures and polytheistic cultures. And you’re the one who cited Freud as if it proved anything, so don’t whine about how you weren’t citing Freud.